Now a days people prefers custom built homes than the normal homes. Anybody have any experience with an RTM?
I have no clue what you mean. What is a "custom built home" and how does it differ from a "normal" home"? What is "normal" anyway?
And what exactly is an RTM?
One of the first thing I learned hanging out here is that home building differens greatly from one region to another. What happens where you live will be different that what you see a couple of states away.
Follow the link in his profile -- he's pushing some (really ugly) "manufactured" homes.
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Who will say these are ugly homes? Its Custom Built RTM Homes
OK, I take it back -- it's a very nice looking 1920s small town train depot.
Do people in your country live in homes like these? Here we call those mobile homes or trailers. No matter how you dress up a pig it's still a pig.
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custom build homes are very affordable and adjustable as we can customize them as per our needs. we have freedom to choose size, material, internal structure as well as budjet. while all others are normal as we buy them directly in ready position whatever the stucture have by accepting all the things that seller have choosen as per his need.
RTM Homes are ready to move homes. They are movable & custumizable as they made up of wood & we can move them anywhere. RTM Homes are very Popular in Canada.
Did you come here to learn something, or just push your own adgenda/company?
Do you make all your buildings out of Popular? I'd think the D Fir would be a better wood, most the Popular is prone to rot, or dont folk expect RTM houses to last very Long. .
Anybody have any experience with an RTM
Yep, those are a good source of cheap 'once used' axles for equipment trailers.
RTM = Ready To Move ?
Edit PS: the folks up in oil country can likely afford better, so they go 'custom' ?
Well I think custom homes are so popular because the economy is on the rise again so people can afford to build their own home. There's also so many options with custom home building. Most companies, for example the company that I work for Norton Homes( in , allow people to either use one of their development properties, one off lots, or even build from their current lot. All these options allow families to be in the school district the want with a home that is perfectly fit to their family so they can enjoy the home for a very long time rather than having to move around as their family grows or changes.
thats just what we need more house manufactures ,i know many people who have nightmares with companys that will drop your house off just like going to wallmart you save a ton of money they say ,i am sorry but they look like your everyday row house vinly siding ,could be wrong ,but custom does not come from a flyer ,here is our six models each one c
the day of the carpenter is dying each guy has a station
I know nothing of current state of the art, but 40 years ago when I purchased for a doublewide factory in Arizona that's how it was. The only guy with a hammer was the repair technician, working on air tools. Those houses always were "permanently" installed, with the axles removed. Hey, Arizona, not much rot problem there, just termites. Don't know if they liked particle board but I bought tons of it.
That work station assembly allowed 140 workers to assemble 3 doublewides per day. Seeing 12x70' roofs flying over to the assembly line was a wonder to behold. These, however, weren't cheap. Cost as much as a stick-built house at the time.
Which didn't concern me. What did was a supplier delivery screw-up which if it stopped the assembly line, the president was quick to point out the cost per minute. Major money. It was a business, the only art was in the sales pitch. "Custom" meant lots of options to choose from. Large gold vein mirrors were popular, especially around the over-sized whirlpool tubs. Which were filled with nekkid wimmens in the photos the sales force carried.
Why don't I miss those days?
PAHS works. Bury it.
in Bowling Green, Oh there was a house trailer company-Broadmor(e)? homes.
They hired hippies.
I never worked there, but probably should have-it would have given me the training I may or may not have wanted when I started in the trade.
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That was me, hairy high and low. Don't ask me why, don't know...
Summer job between semesters, they needed bodies, the woman told me to show up with a hammer and nail apron. Turned out nobody used either. And as a college kid they figured I could count, so I was sent to the purchasing office to do inventory control. Wandering around with my clipboard, the first day somebody shot a nail gun at me. I felt the whoosh. That afternoon the president held a company meeting to introduce me and tell everybody I wasn't spying on them, but making sure they didn't run out of whatever they needed to do their job and get their bonuses.
After the U. awarded me a BS (appropriately enough), and I failed (no accident) my pre-induction physical, I went to work full-time as a purchasing agent. Spending upwards of $1m/month in the early 70's was pretty heady. I left to travel (first trip lasted 13 months), never went back to that work, and never regretted it. I don't think factory assembly work would have helped you much, but I've never done your line of work. One thing I did learn well was how to talk to people and convince them to do what I needed.
That cost of stopping the assembly line if I ran out of a critical item was almost half of my annual salary, per minute.
Freshman year-flunked out. Met with the dean and he gave me one more chance-improve or your gone.
Deans list from there on out. Sometimes you just needed a little prodding.............
Never did get a dipoloma, after a 5th yr of mostly auditing classes and seminars............I become carpenter.
Now, after over 40 yrs, I'm getting close.
