Ok, dumb question, and personally I don’t care what the answer is. But an HO asked, and …… I don’t know the answer.
Why does water in the toilet bowl “wobble” or move up/down? On windy days it seems it does it a lot. But I’ve also noticed it on days when it was completely calm outside.
So……why? No problems here, HO just asking a curious questoin that I haven’t the slightest idea the answer.
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This is my understanding of the movement.
On windy day there is wind blowing over the waste stack vent that vents out through your roof. The wind speeding over the vent will depending on the angle it is blow across the vent will either lower the pressure in the drain system, which will cause the water to be "sucked" down out of the toilet bowl. If the wind is blowing at an angle into the vent pipe the pressure will be higher which will cause the water to rise in the bowl.
I dont know why it would do it on a calm day, maybe difference in pressure from the city side of the drain system.
Hope this helps/makes sense.
J-
If ya aim yer pee stream just right you can get the water to whirlpool and keep the terlet cleaner. If yer a middle of the pond pisser, you splash a mess all over. geeze. somepeople.
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Yeah..so uhh hows that little gurl at Taunton..You Knowww..c'mon...
The water moves in rythm with the earth's heartbeat.
When it is moving and the wind isn't blowing, mother nature is having a um... quality private moment...
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
Like the first responder said:
Pressure differences inside to outside - but on a calm day...maybe someone closed an outside door?
I thought that's what they meant by 'bowel movement'?
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Because the floor is rotted out around the base .
Did you know that the water in the bowl flows the opposite (clockwise) south of the equator?That's what I've been told, because of the earth's rotation or something.
Did you know that the water in the bowl flows the opposite (clockwise) south of the equator?
That's what I've been told, because of the earth's rotation or something.
Yup. Coriolis effect. Google it. However, if the bowl is manufactured in the northern hemisphere, it may initiate a counter-clockwise rotation. Water draining from sinks will behave as expected.
Of course, if you're directly on the equator, the water just sloshes out from from centrifugal force :-)
According to Discovery.com, the toilets in Australia work just like ours...
http://www.discovery.com/area/skinnyon/skinnyon970523/skinny1.html
How can they tell, when they're looking at them upside down?(Yes, scientists tell us that the Coriolis effect is so weak that it has negligible effect on toilets. The water will tend to swirl one direction or the other, based on minor imbalances in initial water flow. Where one is relative to the Equator has no practical impact.)
Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm but the harm does not interest them. --T.S. Eliot
what keeps the contents of the toilet off of the ceiling???
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
It's called the Coriolis Force
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There's no painless way to explain how Coriolis works, though, so gird your intellectual loins for a small war.
The first battle will be to visualize the spinning planet to which the toilet is fastened:<!----><!---->
Slice the Earth at the equator like a grapefruit, and flatten the northern hemisphere into a plate. Now spin it counterclockwise. The North Pole, you'll notice, turns quite slowly. Move out to 45 degrees latitude (<!----><!----><!---->Minneapolis<!----><!---->) on the plate and here the ground is buzzing along at about 730 miles per hour. Move way out to the edge of the plate and the equator is turning at 1,040 miles per hour.<!----><!---->
(Visual aid: Picture a line of people walking arm-in-arm, with one end of the line always at the North Pole. To hold their formation, the people on the outside have to run and the people near the Pole have to creep.)<!----><!---->
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Got it? At the equator the ground moves fastest; at the poles, it moves slowest.
The second battle involves visualizing a sloshy substance hovering over the spinning Earth. Round out the Earth again, and picture a stationary air mass hovering over the equator at, say, the Amazon basin. This air is stationary only in relation to the Earth. Viewed from space, that air is actually moving at about 1,040 miles per hour, keeping pace with the ground beneath it.<!----><!---->
Now excise a neat cube of that air, and shove it north to the 45th parallel. The ground here is moving under the cube of air at 740 miles per hour, but the cube of air continues tooling along at 1,040 miles per hour. Whereas it was stationary relative to the Amazon, now it's moving east at 290 miles per hour, relative to its new home on the 45th parallel.<!----><!---->
(This is <!----><!---->Newton<!----><!---->'s First Law: Objects in motion, including cubes of air, are obligated to stay in motion until they get permission from a brick wall, or a more subtle force, to slow down.)
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To recap: Push a floating object north, and it will appear, relative to the earth, to pick up speed and move east.
The third battle is a cakewalk. When you pushed air north from the equator, it appeared to gain speed and move east. Now take a cube of air from over the slow-spinning North Pole, and nudge it south toward the 45th, where the earth sweeps beneath it faster: As a cube of air that was stationary near the pole moves south, it appears to slow down, and veer westward.<!----><!---->
(Visual aid: Betty, at the center of a merry-go-round, throws a ball to Billy at the merry-go-round's edge. By the time the ball reaches the edge, however, the merry-go-round has moved out from under it. Billy sees the ball fall "west" of him.)<!----><!---->
OK, hold those thoughts: Either way you shove a block of air, from north to south, or south to north, it appears to be deflected to its right -- or clockwise. Now consider a toilet in <!----><!---->Minneapolis<!----><!---->. The toilet is connected to the earth, but the water is merely sloshing around over it, like a mass of air. The whole contraption, however, is whipping around the earth's axis at 730 miles per hour.<!----><!---->
The catch is that water floating at the north end of the bowl has a scidge less ground to cover per second; and the water hovering over the south end has a skidge more ground to cover. So the water at the north gets a little bit ahead, the water at the south gets a little bit behind, and when you flush, the clockwise twirl comes to fruition.<!----><!---->
(To get the southern-hemisphere view, revisit your spinning plate, walk to its underside, and you'll note that instead of turning from your right to your left, the planet is now turning from your left to your right. Take my word for it: Everything else is reversed, too.)<!----><!---->
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Not so in Australia, I checked and it just gets sucked out just like on an airplane.
