This is my first issue of F.H. Been reading Fine Woodworking for 13 years and appreciate the education.
But I am curious,Your starter course recommendation left me contemplating, If you cut the shingle, and apply it,what will it self seal to? felt paper?I am from the old school just flip it and nail it. Your answer please.
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I cut the tabs off and flip and nail leaving the adhesive on so it seals properly
Jet,
have you thought out the downside to the resulting nail placement folowing that method?
Just read the rest of this string and as they say you learn something everyday. The cut the tabs and DON'T flip sounds a lot better as it leaves the adhesive at the edge to keep the first row of tabs glued.
Gotta love this forum.
I used to be conceded, but someone told me that was wrong. So I fixed that and now I'm perfect.
I always used to cut the tabs off, and leave them right side up. That way the adhesive was right at the edge of the tabs on the next course, so the wind couldn't pick them up.
But on the last roof I did the lumberyard had something they called "starter roll". It was 50' long, and about a foot wide. Had a strip of adhesive on it, but I don't recall it's exact location. I really liked it though.
Hire teenagers while they still know everything
Of all of the stuff I've read on this board over the years, the confusion over the starter course in roofing is only surpassed in inexplicability by the long ago poster who argued that all of the strips that prevent the shingles from sticking together had to be removed.
The instructions that come with the shingles are clear. It is equally clear that lots of people don't read them.
On three tab shingles, cut off the tabs and don't flip it...just like Boss describes. I imagine the starter roll he describes would come in handy when installing dimensional shingles.
Rich Beckman
Something else that is interesting on the starter course for dimensional shingles at least with GAF and Owens Corning . The adhesive strip is near the bottom on the back of the shingle. So for starter course you cut off the top portion down to the top of the lower laminated part and then put the full shingle over it. What could be easier. I seen a roll of that starter strip at HD. I don't see why you would want to use it. It is thinner than a shingle and being sticky on the back would be harder to put down. It is continuous which is a positive and you don't have to cut shingles.
Rich, haven't you heard ???
Real men don't need instructions
I don't lie, cheat or steal unnecessarily.
Boss,
I need 'em and I read 'em. Heck, most of the time I even follow 'em! Guess that makes me an imaginary man. And it don't bother me a bit.
Rich Beckman
I've almost always used the roll starter course. Its easy and no seams and really doesnt cost much more.....why all the cutting and flipping...I did that in my first few years or so cause that way the way I was taught a zillion years back....and tell ya what.....even with flipping the shingle...not cutting the tabs....it was perfectly fine....I know cause I've had the same customers for decades... so what the beef? TYell me where you ever had a problem with that method (without lying...lol).
Be well
Namaste'
Andy
It's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Using the whole shingle without cutting the tabs off will raise the headlap and show an extra thickness telegraphing especially in certain light. I always used shingles instead of roll for two reasons: I always had shingles left over from the last job so I could use up misc. colours and in cooler weather or early mornings, the roll would warm up faster on the sunny side and rolling it out would be a pain. It would go like a flat tire and not want to lay down flat. Cutting shingles was easy. add ten minutes to a house. Leftover roll doesn't store so well either.
Instructions make the man, Boss
:))Excellence is its own reward!
Piff
What a cheap skate.....lollllll.....YEh me too....in the early years I always had my garage with the extra squares from a previous siding /roofing gig to be used as undercourse on the next gig....Lets be clear here.....its a pain to keep old material in my basement/ garage/ shop and its is fulllllll of moldings, roofing, bricks, 2x , tar buckets, rusty pump jacks, corroding pump jack poles of 22' 2x 4's.......hardened bags of sacrete.....rebar......pieces of $6.00 a ft crown molding.......THANK GOD I'M MOVING......30 yd dumpster in my driveway last week......Broke my heart but I threw it all out.....Just aint worth it at a point....How much stuff can we store in our garage, basement, shops??? Storing rolls of starter course.....ewwwwwww , like thats so different then old tubes of PL 400 etc etc.....ROFLO......might just copy and paste this into a new thread....OK OK sorry to hijack this thread but c'mon.....
PS.....tell ya what...like I said..lets not get carried away...flipped around shingles WITH THE TABS ON...work fine and you dern well know it...I have a whole lotta houses I did decades ago and they still look perfect! Asphalt aint all that attractive or "fine home building" to begin with if ya wanna get cabinet/furnature literate with home building.......FINE is slate/ wood/ etc etc...Dont go gettin ......what ever...you rock Piff
BE well
NAmaste
AndyIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
It'll work but not look good and out in Texas, the coast of Florida, the mountains of Colorado - there's enough wind without being blocked by trees that they will lift up and wave at you without that sealdown strip at the edge. After awhile they breal off. That's not fine home building.Excellence is its own reward!
Piff......you win.....Just saying "breal off" wins....Never heard of that term in my 51 years..(u makin that up???????)..MAybe cause I aint from Texas (Jimmie & Stevie Ray Vaughn.......yeh man, Bushes,,ugh), Florida( won't even go there,,no one good is from Florida,,,sorr=ee) or Colorada ( Just love that state and dont matter whos from there......best state besides NY) .....Preferably I prefere Colorado....Florida irks me major!!!
BE well
Namaste
AndyIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
who switched those "L" and "K" leys around????????
just wait 'tikk I get my hands around his kittke necl...
:)Excellence is its own reward!
"who switched those "L" and "K" leys around????????
just wait 'tikk I get my hands around his kittke necl..."
ROFLMAO!!
Rich Beckman
Am I the only idiot who roof cements down both the starter and the first course? Please tell me it ain't so....
Regards,
Rework
Could be so but I'd hire you to do my house.Half of good living is staying out of bad situations.
Forget the primal scream, just Roar!
Re
I'll not only pay you to help me do my cedar roof on that 322 year old crib but throw in a keg in ice! I think I may have Piff convinced...LOL
BE well
Namaste
AndyIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM