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Favorite vapor barrier material? (post #99842)

JohnT8 on Mon, 11/21/2005 - 05:17
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Just curious what everyone's favorite vapor barrier material/brand was (in crawlspace or under slabs, etc)?   Everyone just using 6mil polyethylene?  I'm still considering trying Tu-Tuff for my current project.  Or maybe since I've never used Tu-Tuff, I might put down the regular 6 mil poly first and then Tu-Tuff.


 


 


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by AndyEngel in reply to JohnT8 [original] on Mon, 11/21/2005 - 14:16

Tu-Tuf is expensive, but incredibly durable. You can't tear it by hand. It's got surprising UV resistance. I 've used a couple of pieces outside to cover up firewood piles for six years. You still can't tear it by hand. Regular 6 mil would be dust by now. Under a slab, I'd go with 6 mil to save money. But if the plan was to leave it exposed, as in a crawlspace, Tu-Tuf would be my only choice.


Andy


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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/21/2005 - 17:40

Is that Sto-Cote who makes that?  Can't seem to find a website for them.  Keep running into a NiceRink website.  


I've seen multiple types of Tu-Tuf/Tuff listed (like Tu-Tuff, Tu-Tuf 4, Tu-Tuf XF).  Any idea what is the preferred item in a crawlspace?  Did you get your via mail order or locally?


jt8


"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan

jt8

Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

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by AndyEngel in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/21/2005 - 18:27

Good question. The stuff I've used is made by Sto Products and was just referred to as Tu-Tuf. Two totally terriffic Tu-Tuff sources are www.efi.org and Resource Conservation Technology in Baltimore.

Andy Engel


Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.


Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig


None of this matters in geological time.

Andy Engel

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

None of this matters in geological time.

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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/21/2005 - 20:36

Yeah, that site sells "4" and "XF". The 4 is more expensive, but is white, which could really help brighten up a dingy crawlspace.  I'm not sure how translucent XF is.. probably still lighter than the black or clear poly I've been using.


 


jt8


"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan

jt8

Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

Tu-Tuff (post #99842, reply #16 of 17)

by positiveenergy in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 10:22

By the way, we sell Tu-Tuf as well at www.positive-energy.com.  To JohnT8, Sto-cote Products also makes NiceRink which is a product for ice skating rinks.

Your irritating ads are (post #99842, reply #17 of 17)

by DanH in reply to positiveenergy [original] on Mon, 11/01/2010 - 16:29

Your irritating ads are replying to a thread that's 4 years old.


We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy -- sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. --Thomas Edison

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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 19:52

Did you tape seams on the Tu tuff?  If so, what did you use? 


http://www.positive-energy.com/pages/SealingAirBarriers2.html


Carries a tape, however they got it priced at $32/roll.  That seems a bit steep to me.


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"Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do."
-- John R. Wooden 

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Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 22:41

OK, went ahead and ordered Tu-Tuff 4.  And sheeeeeeze, nearly $40 for a 200' roll of seam tape!


All told about $400 for 2400sqft of coverage.  A bit more than I'm used to paying for regular poly.


 


 


jt8


"Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do."
-- John R. Wooden 

jt8

Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

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by AndyEngel in reply to Anonymous [original] on Sat, 11/26/2005 - 12:43

Sounds like you figured the tape out...


You'll be happy you spent the money.


 


Andy Engel


Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.


Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig


None of this matters in geological time.

Andy Engel

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

None of this matters in geological time.

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by rjw in reply to Anonymous [original] on Sat, 11/26/2005 - 14:05

I meant to address this to "All". Sorry....

(Well, kind of ... well, not really <G>)


FWIW, I get to "enjoy" a lot of crawlspaces; I don't think I've run into tu-tuff or any of the other high price spreads more than a couple of times.

The biggest problem I see with crawl space VBs is that they can get dislodged by people working in the crawl. I suspect that's as true for the expensive stuff as the cheap.

Unless you tape, of course.

