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Composite PVC Decking and Railing

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Composite PVC Decking and Railing (post #205855)

We all want a nice house and show piece for our friends to envy, but at what cost? 

If you haven't looked into the new products and materials for decks then it's time to.  I think my favorite thing about composite materials like Azek for example is that it is great for the forests and the endangered species being threatened by deforestation. People need to start caring more about the environment, people, and animals effected by those cutting down trees in Africa, Brazil and Asia so they can have a nice long lasting deck. Really!!? 

The good news is the new composite pvc materials look GREAT and don't require maintenance.Luckily many of the highend homeowners and deck builders are starting to push pvc decking more and more. There are many manufactuers who make similar products but I know the Azek material can be manipulated and milled just like and sometimes better than wood. 

Please look into using this material before you choose an exotic hardwood.


James Schiller
Owner,
Charleston SC premier construction contractors
Precision Construction

Azek (post #205855, reply #1 of 11)

Hows this Azek hold up to in reguards to fading?

Looking to finding a composite that won't loose it's appearance to fading or scuffing.

Hearing it's a good idea to purchase samples & set out for a season for color matching to home or what ever.

I'v done this with other brands & found the colors do change quite a bit.... some very disappointing.

"PVC"? Green? (post #205855, reply #2 of 11)

After studying the green building movement for the past decade I have come to believe there is a wide range of what people rationalize as "green".  But I'm surprised to hear or read anyone claim there's anything "green" about pvc, in any form.

  

Jim (post #205855, reply #3 of 11)

It seems like just yesterday-pitchers and catchers reported.................

And now, opening day is just about a week away.

 

 

But aside from that, Schiller's posts (and there were a few) seem to be a modest attempt to insert his business onto the pages of this forum.  He came and went and all he left was his logo and the same message.

 

Maybe there's a no harm pvc being made?

 

Hey to the wife and the rest of the clan.

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Opening day (crack of dawn) (post #205855, reply #4 of 11)

Hey B.C. - The Mariners opened up in Japan.  This morning I switched it on at 5:40 and it was 1-1 in the 10th!  Here we go!

You said, "Maybe there's a no harm pvc being made?".

Chlorine is an extremely toxic substance.  But even if they figure out a way to manufacture pvc without emitting toxins into our environment, how are our great great grandchildren going to dispose of that stuff later? 

These plastics we use only seem less expensive because we are looking at the short term costs associated with them.  Eventually the bill for the true cost will come due, and the dollars our generation saved by using this stuff will seem short sighted indeed.

If you throw some materials out in the brush and it breaks down to a food source for another generation of vegetation, it's green.  I don't think you can do that with pvc.

jim (post #205855, reply #5 of 11)

jimblodgett wrote:

Hey B.C. - The Mariners opened up in Japan.  This morning I switched it on at 5:40 and it was 1-1 in the 10th!  Here we go!

You said, "Maybe there's a no harm pvc being made?".

Chlorine is an extremely toxic substance.  But even if they figure out a way to manufacture pvc without emitting toxins into our environment, how are our great great grandchildren going to dispose of that stuff later? 

These plastics we use only seem less expensive because we are looking at the short term costs associated with them.  Eventually the bill for the true cost will come due, and the dollars our generation saved by using this stuff will seem short sighted indeed.

If you throw some materials out in the brush and it breaks down to a food source for another generation of vegetation, it's green.  I don't think you can do that with pvc.

 

I don't think you want to do that with pvc.

Some organizations have been on the production methods and waste of pvc for a long long time. The "lifetime" lasting of pvc in extreme conditions is one of the highly advertised benefits. That and it's minimal maintanence features are what tends to gloss over the manufacture.

Sensible building practices should be used instead of pushing the rot margin and using non degradable products.

I'm in the middle on this. If the production can be safer and less harmful, then I can maybe see using it in those situations I run into as a remodeler when almost any perishable goods will fail prematurely, while pvc will last. In the minimal applications I've used it I can tell you right now that there is no scrap here. I hang onto everything...............well, but the "sawdust". That I bag up and send to the landfill. I also capture it with the vac, because my hair is white enough I don't need to add that to the mix.

The small cut-offs and rips, I use as filler when epoxying rot repair. The foot or two pcs go in the stack-gave away a couple for customers "house number" boards.

This is one hot topic.

 

I saw the stats from the game in Japan and was surprised-did hear them talking earlier of televising a 3am game-didn't realize it was half way across the world.  Those boys are going to be pretty lag'd when they return.

 

Off to Cleve next week for the opener.  Weather has been so good here (70 today) that it'll probably snow for sure..................

A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.

Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.


http://www.quittintime.com/

 


On the other hand, it makes (post #205855, reply #6 of 11)

On the other hand, it makes more sense to put petroleum into PVC which will make a building material that will last 50-75 years than to pour it into a SUV and burn it up.


Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.  --Herman Melville

Why one or the other? (post #205855, reply #7 of 11)

It would make even more sense to leave it in the ground in the first place.

AZEK fading and bending (post #205855, reply #8 of 11)

Hello guys,

I am new to the forums, but I read your post and I thought I would respond. For four years, I served as the deck products specialist for Starborn Industries who is the manufacturer of Headcote screws and similar products.

Someone above mentioned that AZEK decking can be easily manipulated with heat, and while this used to be true for the original AZEK mono-extruded boards (AZEK Harvest Collection) this is not as true for the newer capstock boards that replaced the Harvest Collection.

As far as fading goes, the new capstock boards (which at this point, all the AZEK boards are) have a hard outer shell with UV inhibitors to prevent fading, and do it very well.

email me if you have any questions or check out my website for information on capstock decking.

 

Best Regards,

Ryan Unick

info@capstockdecking.com

www.capstockdecking.com

Your Source for Decking News & Information

ryan (post #205855, reply #9 of 11)

You say cannot easily be manipulated with heat-

can you qualify the easily part?   A "heat oven" built of metal ductwork with a heat source used to be considered the "easy" way.

 

What will it take now?

 

And please, don't urge private contact-how's the rest of us on this forum going to learn anything?

thanks.

A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.

Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.


http://www.quittintime.com/

 


Calvin (post #205855, reply #10 of 11)

Sorry Calvin,

I did not mean to encourage private messaging - I just wanted to provide people with my contact information should they have any questions.  From now on, I will keep my responses on the boards.

 

Best Regards,

Ryan Unick

info@capstockdecking.com

www.capstockdecking.com

Your Source for Decking News & Information

ryan (post #205855, reply #11 of 11)

Thanks,

It will help later as these messages often get searched and missing info is just that.

Missing.

A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.

Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.


http://www.quittintime.com/