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Framing around steel column, HOW?

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A friend of mine wants to frame around with drywall a 4" steel column in his basement.


I've seen in FHB a company that sells a product that wraps around and provides an easy way to frame it. Does anyone know that products name?


Or have suggestions on an easy way to do this.

(post #75341, reply #1 of 28)

yep..we do.


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(post #75341, reply #2 of 28)

How would I find out information about it?

(post #75341, reply #3 of 28)

So you have been here since 2004....see the search function to your upper left?


Yeah, thats it..go for ADVANCED search and read away after you type in your specific search function. You wil find a multitude of responses and solutions to your quandry.



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(post #75341, reply #4 of 28)

Actually 6/11/2002.

For those who have fought for it Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

(post #75341, reply #5 of 28)

Must be a terrorist, i swear it was not that date when I looked...oooooh.


Merry Hollydaze to you in NC...



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(post #75341, reply #6 of 28)

It is 67 deg and was supposed to be 72 in Avl.  We are going to Augusta to see kids and grandgirls for the holiday.


Maybe your eye caught the 4 posts rather than the date.


Happy Holidays to you and yours also.


Bob

For those who have fought for it Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

(post #75341, reply #7 of 28)

Nah..I am just stupid, polishing off a big jar of Planters dryroasted pnuts....I tolerate the nuts, its the stuff in the bottom of the jar thats left that gets me off....must be pure salt.


Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks


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(post #75341, reply #10 of 28)

Wow. Thats not like you.


If he had asked about chopsaw preferences, I could understand.


Don't recall boxing steel columns as being an incredibly repetetive thread.


EDITED TO ADD: I just tried an advanced search for threads containing any of the words "boxing steel columns" and came up empty....lotsa threads with the word steel in em....nuttin' what I was looking for though.



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Edited 12/17/2006 5:49 pm ET by JDRHI

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(post #75341, reply #11 of 28)

Actually, it has been beat to death. But , I apologize. Cranky wife, farting dog, and a head ache from hell...nice day outside and I didn't have the hutspuh to capitalize on it.


Long story. thanks for the shot over the bow.



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(post #75341, reply #22 of 28)

Cranky wife I can deal with.....actually included it in our wedding vowes.....farting dog can be murder though. My sympathies.


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(post #75341, reply #23 of 28)

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blue


 

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keep looking for customers who want to hire  YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you  a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and  "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead  high...."

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(post #75341, reply #13 of 28)

Oh, and I just got a new queensize bed last week....managed to get a 2pc box spring so I could get it up the non-code stairs, still hadda cut outthe second floor head banger to get the freeekin mattress up...now I have a delemma about using an old piano front as a head board..when the mattress is 60 wide and the proposed hb is 54...I gotta make it up in the posts, and I don't have walnut in that size, that is dry.


Actually, I don't have any walnut that is useable at all.


And just now the powers that be, allowed me to substitute a foriegn wood for the posts...of which I am still looking for..the Brown Ash I scored from David Doud, has pretty much exploded. I mean it all checked so badly that te 6/4 is fire wood, the 8/4 can be salvaged...all the 4/4 went crazy warpo. and split up the wazoo.


see? I said it was long story..sorry about that.



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(post #75341, reply #17 of 28)

Have you tried searching "Boxing Helena"?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106471/


Forrest

(post #75341, reply #21 of 28)

WOW....where the hell did you come up with that one?


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(post #75341, reply #28 of 28)

Huh?  I didn't know that Art Garfunkel was also an actor...

(post #75341, reply #8 of 28)

7 replies and no good info yet. Not uncommon.


I assume this is a round column? I have not seen ready-made wrap kits although they probably do exist. I would probably wrap first with 1/2" ply (2 pcs 4" wide and 2 pcs ~5" wide, fasten along the edges, fasten with SM screws into the column) and then wrap with rock.

(post #75341, reply #9 of 28)

How large do you want the columns to be?


Very often, I frame out with 1 5/8" metal studs. Basically just four studs (one in each corner) and some short lengths of trac. Tyically they are below a beam that will be boxed as well. Attach your trac to the beam at top and shoot some pins into the concrete floor at the bottom. Pop in your studs and wrap with sheetrock.....trim as desired. Pretty simple. Hardest part is squaring everything up at the outset.



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(post #75341, reply #12 of 28)

Similar to davidmeiland except I would cut 4 1/8 and 5 1/8 . Assemble two sides and back with glue and nails/screws apply construction adhesive to the column on 1 sides (back side), place the "U" around column, apply bead of adhesive to column where the sides almost touch it , clamp face on after applying adhesive to column where face lays and then clamp face to the "U" , and glue and nail it to the sides.
No drilling involved


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(post #75341, reply #14 of 28)

punch column wraps into the Dogpile search engine, lotsa stuff

here's just one:

http://www.architecturaldepot.com/c/lally-columns/?page=001/CTGY/lally-columns

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Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God says, "Out on Highway 61."

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(post #75341, reply #15 of 28)

What does your friend want it to look like when he's done? That would go a long way towards answering your question.


I recently did some wraps that had 92 pieces per, obviously you can do it simpler or more complex, all depends on the look your after.


Doug

(post #75341, reply #16 of 28)

There is a product called Pole Wrap that is available at most home centers and lumberyards.

(post #75341, reply #20 of 28)

Thanks, Snort, but that one was easy to find, even with the poopy search function here from Prospero.  Yuk.


Methinks the OP wants one of those dinky little square ring sets you can get to pop on a lally and then have a foursided array on which to pin some sheetrock.  Another yuk.


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(post #75341, reply #18 of 28)

Cut two lengths of drywall just wider than the column diameter to the height you need. Cut two more to that width plus the thickness of the other two pieces of drywall. Assemble these four pieces on the column with steel framing "half track", which is actually a light angle, at each corner. Wire this assembly together with tie wire. Drywall it again screwing the second layer into the steel corners you just wired on.


I do remember a discussion about this here a year or so ago where there were some very good ideas tossed out.


Ron

(post #75341, reply #19 of 28)

I rip 2x lumber to a 45 degre bevel, and use that to screw the rock to.


Once sheetrocked, I then inject expanding foam into the cavity, drilling holes near the corners. I foam at the top and botom, and 2-3 places along the length.


Once the foam is set, I install the metal corner bead using 3M spray adhesive and a corner bead crimper. I then tape and spackle, and trim as desired.


This method is surprisingly solid once done.

(post #75341, reply #24 of 28)

Shep, your method gets my vote even though it sounds a bit slow...which usually isn't my style ( I don't claim to be a finisher).


Surprisingly, the only reason I read this thread was because Ive never read a thread on boxed poles. I was interested to see how others do them. It just goes to show that even though some questions have been beaten to death, they still are new to some people...even people who have haunted this place for years.


As far as the search button goes...I've never successfully been able to use it for anything! I don't even bother trying it anymore.


blue


 

"...

keep looking for customers who want to hire  YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you  a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and  "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead  high...."

From the best of TauntonU.

(post #75341, reply #27 of 28)

Actually, it's kind of slow only if it's just 1 column


If there's several, I can pretty much mass produce all the parts, and installing everything is quick.


The part that takes the longest is spackling, and waiting for the spackle to dry between coats

(post #75341, reply #25 of 28)

You're looking for EZ Column: http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/EZC-0002/Plastic-Framing-Collarsset-of-5

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(post #75341, reply #26 of 28)

In concept the Easy Column is a great device. But you've got to be careful that the columns are completely plumb, or that you're willing to accept any out-of-plumb telegraphing through to the finish.


Out of plumb columns have frustrated me the last couple times I finished a basement off.