I started with a huge engineering scholarship in St. Louis. Boy, did they make a mistake. After losing the money I headed back to Arizona. That or Viet Nam. Land Grant school in Arizona, which meant ROTC was required. They refused me a class card until I shaved and got a haircut. The dean said those were my choices, barber or Nam. Which had similarities.
His prod sent me looking for other choices, which were available if not quite acceptable. After 5 years of avoiding the draft they decided to award me a degree, with 3 majors. It was the final year that I got close enough to grad school to see what they were doing. Horrified me. Made me wish I'd taken more architecture classes. And happy I haven't shaved since 1967.
My only regret was not getting more involved with the architecture community in the Phoenix area. Wonderful opportunities there. One, named Soleri, is still influencing my PAHS dealings. His Cosanti used earth-formed thinshell concrete construction. The only place I know of its use. Jim (Cloud Hidden) and I had a discussion about it here several years ago, he'd never heard of it.
A young Frenchman I helped last winter with his nautilus-shaped PAHS took me on a thinshell house tour of France last August. In September he arrived here for a major US road trip. Including looking for Jim, now in the Phoenix area, out of that business after some problems. Antoine believes he (with help) will revolutionize French housebuilding. PAHS is the key to making the Maison Bulle movement http://tinyurl.com/bzhoqcf more habitable. Hot in summer, cold in winter as they were built. August there, it is far better to be outside. Antti Lovag, the architect, is a buddy of my young friend.
You never know where choices early in life might take you. In a similar vein, ever visited http://www.wattstowers.us/ ? Which I made my young friend promise not to miss. As an undergrad, I saw a film about the builder. While my friend, after dropping out of the French Foreign Legion, found PAHS and me.
Digress? Encouraged by a Moderator? We were talking trailers... (Ahem) RTM houses (real tornado magnets).
Are you actually wanting a degree?
beats me-I don't know which box to check on those survey's.
the wife and I are going to visit Jim in a couple weeks-Spring Training and the Grand Canyon!
I connected with him, he got seats a couple rows behind ours at a Sat. game. Hope nothing screws up our meeting.
They don't have rainouts in Phoenix, do they?
Hope all else is well for you. I don't expect you'll be by this way?
Grand Canyon is spectacular, particularly down into the backcountry. Tourist areas, less so. From Denver, I planned a week in the backcountry every year. Then, no reservation necessary 'cause very few went there. Soleri's Arcosanti is between Phoenix and the Canyon, take a peek if you haven't.
Rainouts in Phoenix? This is, or used to be, the rainy season, but everything's relative. I spent a semester sleeping on campus roofs when I couldn't afford an apartment. Never got rained on. Or arrested.
Likely I'll be driving my mother to her Michigan summer residence again this year. She's 101. We're trying to figure out a schedule, partly due to my needing to be in France again, minimum four stops. Plus two different canton Swiss friends we have to visit. Then an old friend in the Netherlands wrote that she wants me to see an unusual house her brother built on a Dutch island.
Wanna try again? 23's the route, probably early July. Unlikely rib delivery would happen, but maybe me. My Carey buddy bought a Florida Keys house, figured he could run his business from there. Even program the huge CNC machines via internet. I haven't heard how that worked.
Have a great trip. Excellent time of year to visit Arizona. Hi to Jim.
Hey Tom, I can't remember where you live.
I'm gonna be in Mt Hope W.V. in late April. Is that anywhere close to you?
Beckley's a straight shot on I 64. Be happy to feed you but it's 3 hours' drive for you to take Bertha out for a spin. My little mountain is near Montecello, TJ's place on those nickels.
Also happy to load you with a souvenir if you want a REAL rock... There's a house there now, but still lots of rocks and the big Case hoe he bought for me to operate. That's the little tractor in the background. Would you believe he managed to rip the cutting bar off his hoe bucket? Big hydraulics on those things. But that rock required Bertha's.
I won't have any time for any side trips. Gonna be a busy and exhausting week.
Will get in late on Sunday. Full week of work, plus possibly Saturday. Then I have to head right back home and work Monday.
I was sorta hoping you were closer, and might be willing to venture over and visit.
You're there working for your job?
Somehow I thought you were interested more in the machinery here. Kind of a long drive to meet for lunch, though that sounds nice. Maybe better, appears I have a PAHS house coming up near Bloomington, Indiana. That anywhere near you? I'd rather visit where you live. Site visits are a little unusual for me but this one might happen. When my French friend was here last fall he wanted us to visit. I wasn't on the trip and Bloomfield wasn't on the route since there isn't yet a PAHS house there.
There is one I'd like to see in person south of Gary, maybe the same trip. If I show up I might be able to get that guy to retrieve the past couple years' ground temperature/moisture sensor measurements I've been wanting. Probably you're somewhere near that not-small triangle? I know very little of the state. Other than there's a lot of atrazine used there.
I'm going to W.V for a mission/work trip. Went there last April, and it was a really intense trip. If you want to read about what happened, the story is in the PDF files in the farming picture thread:
You have to go to the next page to get all 5 days.
