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Prime or sand first with wallpaper paste

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Just steamed off some massive wallpaper in the kitchen, and of course there is still wallpaper glue (a nice blue) all over the surface, which happens to be a glossy canary yellow.  Now, the wallpaper doesn't seem as bad an idea. 


Anyway,  I thought I read somewhere to prime/seal the surface first, then sand to remove the wallpaper paste, rather than sanding it off first.  Any thoughts? 

(post #94937, reply #1 of 20)

Never heard the "prime - sand" method.


Can't you just use wallpaper remover to remove the glue?  Or a gentle glue remover? Then a thorough wash, light sand, then prime.


Regards,


Tim   

(post #94937, reply #2 of 20)

Use Ziff and wash it off. Then wash it again and maybe even one more time.


Do yur repairs, seal it with Kilz or some such... Paint...


Sanding will make you set you back. Sand if you want smoother walls.


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(post #94937, reply #8 of 20)

Did you mean DIF instead of Ziff?

(post #94937, reply #9 of 20)

Yup...

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....

                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

(post #94937, reply #10 of 20)

Yeah...I meant Dif.  Sorry about that. 


I'm a programmer and I have Ziff-Davis magazines all over the place so I guess I had Ziff on the brain.   :-)


 


 

(post #94937, reply #3 of 20)

I'm not a painter


saw somthing on TV that indiocated if you don't get all the glue off you will get blistering down the line. 


 


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bobl          Volo, non valeo

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(post #94937, reply #4 of 20)

You would not want to paint over the glue.

(post #94937, reply #5 of 20)

That's what I thought, but I was wondering if anyone thought differently, I really do remember some advice (possibly inside FHB) about sealing the glue.  Anyway, the damn stuff just doesn't like to come off, even with remover

(post #94937, reply #6 of 20)

I wonder what they used?  Regular wallpaper paste is not that tough.


Try a scotch brite pad and/or a wallpaper scraper, and a variety of solvents.


Start less toxic, and move to more toxic.


Detergent, wallpaper paste remover, Simple Green, TSP, alcohol, naptha, mineral spirits, acetone, xylene, universal solvent...


Will it sand off, or is it too gooey?


At some point, if it comes off with great difficulty, and can be made smooth, you would have to assume that it is not going to give way under your paint, and fogetaboutit.

(post #94937, reply #7 of 20)

I just happened to remove wallpaper in my hallway as well.  The yellow glossy stuff you see is actually a layer of glue.  Score it using the "paper tiger" tool (can be found at Home Depot). With a sponge or rag, wipe on the Ziff wallpaper remover.  Make sure the water is as hot.  Let soak and then wet again.  Scrape with a putty knife.


Using this method, I was able to get the wallpaper and glue layer off in big sheets.  What's left is a fairly smooth and tack free surface.  Off course, it helped that the previous owners had either primed the surface or used semigloss paint prior to wallpapering. 


Don't sand.  It'll just gum up the paper in no time. 


After you clean and make all the wall repairs, prime with an oil based primer sealer.  This will seal in the glue.  A water based primer/paint may reactivate any glue that's left over.  After the primer is dry, just paint as usual.


 

(post #94937, reply #11 of 20)

I don't recommed The Tiger.specially "just" over glue.


It puntures the rock IMO and is only necessary on extremely hard to remove paper that may not be primed behind it.


Dif and HOT water will melt it right off.


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(post #94937, reply #12 of 20)

Thanks for all the posts.  I can assure you the glossy yellow is actually an almost indestructable lead-based enamel paint or its kin, that's probably why it was papered in the first place.  As for hot water, it doesn't seem to touch this glue, which also gums the hell out of sandpaper.  My next step will be a combo of Zif/Diff/Dip/Jiffy (I know, the blue gel) (which I actually haven't tried, I ran out) and if that doesn't work we'll get serious.  

(post #94937, reply #13 of 20)

1/4" rock over the old walls

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(post #94937, reply #14 of 20)

Naw, I'm a plaster man myself.  I wil always repair rather than replace even when it is more expensive, might not look as good, take much more time, and drive me to drink (well, drink more).  Maybe it's from being a Red Sox fan.

(post #94937, reply #15 of 20)

didnt realize or see where you wrote that you were dealing with plaster or I'd never have suggested 1/4" rock over the walls.


I thought you were dealing with rock.


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(post #94937, reply #16 of 20)

"I thought you were dealing with rock."


some of us have older homes that have plaster


 


 


 


 


 


 


some things u can't resist saying


bobl          Volo, non valeo

 

bobl          Volo, non valeo

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"But when you're a kibbutzer and have no responsibility to decide the facts and apply the law, you can reach any conclusion you want because it doesn't matter." SHG

(post #94937, reply #17 of 20)

bobl


        and even my house has walls of sheetrock.


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(post #94937, reply #18 of 20)

no prob, you get off easy this time

(post #94937, reply #19 of 20)

no prob, you get off easy this time


I know...next time yer gonna have to kill me..lol


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(post #94937, reply #20 of 20)

Paint will show any imperfection on a wall.   Id sand it down then prime. Get that glue outta there.