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I am in the midst of replacing all of the old galvanized water supply pipes in my home with new copper supply pipes. As far as sizing the pipe diameters, is it best to run 3/4″ up to the second floor and then 1/2″ to each second floor fixture? For instance, I am worried about having adequate water pressure upstairs when the basement washing machine kicks on. Thanks for the help.
-Steve
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Steve,
have you considered installing a home run plumbing system or a modified home run system. You could also use pex plumbing to save yourself from having to sweat a lot of copper pipe - it will also reduce your pressure drop. In a home run system, each fixtures supply piping is run to a central manifold. In a modified home run system a single large supply line (3/4") is run to each room and the fixtures for that room are supplied off of a small manifold for that room. Check out Kitec's web site, they have a complete overview of how to do this.
*Thor... Pex is illegal in NYS. Careful with ideas.near the stream,aj1/2" gets hotwater to faucet on time. Most people do not wash clothes while showers are taken. You can do a recirculating system to keep hot hot but most people do not.
*1/2" is just what you need.Pete
*You can get some of this information from Code books, but, I wonder how much water pressure you have in your area, if you are even raising the question.I am in the finishing stages of a renovation project located at a the upper edge of one water district, and the local water supplier told us to extend a water main from the neighboring uphill district so that we would have sufficient pressure. That took us from 60 psi to 180 psi, and we had to install a pressure reducer on our incoming domestic water supply line to drop it down to 80psi (the maximum allowable water pressure for plumbing fixtures). You don't want to know the details of my difficulties, but you can have a plumber do a flow test on a nearby fire hydrant to tell you what you actually have. It is possible to use larger pipe sizes (which will have less friction loss) to compensate for lower water pressures.With all that said, it depends upon the number of second floor fixtures you have. Some will need 1/2" supplies, some may be fine with 3/8" supplies. It is the combined fixture unit total that determines the size of the riser.
*Steve,I'll probably get slammed for this, but The Journal of Light Construction has an article about this very thing this month. Check it out. After the second reading, it starts to make sense. I think you will find all your answers there if you know what your pressure is after the meter.
Remember JJ McGough -- Bout with the Gout, Holohan, the Wall and Hydronics guru from 8 years or so ago? Need a sidearm Pete?Can't believe you are still around Pete!
and ye old 'WHAT SIZE page' strikes again.
be another newbie notch nicked on the copper supply pipe pistol grip.
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jeff... just on the odd chance you're still around
we're getting ready to do a RFH system on a small ranch
two zones...using Elec. HW heatersMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike,Still around (Breckenridge, CO). 3/4" to 1" depending on the heating load and/or the capacity of wattage of the water heaters, GPM needed. Re3sidential electric water heaters don't put out a lot so you would probably be safe with 1". Have you done a load calc yet? What are your square footages, outdoor design temp, etc?BTW, haven't been on Breaktime for years. Busy designing mechanical/energy systems for the conspiciously consumptive in the Aspen/Vail area during my supposed semi-retirement.
jeff.. it's good to see your smiling face
the RFH is subbed to my heating guy.. but i'll be showing some pics as we go along
are you still flying around the country ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike,Good to hear from you. Hope life is good in your neck of the woods. Great time we had years ago,eh?Travel only when a lucrative, agreeable, and stimulating offer presents itself. Actually, there is plenty here in the Blue River Valley to keep me busy and interested. Trying to dump the Vail/Aspen thing (just over the I-70) and stick close to home. Breck is a small mountain community of less than 3300 permanent residents but a premier snow resort in the winter. We are currently in what we call "mud season" although as I write, the sun is shining and it is snowing. We are at 9600', so anything and everything can happen anytime. Want me to send you some pix of my pet foxes? Not supposed to feed them but what the hell, I plead ignorance.Namaste,Jeff
mmm.. we had bunches of fox.. and they all got to be quite tame
everyone was feeding them
next year they were all gone.. distemper
same thing seems to cycle thru the raccoon population
and the rabbits..
and the skunks and possum
only critters that never goes thru the cycle is the deer and the coyoteMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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Dave, I have a question.
This thread started at 1.1
Is this the first thread started in Breaktime?