The only reason to tape in my opinion and experience is to keep them from being dislodged when people are working down there who are too lazy to push em back in place when done. The sheets don't move on their own (at least on flat ground, which all I ever see in crawls around here.)

Just overlapping the seams 18" - 24" works fine in my area (NW Ohio) which has a mix of soils in different sections, ranging from expansive clays to sand.



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Edited 11/26/2005 9:03 am ET by rjw

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by AndyEngel in reply to Anonymous [original] on Sat, 11/26/2005 - 23:45

In agreement with you Bob. That happens a lot when we don't get political. <G>

Andy Engel


Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.


Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig


None of this matters in geological time.

Andy Engel

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

None of this matters in geological time.

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by rjw in reply to Anonymous [original] on Sun, 11/27/2005 - 03:05

>>In agreement with you Bob. That happens a lot when we don't get political. <G>

No it doesn't!
(Ooops, this isn't the tavern <G,D&R>) Talk about stuck in a rut!



Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Sojourners: Christians for Justice and Peace


Edited 11/26/2005 9:06 pm ET by rjw

======================================== "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." Reinhold Niebuhr: 'The Children of Light and the Children of Darkness' http://rjw-progressive.blogspot.com/ ========================================

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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/28/2005 - 06:31

My 'beam' project got bumped back at least a week, so this weekend I was feeding my obsessive side...    Scrubbing the 4-block high crawl with a course nylon brush and bucket of cleanser.  Then hitting it with Drylok today.  Probably overkill, but I figure it can't hurt. 


Tu-Tuff will be in hopefully some time this week.   


 


jt8


"Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do."
-- John R. Wooden 

jt8

Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

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by rjw in reply to Anonymous [original] on Mon, 11/28/2005 - 09:57

>>feeding my obsessive side... Scrubbing the 4-block high crawl with a course nylon brush and bucket of cleanser. Then hitting it with Drylok today. Probably overkill, but I figure it can't hurt.

Obsessive side? Nah. It would have been obsessive if you;d used a fine nylon brush. <G>

>>Tu-Tuff will be in hopefully some time this week.

How much exposure of the foundation outside? Unless there is plenty of exposure (say, 2 courses of so) for moisture to evaporate from, do not run the VB up the walls



Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Sojourners: Christians for Justice and Peace

======================================== "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." Reinhold Niebuhr: 'The Children of Light and the Children of Darkness' http://rjw-progressive.blogspot.com/ ========================================

Positive Energy (post #99842, reply #15 of 17)

by positiveenergy in reply to Anonymous [original] on Thu, 09/02/2010 - 14:55

Hi - I'm with Positive ENergy - we reduced our price on that tape by about $10, and we also carry the Tu-Tuff material.  It is a grat product.

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by JohnT8 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Tue, 09/19/2006 - 14:41

I did end up getting the Tuf Tuff, but I can't say I'm terribly impressed with it as a crawlspace liner.   I bought a 4' roll and a 20' roll.  Based on a scrap I took off the 4' roll: no, I couldn't tear it by hand, but it seemed to puncture fairly easy.  Gravel, block/pad corners, etc seem to punch holes in it.  IMO, the Tu Tuff seemed much easier to puncture than 6mil poly.


I was concerned enough that I swept the crawlspace with broom and magnet to try and eliminate potentially sharp objects (the loose ones, not the blocks/pads, etc) and then put down 6mil poly UNDER the Tu Tuff to act as a puncture-barrier.


Also, the 20x100' roll turned out to be about 19'8"x98'.  Looked to be 4' wide rolls seamed together.  Whereas the poly I buy is usually uniform, is right at 20', and often gives you a bit extra on the length (and only costs about 1/5 as much).


Considering what the Tu Tuff + poly cost, for just a little more, I could have EPDM'ed the entire crawl.  Then there wouldn't have been a doubt about the moisture or durability.


jt8


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Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you.
-- Carl Sandburg

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by rez in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 21:18

That's right.


 


be somebody ought to go kick thereazzes


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