Bloomington Indiana is about 3 hours SW of where I live now. (Near Champaign, Illinois) The farm is another 2 hours SW of here. If you get as far as Bloomington I'll at least make an effort to get over there. But it will depend on what day of the week you'd be there and if I have to work or not.
BTW - What the heck is a PAHS house?
LMAO... after all these years together on Breaktime Ron.
Passive Annual Heat Storage saves excess summer heat (cooling the house) for replacing winter heat loss. Think large thermal flywheel that evens out indoor temperatures on an annual basis, passively. I read the book published in 1983, built one, and have enjoyed it for 2 decades now.
Not so many around, my efforts were noticed. A guy promoting the concept put up a web page based on our emails many years ago, never updated as I have no access: http://fugadeideas.org/paccs/tom/index.shtml Somebody at Taunton saw that and set it up as my home page, or whatever they call it. I diverged from the book's author by using an engineering manual to determine how/why my houses, and others, perform as they do. Not architecture, it's a heating/cooling system applicable to almost any style. Tweaking the design for local climate is appropriate, like any heating/cooling system. The difference is that PAHS is passive, no moving parts, nothing to maintain, or fuel to buy.
Stepping off the soap box...
Getting back to the atlas, I got the wrong state for you but headed in the right direction. Minimal detour if I'm headed for the culvert section PAHS around Chicago, Gary side. Not to whine, but I tried to get with your farming thread and found the photos were too large for my crappy internet connection. The one drawback to living here, between fiber optic and DSL, neither available now or probably ever as only 5 houses in the area. Notice the small size of my posted photos.
I'll try again. Thanks for the link. Mission work is always interesting, from afar. This is what you do for vacation? Wow. Some of my family have done something of the sort in Africa, but it appeared more tourism/fundraising than work, which they were unprepared to actually do.
I'll let you know if I get close. Neither the Bloomington guy nor I have schedules to keep. Same for the guy farther north. Boomers all.
Ron, thank you for the nudge. That was a wonderful description of your week, makes the reader almost feel present.
I'll check your later thread. Hope your next mission trip is as successful.
Sorry to hear that the PDF files are too large for your internet connection. But if you ever get faster internet, hopefully they'll be there. That's one of the advantages of doing the thread the way I do it now. I have those things backed up all over the place, so I know they'll be around for my grandkids to read.
I remember seeing the PAHS "logo" in your posts, but don't recall ever asking what it meant. Sounds like an interesting concept. Not sure I'd ever try it, but interesting anyway.
The trip - Yeah, it was really something. Probably the most intense one I've ever been on. I'm looking forward to another one.
Part of what I like is the unknown. You jump in your vehicle and head out without really knowing what will happen. You don't know who you'll be working with, just what exactly you'll be doing, or how it will turn out.
On every trip I've met people I didn't like, but also made new friends. At times I felt like I helped someone who maybe could have gotten off their butt and done something themselves. But most of the time I've felt good about what was done.
No trip has ever been perfect, but they're always memorable.
When I get back I'm sure I'll be sharing the pics and stories, just like always.
RTM houses (real tornado magnets).
Yuk, yuk, yuk, had not seen that acronynm before.
How is 'Bertha' doing, she still runnin'? ?
Added a 853 bobcat with backhoe attachment to stable of 'toys', one of the 440s has not run for a year and a half (ran out of gas 1/2 mile from road, have not carried gas back to it yet)
Hi Art, maybe you should get out more? That's what my friends here frequently suggest for me.
Bertha had a problem, lack of power, couldn't scamper up a 50% slope. Nobody in the Cat dealer shop is old enough to have seen one like her. Amazing amount of internet information available from Aussies fortunately. Turned out her governor needed a rebuild, back to full power now. I couldn't figure out how to remove a fuel check valve from its housing. The Cat parts guy had no clue either (but he did have the part). The oldest guy in the shop looked at it, walked over to a vice and grabbed a BF hammer. One whack and the two piece housing split. So much paint on it the seam was invisible. Back to normal now, goose her and she growls.
Those Aussies were surprised I'd use her on this terrain, but she's the answer to my dreams. You know that if you want to store machinery for a long time it's always best to run all the gas out of it first... Skidsteers are a little too tippy here. The Aussie who guided my tractor search first asked what I wanted to do with it, then firmly told me that I needed to avoid the newer articulated loaders. Straight tractors are more stable, if considerably less maneuverable.
I'm waiting for my retired machinist buddy to make a front axle ring gear for my compact tractor. He's forgotten more about different steels than I'll ever know. And has an amazing stock. No longer available from the manufacturer and no used one to be found in the US. 2 wheel drive isn't much use here. Speaking of interesting machinery, have you seen one of these? Something you could use, simple to re-purpose.
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