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Oh man, that is a profound possibility. The earliest artifacts ever uncovered, now on display for all to see.
It's possible that the site software went thru an upgrade at some point, and that's the oldest thread with recent posts that made the cut. We'd have to get an internet archaeologist.
Anyway, I'd probably run 3/4" upstairs, maybe just 1/2" if there's only one bathroom. If it's one of Plumbill's mega-condo-baths then probably 1".
My mega bath condo's get pex these days, unless I have to go through a 2hr rated wall.
My company just picked up a school repipe for the summer in DesMoines, it's getting Corzan CPVC.
6-10 schedule & a close commute------10 to 1 odds I won't be on it.
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>>it's getting Corzan CPVC.
Why would that be the choice?
>>6-10 schedule & a close commute
6-10.... as in 60 hours per week??
Money, money , money.
School district trying to save a buck, when they absolutley need to have the pipes replaced.
6-10's---- yup 60 hr weeks---- fast track job needs to get done before school re-opens in Sept.
The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.
-- Albert Einstein
So you get 20 hr OT every week. I guess your wife doesn't know whether to be pizzed because you're never home, or happy because you're raking in dough.
Yup 20hrs OT.
It's a fast track so the job is not a long maybe 6 weeks, & other than working on the saturdays since it's a way shorter commute I would be getting home about the same time that I do now.
The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.
-- Albert Einstein
Didja get the pipe thing figured out?
Don't forget that running a 3/4" hot water line means that it takes longer for you to get hot water and that you waste more heat as more hot water is left to cool in the pipe. I would use 3/4" for cold and 1/2" for hot, running two 1/2" if necessary for pressure with one line to one set and the other to second set.
ah, BRISKET-
That was exciting.
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WOW!!! What a Ride!
are you pals with Rod Serling???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
He IS Rod Serling...
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" Do not add to the world's confusion, by speaking in unclear terms"
Made that exact mistake myself on my house! I read the tankless installation manuel, and yup,, It takes far too long to get hot at the tap. It's coming all out,, some day.
I haven't read all 180 messages on this thread,, but wanted to post anyway!
Heh, heh, heh.Just read the date
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"That thread is like a glued down half dollar on the floor. Just wiat and someone will stoop down and try to get it up."
You are so right.
This thread was my first ever post on Breaktime; and as the original poster of this thread, it brings a smile to my face every time I see it.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
So what size did you finally decide to use?
and if 3/4 on the hot, how much longer is the wait time for the hot to reach the faucet head over a 1l2 inch line?
Cheers
"So what size did you finally decide to use?
and if 3/4 on the hot, how much longer is the wait time for the hot to reach the faucet head over a 1l2 inch line?"
I brought 3/4" from the basement up to the second floor, then branched off to each fiture with 1/2". I actually installed a Laing recirculating pump in the basement and I have a return loop from the hot side of the fixtures. So there is instant hot at both adjacent second floor bathrooms, the attic bath above, and now the kitchen, too. (The kitchen piping was tied into this overall configuration a couple of years later).
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president. I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day. And I pray that he makes wise decisions.
This thread was my first ever post on Breaktime; and as the original poster of this thread, it brings a smile to my face every time I see it.
Looking at this thread for the 100th time and just now noticed it's not only your first thread, but Pizzpooroh's first thread when they took over?
Joe H
Yes, that seems to be the explanation why it keeps resurrecting in the search archives on almost any subject.
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Guess my timing was good. Or bad.
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There were 1.5 million people at the inauguration and only 14 missed work.
and as the original poster of this thread, it brings a smile to my face every time I see it
and who says you haven't a sense of humor...
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To be truthful: both a smile and a bit of a cringe.
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No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president. I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day. And I pray that he makes wise decisions.
Looks like it was everyone's first-ever post. Thread #1.
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Don't you realize that you posted to a thread that was two days old and not at the top of any of the folders?Don't I realize that I just did the same thing?
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Hey, lookadat! I have something in common with somebody from Fredricksburg!;)I lived there for several months back in about '71. Always thought it was a nice place.