Tides.
tides it'd be as often as the toilet gets mooned...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
....no doubt caused by the many moons that pass over the water
at any given moment.
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Anticipation?
Forrest
It's the vibrations of the invisible music and it all depends on what key the toilet is tuned to. My favorite for those long sits is our Toto tuned to E flat. If I've consumed a goodly amount of black bean fritata and honey dipped wings some hours before, I'm able to harmonize quite nicely with Toto. E flat is a real mover.
There are seen and unseen things moving about in the camode, some say it's spirits that have accidently slipped out of the last user, I like the idea of one of the posters here with it being the tides of the moons constantly coming and going.
You'll notice that the waters in a Porta-John don't move at all (only after the 'bombs away' sign flickers on). It's because the water is not really attached to anything, it's self contained. There is no chain of command of water from the flange through the 3" into the street 12" to the great 24" of the treatment ctrs, on out to the rivers and oceans of the world, or leaching into your back fields. It's not touching the other waters of the earth. A Tsunami 8000 miles away can be predicted by close observation of the waters in your bowel, note especially the direction the poop points as it sits there quietly awaiting the start of its great journey. The Porta-John has its own advantages. There are magical powers in the blue stew.
The Earth is tuned to the key of F, so I have always been a step removed from the right vibration.
Well...you asked.
I'll have some of what you're drinking. This pinot must not be working!
Forrest
One of the funniest things I've ever read. Thanks.
It probably is atmospheric pressure differentials. Pretty much a common phenomena. Usually occurs when the giant annacondas that live in the sewer get really hungry and start moving towards warm blooded creatures, who are inadverdantly sitting somewhere, probably reading some magazine, minding their own business and wham!
It has nothing do do with any of the above theories.
It is the caused by having the stereo volume is set properly.
Ozlander
I had no idea that so many theories existed for this strange phenomena.
So to add to it, a "corny" joke:
Why is a toilet the same as any low-end employee?
A. It's always getting p**sed and crapped on.
BOOOO.If at first you don't succeed, try using a hammer next time...everything needs some extra persuasion from time to time. -ME
There you go, straight from the experts. Always glad to help.
Now you can print this thread and provide to your client, I'm sure they'll thank you for it.
Not if you have a Bose stereo.If at first you don't succeed, try using a hammer next time...everything needs some extra persuasion from time to time. -ME
We're talking STEREO, not a boom box.
Ozlander
the septic tank is a little gassy.......
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Caused by the giant snakes and 'gators that are living in the sewers, and trying to get up the pipe and bite you on the azz...
Ok, I guess I was being a bit facetious the last time I answered.
I guess yer an ok guy, so I'll give you the rest of the skinny...
You see, all water, everywhere on the planet... is alive. It is connected. It is, in fact, one being.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water.
Earth's surface is roughly 70 percent water.
In fact, we are all... Plants and animals... Roughly 70 percent water, ourselves.
When I said what you see is the water moving in rythm with the earth's heartbeat, what I meant was that the heartbeat is that of the water itself. The water being the heart of the earth. Well, it's heart, it's soul, it's "id", it's liver.... You get the idea...
Water is the great deciever. It is also the great truth. And the great puppet master.
Nothing happens that water is not behind.
We all think we live our own lives. But in truth, being 70 percent water ourselves, we are just water playing with different parts of itself.
There is nothing that you do that water doesn't make you do. There is nothing that you think that water doesn't make you think.
When you die, they say, "ashes to ashes, dust to dust". But they don't mention the water.
That's because the water is constant.
When you die, water takes itself back from the puppet called you. Slowly. And it puts itself instead inside other puppets.
Maybe a lizard. Maybe a prostitute. Maybe next, you'll be part of the slime on the wall of a sewer.
After that, the water that was in you might become part of a great bottle of champagne. Or maybe it'll all just flow back into the main body of water called the ocean.
Next time you see the water moving in your toilet, remember two things...
The water you are looking at could be what has become of great uncle Bert the pervert...
And that heartbeat you are watching is actually your own, in some weird sort of way...
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
Betcha you read "Dunes" way too many times. lol
You and Sphere oughta team up on a thread.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=83387.1
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Edited 12/30/2006 7:02 pm by Heck
I team up with Sphere on EVERY thread.Just as I team up with you on every thread.Didn't you read my post here ?We are water. We are one.(We are breathing in WillieWonka's toilet.)
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
Aww, you're all wet.
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Now you're learning !=0)
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
We think along the same wave.
Only blips on the screen perhaps, however I think we are naught but tiny drops of water lost in the great sizeable ocean beyond our wildest dreams. But some of those drops....they sparkle.
Actually, it's not alive, it's just all part of a enormous eigenvector wave equation. Action at a distance. When the water goes down in a toilet in Austrailia it comes up in the OP's.Just keep your cat away, or you won't know if he's dead or alive.
Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm but the harm does not interest them. --T.S. Eliot
So what you're saying is whatever I flush down the river here in Pa, they eventually drink in their koolaid in Sydney or thereabouts? It's all water and it's all connected.
Leads me to think that we're all still in the primordial soup doing the backstroke yet awaiting the first recognizable aggregation of ourselves to form a distinct intelligent life form and the big chance of advancement.
Be an amoeba...'blub blub'.
Yeah, that's it, more or less.
Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm but the harm does not interest them. --T.S. Eliot