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Google Bruce LeCouffe.Walter J Francis was the chef engineer and took over from Rodgers on the lift locks. When you google my name you will see copies of letters we have. Some not posted account for the cement towers that were Francis's idea of which Rodgers would not let him take back. Which is why the Kirkfield locks are made of steel.
Been trying out the "Search" function have you?
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Sounds fine steve, I also sugest running 1" up to the junction for water heater supply
Be carefull if you do use plastic. If some electrician used the pipe for a ground and you break it---strange things can happen such as a hot plumbing system. I think you otherwise have some fine answers.
After a particularly bad, potentially fatal, accident while disconnecting a copper water run, the pipe was energized, I got thinking about how I could have avoided the situation. I, in collusion with a plumber friend, can up with a simple procedure:
I had an old pair of jumper cables that I split apart. It gives you a stout piece of wire and two large clamps. I have taken to jumpering around any spots I will be cutting in metallic pipes. When the cut is finished I can check for current by placing a clamp on meter or just seeing if a clamp will draw sparks when remade on the pipe.
My plumber friend, who got the other cable from the set, came back one day saying that he had avoided a shock at a local industrial concern by using our jumper method. After cutting a steel pipe he drew a good arc when he removed one of the clamps. Come to find out a 480v motor have shorted to the frame and was grounding out by way of the attached pump at the end of the run of pipe. Without the jumper he could have placed himself in the middle of the circuit by grabbing both cut ends. He bought me a beer.
At least once I too have avoided a potentially bad situation. This is so simple that I was surprised that every plumber doesn't have a jumper on hand for safety. It won't solve all the problems but IMHO it may be a step in the right direction. It saved me a nasty shock and that alone has earned my loyalty.
> When the cut is finished I can check for current by placing a clamp on meter ....
If the jaws are big enough to fit around the pipe, you can check first. Probably better to fix the electrical problem before the plumbing work rather than mickey mousing it with the jumper.
http://www.swainmeter.com/structure.html has some really big diameter clamp ammeters.
-- J.S.
Edited 10/9/2002 3:38:27 PM ET by JOHN_SPRUNG
Wow!
As a plumber I have never heard of this. But it sure could happen. I personally disagree with the concept of bonding to my water pipes to start with. Had an electrical inspector turn down a job last month because the electrician hadn't grounded to my PEX tubing. I worked with the electrician and he was over ruled by his boss. Moron!
WHW - I know the feeling. An inexperienced inspector had me add a ground clamp and 15' of #6 to a bronze hose bib, I can't say "sillc_ck as it triggers the profanity feature, even though the remainder of the plumbing system was plastic. It cost me an extra 15 minutes and around $6 in parts. Not the largest loss I have seen but it accomplished nothing. Nod smile, keep moving and hope the inspector learns the ropes sooner not later.
In a month or so some of the better inspectors will apologize for this sort of error. No real harm done. Good for a laugh after everyone has cooled off. I'm not perfect and I don't expect the inspectors to be either. Had it been a larger issue, or the inspector less adiment, I would have debated the issue more. I find that being forgiving to an inspector often comes back in kind later on. When you get in a difficult situation it helps having someone who knows that you are trying to do it right in a difficult situation.
On smaller pipes a clamp-on can be read directly but given the condition of some of the industrial plants the jumper seems to me to be prudent if parts of the system are still active. The problem is that these systems frequently have pumps cycling on and off to meet the demands of remote temperature, pressure or level sensors. The section testing safe now may be live at any time after.
While I agree that in an ideal world it would be better to trouble-shoot any stray current it becomes impractical as the size and complexity of the system increases. In some cases the fault may lie hundreds of feet away from where I am working. Some of these plants can be measured in fractions of a mile with employees getting around on bicycles.
NEC specs that there be but one bond to the plumbing and it is within 3' of the entrance point of the feed pipe. With only one, the water heater isolated by insulated stubs, there is little danger. When things go particularly well the WH is within the 3' and so both functions are handled as one. Unfortunately so much work is done by well intentioned but ignorant HOs and handymen. What I find is often a very creative but certainly non-standard interpretation of the codes. Even among inspectors there can be diversity of opinions. Some amount to Rube Goldberg devices that are designed to wound, maim and kill tradesmen. Some are diabolically complex and deceptive.
> While I agree that in an ideal world it would be better to trouble-shoot any stray current it becomes impractical as the size and complexity of the system increases.
Where is OSHA on this? Wouldn't citing these kind of electrical problems do more good than some of the stuff they're actually doing?
-- J.S.
OSHA has been under funded for decades. While the number of businesses has grown exponentially the funds allocated to OSHA have remained the same or, under Reagan, shrunk. Part of his plan to "Get government off the back of business."
Some estimates say that at present staffing levels it would take something like 50 years for the existing number of inspectors to do minimum, walk through, inspections of all existing job sites. Of course to break even no new sites could open during that time. OSHA is presently only addressing complaints and most of those at jobs having many employees. Enforcement is a joke with inspectors arriving at sites AFTER someone dies.
The reason for bonding the plumbing system is that water and metal are both at the end of all runs as far as the homeowner is concerned and both of them conduct electricity rather well and are usually near a power source. The codes are now including grounding all the rebar in the foundation to prevent degradation of the rebar. There is a case in Florida with Lennar Homes where a serviceman was killed because the metal framing of a house was not grounded so you really can not be too safe. Besides what is an hour's worth of work if you might be saving someone's life?
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Did you ground the metal framing in that renovation with all the curves you posted some pics of a few years back?
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it was in the Lowes 153....
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nope.
use steel studs in basements as much as possible.
never grounded a one.
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The standard piping size is to run 3/4 to the second floor . But you may want to use 1 inch pipe in the basement .By doing this there may not be any pressure drop for the upstairs fixitures. But as we all know there is no guarantee. RICH K
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*I am in the midst of replacing all of the old galvanized water supply pipes in my home with new copper supply pipes. As far as sizing the pipe diameters, is it best to run 3/4" up to the second floor and then 1/2" to each second floor fixture? For instance, I am worried about having adequate water pressure upstairs when the basement washing machine kicks on. Thanks for the help.-Steve
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*Steve,
"Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your tea"
"Madam, if I were your husband I would drink it." Sir Winston Churchhill
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WOW!!! What a Ride!
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I'm wishing you the best.
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Welcome back from the dead. You and this thread both.
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I'm putting in a one piece fiberglass shower/tub surround for myself and 1 1/2 inch pvc drain piping will be so much easier to work with than 2 inch due to running it in tight spaces.
So, anyone, is using 1 1/2 inch really that wrong of a thing to do and can I get away with it?
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Bump.
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Works ok in that respect but just confuses first timers.
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Question about pressure drop for new construction. Will there be enough from hot water heater in crawl space up @5 ft. to floor truss area and over 40 ft. to the Apollo "radiator" coil hooked to the air handler/ductwork system for heating (instead of furnace)? The air handler will be suspended from the trusses, so the line goes up 5 to 6 feet and back down 2-3 to the air handler unit. Also, another set of piping from the hot water heater to the house fixtures (which of course will be higher)..in this line I'd planned to have plumber hook up a convective loop with a check valve, as explained in a previous F.Hmbuilding issue. The question is whether gravity will work for both, or whether I'd have to have small pumps. Any assistance appreciated. Bill
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Steve: I'm not a plumber but have hired plenty. Seems to me that when I built a new 2nd floor bath the plumber commented that a bath with three fixtures (shower/tub, toilet, sink) required 3/4" copper by code. Same house had an attic that had been turned into an apartment. Complaints about pressure from renter. City Water Dept. came out and tested pressure. Between 80 and 100. Showed me a chunk of true lead pipe that was representative of the supply from the main. Said it was 3/4". Lead has much thicker walls so it really had about the same "bore" as 1/2" copper. This lead (no pun) to pressure versus volume discussion. Result: Pressure fine, volume low. Sometimes the correct terms are better. So I would go 3/4" at least for volume. New homes usually have at least 1" or larger supplies from main. There is also a loop you can build on the hot supply that minimizes running lots of cold water setting in the hot side from lack of recent use--but that is another book. If you hook that copper to the old galvanized pipe (somewhere) use a dialelectric union. BTW a shower takes a 2" DWV and a tub 1-1/2" Tyr
So why does a tub with a shower only take a 1 1/2" trap?
Could be a confusion from commercial versus residential. In my neck of the woods, for commercial, 1/2" copper is permitted to only supply 2 fixture units; 3/4" is allowed 7. Residential, I've seen entire houses plumbed in 1/2" (not that was good practice, per se). DWV sizes are different, too. Commercial drains tend to have a 3" minimum, which makes the minimum vent 2" (depending upon practice, codes, and/or contractor).
For a tub/shower in a residence, 1 1/2" will work. Most plumbers will vent same diameter as the drain, so that works, too. Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
<So why does a tub with a shower only take a 1 1/2" trap?>
"Cause even though the 1 1/2" is more likely to clog than the 2", it will take longer for the tub to fill up and overflow - you're more likely to realize it's clogged before overflowing water becomes a problem.
I think this got answered already. However, I always pondered over a restriction like the 1-1/2 drain going to a 2". I get all kinds of answers including friction when the waste passes though the pipe to things like--"Have you ever been fishing in a stream and watched when the water is constricted for a short distance by rocks and then opens up to a big pool....." I think a shower pan should have 2" from the get go.
I'll be breaking open the cartons from SwanStone tomorrow and see what they did.
Tyr
I noticed that you made mention of using Swanstone shower bases. I am removing a fiberglass one and replacing it with Swanstone also. The size is 32x32, and the pipe in the base is 2in dia going to a 1-1/2 in dia. waste. How do I remove the old connection, and attach the new Kohler drain all from the top of the units?
Thanks.
Phil
Can somebody please explain why this thread just shows up......
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
BT is freaking tonight. Funny stuff going on.
Did you have something to do with this???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Remember the story about FH issue#351?
Ohhh I see....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
we didn't lose it...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Best not bring up FHB #'s 153 or 351 again or you'll get paul asking more questions about it and will do nothing but get Taunton riled up.
Spaghetti? The secret is in the sauce!
Hunts with garlic.
Edited 8/20/2005 9:50 am ET by rez
too late..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
There are no real people named Imerc, SamT, Boss Hogg, Bob Walker, etc.
The writer at Taunton Press that kept all the forums filled with phony threads and posts retired yesterday, so we had to start recycling the old ones.
As soon as we can find a replacement, things will be back to normal.
Sisop
(enter theme music)
The Twilight Zone...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Imerc,
You do realise that you will now have an unread msg to you forever, don't you?
SamT
Coollllll!!!!....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
cool
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
"Can somebody please explain why this thread just shows up......"
Oh .. I'm just glad it did ...
I have a ton of questions I was gonna search for ...
Now I'll just reread the title of this thread over and over again for all my answers!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry in Carpentry
Pgh, PA
Welcome New one!
You musta searched a thread subject...landed on the infamous plumbing thread...check out the date of the first post...like a LONG time ago.
Thats OK, yer new. enjoy your stay!
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"I've..seen all good people turn thier heads, so, satisfied, I am on my way.."They kill prophets for profits"..And, that's...the truth.........phhatt
I want to be immortalized in limbo, too.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Limbo
The sole true Something--This ! In Limbo DenIt frightens Ghosts as Ghosts here frighten men--For skimming in the wake it mock'd the careOf the old Boat-God for his Farthing Fare ;Tho' Irus' Ghost itself he ne'er frown'd blacker on,The skin and skin-pent Druggist crost the Acheron,Styx, and with Puriphlegethon Cocytus,--(The very names, methinks, might thither fright us--)Unchang'd it cross'd--& shall some fated HourBe pulveris'd by Demogorgon's powerAnd given as poison to annilate Souls--Even now It shrinks them ! they shrink in as Moles(Nature's mute Monks, live Mandrakes of the ground)Creep back from Light--then listen for its Sound ;--See but to dread, and dread they know not why--The natural Alien of their negative Eye.
'Tis a strange place, this Limbo !--not a Place,Yet name it so ;--where Time & weary SpaceFettered from flight, with night-mair sense of fleeing,Strive for their last crepuscular half-being ;--Lank Space, and scytheless Time with branny handsBarren and soundless as the measuring sands,Not mark'd by flit of Shades,--unmeaning theyAs Moonlight on the dial of the day !But that is lovely--looks like Human Time,--An Old Man with a steady Look sublime,That stops his earthly Task to watch the skies ;But he is blind--a Statue hath such Eyes ;--Yet having moon-ward turn'd his face by chance,Gazes the orb with moon-like countenance,With scant white hairs, with foretop bald & high,He gazes still,--his eyeless Face all Eye ;--As 'twere an organ full of silent Sight,His whole Face seemeth to rejoice in Light !Lip touching lip, all moveless, bust and limb,He seems to gaze at that which seems to gaze on him !
No such sweet sights doth Limbo Den immure,
Wall'd round, and made a Spirit-jail secure,By the mere Horror of blank Naught-at-all,Whose circumambience doth these Ghosts enthral.A lurid thought is growthless, dull Privation,Yet that is but a Purgatory curse ;Hell knows a fear far worse,A fear--a future fate.--'Tis positive Negation !
uhhh......okay, I don't want to be immortalized in limbo. saul
it's been done..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
no, those ar archived for just that reason...you can search for past advice. Ironically, no matter what ya search for, that is the first thread that pops up...just a ripple in the web.
Have fun here, it's great place. And kiss your wife and kids goodbye, your here now,,,can't leave.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"I've..seen all good people turn thier heads, so, satisfied, I am on my way.."They kill prophets for profits"..And, that's...the truth.........phhatt
Yeah, I was working on many houses built up through WWII and found galvanized to be the standard material then. I always used dielectric connections for the transitions. When the water department guy walked in with a foot of lead pipe as an example of what had been running from the main to the meter the ID was no bigger than 1/2". Officially it was listed as 3/4" pipe. The homeowners portion from the water meter into the house was still that lead pipe but she didn't want to go to the expense of replacement. And people still ask me if the solder I use on copper has lead in it!
I really don't have a good information source to know what effect a smaller diameter fitting may have on the overall volume. By the time I figure in 90 ells, friction, etc. I can usually solve whatever problem someone has and they don't want a degree in why but only how much and how long. Tyr
Greetings! "........................................................................."
Oh fark, I can not not help it.
Sorry REZ...LMAO
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
this one???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
That's the one.
I wonder what ever happened to Steve...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Mohler.
I think he went on to develop a line of plumbing fixtures.
A bird does not sing because it has an answer. A bird sings because it has a song.
Edited 9/11/2006 9:36 pm ET by rez
I miss hearing from him.
Your life must suck...cuz I keep getting directed to this post. outta nowhere.
Pex...Pex..
It's the caffine.
be just another vice in a vise
Edited 8/3/2007 11:25 am ET by rez
lack of...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I just wonder. Is pex a really bad thing or a good thing?
by the way, as suicide is usicide except one at a time why is one of them illegal?
Also, do dyslexic agnostic insomniacs really lay awake at night wondering if there's a dog?
Bwahahahahaha
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I've never met a man that was owed as much as he thought he was.
Kilroy was here!
seeyou invented Bwahahahahaha
what are you doing????
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Bwahahahahaha
This is a mind on Tavern polijive
sobriety is the root cause of dementia.
PEX is illegal. See Post #3.
;^)
3/4 inch pipe is adequate. 1/2 inch pipe should be stubbed to the fixtures.
You do not say the distance from the water meter to the second floor. Also, you do not say how many fixture units are all together or in the second floor. There is a table in the National Plumbing Code that tells what size in respect to length of the pipes ( friction loss) and total amount of fixture units. The wash machine is not the problem. Since you already had galvanized pipes, chances are that replacing with copper pipes will give you better result using the same size a before. Someone suggested PEX but copper pipes are better.
Greetings from California
Guess he's ready for the Tavern now.
Yep. Get him a set of keys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related
Caught another.
and another. natanlie be 1.120
Two fer the price of one.
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"Someone suggested PEX but copper pipes are better."better. just because. where's the eye roll button?
bump
Click here for access to the Woodshed Tavern
LOL, leave the poor guy alone.
It's not his fault.
Not sure if I will ever get it right, but I will continue to roll that marble around my pea-brain until I figure it out.
Steve, here is an article about using pex. Half inch is just what you need.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/realestate/03home.html
Edited 6/7/2008 3:27 pm ET by MarkH
Oh, would you knock it off.
Quit stirrin the pot;-)
...Andy Engel, a home improvement contractor in Roxbury, Conn., said that PEX is a “clumsy acronym’’ for cross-linked polyethylene, a flexible plastic tubing that has been used primarily for radiant heating since the 1960’s.
That was an intersting link MarkH posted. Man, that AndyEngles guy sure does get around.
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fun is where ya can find it....
really gets the new ones ta wunderin' too....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
That's true.
Hey find me a conversion kit to convert my 2K Ranger V-6 to natural gas.
liquid or compressed????
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
http://www.hendrixsystems.com/
http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm
http://www.mckenziecorp.com/cng-conversion-kits.htm
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Compressed & thanks.
those links should cover about everything....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Almost;-)
First one is for forklifts, second is diesel conversions.
The 3rd I did look at before for their compressors, they do have conversions for newer & bigger fords---- they might have one for the smaller stuff , I'll check em out deeper.
Guy I know, George, has a CNG powered truck...
he says the fuel mileage sucks...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
but what's his fuel cost/mile?
dunno the actual....
the way he carried on about finding fuel and having to fill up sometimes twice a day and the tank taking up space in the shortbed truck and the anemic performance (thars mountains in these here hills) and....
the whole up shot is he is begging his company to take the truck away from him and give him something else...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
anemic performance... when I was in OK 20 some yrs ago Boss had a dually that had NG for alt fuel to burn when he wasn't pulling a load. Used the gas(?) when he was hooked up to a trailer. Seemed to work OK but pretty flat there.
and a lot lower in altitude too...
time and place for most anything...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
It shouldn't.
NG has about 120 octane rating.
Emissions are alot less too.
I run the cheap gas in my truck from ARCO when I put the expensive stuff in it from other stations it knocks & pings---- go figure.
Yer truck is designed to run on the cheep gas.
Of course, 'cheep gas' these days is kinda an oxymoron....
$1.50 a quart here and risin'....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
It's strange I tell ya.
Low octane 10% ethanol & runs like a champ.
Ofcourse I haven't checked my MPG for a while though.
I'm using about 15-16 litres per 100 km of plain old regular in the new truck (2004 GMC/5.3L v-8), but that's a lot of stop-and-go and idling. Don't remember what that translates to in mpg, but it's less than 60% of what the old truck used to drink so comparatively speaking, anyway, I'm not crying....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
So, this mean you guys are using copper for your fuel lines or what?
only in non-ispected non-permited work.....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Use nickel/copper for fuel lines all the time---- damnn that stuff is expensive.
Iron, SS or those specialized rubber hose types..
but NO plain copper...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
From the copper dot org people.
3. Is copper approved for use in fuel gas system by any national and regional building codes?
The National Fuel Gas Code (NFPA 54/ANSI Z223.1) and all of the major model building codes have approved copper for the use in fuel gas systems. In fact, in states like Minnesota, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc, copper is the dominant, if not the primary choice, for flexible fuel gas piping systems in homes and multi-family units. IAPMO approved copper for use with fuel gas in 1999 - you may want to read the announcement.
this county says no...
that what it all comes down to...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Oh sure do what the gov tells ya---- i see how ya are ;-)
this isn't going up against a meer BI...
she likes to play god and write he own rules... she believes she has been truely annointed...
suspect she has never read any code book or at best just doesn't comprehend them...
the one here is is way laid back to what G8 knocks heads with...
remind the BI that a NG fired furnace is allowed in the crawl space.. propane isn't...(98% of the installation is done)...
she decided that a fuel fired forced air furnace didn't belong in the crawl space and wanted the system torn out....
got that minor item taken care of... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
so we have to now install a diconnect on the furnace (the ones with a screw in fuse in them)
so mount the handy box... put in the fused switch..... don't wire it in.. (no wires coming or going from or to the box)... good to go...
no venting installed to the furnace yet.. no problem....
get signed off on final... but call for final wasn't requested.... just the rough in....
every job it's something else....
customers here will insist that you do not pull a permit....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
it'd make my head hurt...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Bump
ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Well, we all kinda have an obligation to keep this thread up and going...no?
sure do....
think Steve will ever check in and get his answers...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Edited 12/27/2008 1:11 am by IMERC
Well, the poor guy didn't actually sign up for this nonsense...
All he did was ask a question.
Happy New Year to you and Steve.
he was the 1st prospero vic... er customer....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Thanks for the well wishes. I'm still here, just a different moniker.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
Lol...I think you are the most famous guy at BT!
Well, except for Piffin
and Gunner,
and Calvin,
and Mike Smith,
and CU,
and, and, and...lol...
Well poor Steve got so frustrated that here you see him punching out Luka.http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Mohler/1069805974Then he became an alcoholic.http://www.blacktie-colorado.com/premiere_events/details.cfm?id=736Libations: Steve Mohler, Above the Rim Fine Wines and Coors LightThen he straighted out and became a choir director.http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Mohler_Steven_80421484.aspxAll because no one would tell him what size copper pipe to use..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
because no one would tell him what size copper pipe to use.
According to Deep Thought, the Answer is 'Forty-two'.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Bill, the facebook one is actually me (not the photo though, that's just a joke) , the other two links are not.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
sure they are....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Pretty funny that this thing rears its ugly head from time to time.
That was my first post ever here at breaktime.
Happy New year everyone.
For the record, I used 3/4" up to the 2nd floor bath, and reduced to 1/2" leading to each fixture.
Same for the attic bath.
I also ran 1/2" return lines (wrapped with pipe wrap) to form recirculating loops and installed one Laing recirculating pump that provides instant hot water to both of those baths and the two kitchen sinks.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
Edited 12/27/2008 9:54 pm ET by SteveInCleveland
Edited 12/27/2008 9:54 pm ET by SteveInCleveland
So, it was you who got drafted to become embedded deep in Breaktime lore?
Funny how far the fickle hands of fate can reach.
Well, what size copper supply piping did you finally end up using?
Curious minds would like to know.
94969.19 In the beginning there was Breaktime...
1/2 is good enough
i love this thread, man
aj is in it tooMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
ROAR!!!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
aj is in it too
Took his advice once, he was right.
By the blue stream...
Joe H
Don't tell the other Joe that.
I'm still try'n to sort through that stove/roof/radiant energy thread. How many years has that been now?
Man, what a time!
only 1/2 diam but seven years long eh?Gotta tape that will measure it that long?;)
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
Gotta tape that will measure it that long?
Yes, but the space time continuum prevents me from using it in this dimension.
Time to upgrade!
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
How long have we got?AitchKay
>>>Gotta tape that will measure it that long?<<<Yeah but it's Betamax.
I would run 3/4 from your meter to the heater and 1/2" after your water heater. Check your meter to see if you have a 3/4" outlet.
Paddy
would you manifold off the supply for cold and stay 3/4...
new wisdom seems to be pex for distribution...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I thought you were staying with copper. With copper I'd go 3/4 to the water heater and then 1/2".
We just plumbed a house with PEX and the ease of installation and labor savings was unbelievable. Just so you know I'm a rehabber not a professional plumber. The houses we have done with PEX and Shark Bite fittings have all been single floor plans and almost all of the connections have been in the basement. We did not do the manifold system since it is a rental property but, if it was my own house I would.
Paddy
I finished that project back in May of 2002. :)
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president. I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day. And I pray that he makes wise decisions.
you only think so...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
The legend lives on.
If only my clients' knew how popular their supply pipes have become.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president. I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day. And I pray that he makes wise decisions.
so tell them...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I really should. I still do other projects for them from time to time.
They would find it humorous.
"Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi
No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president. I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day. And I pray that he makes wise decisions.
and they're still hanging in there...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Next...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I see this topic is ongoing. Somehow I can only see the first 7 pages of comments/replies.
Jim x 3
If the water pipe thread can survive the switch to drupal, maybe we can too.