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whiteninja on Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:19
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I'm in the process of selecting a fiberglass window manufacturer for a 90 window Church replacement project.  We've narrowed our manufacturers down to Pella and Serious.  I'm very familiar with Pella and everything they do, but am excited to learn more about Serious, who appears to do some really cool things in terms of U values and SHGC.  Has anyone dealt with Serious Windows?  Can you comment positively or negatively?

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by jimblodgett in reply to whiteninja [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 02:32

I haven't used them before, but met Tuesday with the local Serious rep, got pricing and if we had to order windows for our next project house right now it would be Serious 925 series. U1.1 for 1k +/- per hole?

"Serious Windows". They are appropriately named.

 

 

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by MHolladay in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 10:02

What do you mean by U 1.1?  Many windows have U-factors in the range of 0.3 to 0.4.


A particularly good U-factor for a window would be 0.14 to 0.25.


So why are you talking about U 1.1 ?


 

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by jimblodgett in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:23

Misplaced the decimal point, Martin.  Thanks.


Meant to write ".11".


They offer a .09 series also, but they are too expensive for my blood.


 

 

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by Piffin in reply to whiteninja [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 10:20

Never heard of Serious before, but they can't be any worse than Pella, can they?

 

 


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by BillHartmann in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 10:43

"Never heard of Serious before, but they can't be any worse than Pella, can they?"

Are you Serious?

I can't believe that I am the first one. In fact I expected you to be.

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by Piffin in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 10:50

"I'm very familiar with Pella and everything they do"

LOL, Made me wonder if that meant familiar with all the rotten sashes and failure to provide service after the sale, and messed up orders....

 

 


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by BillHartmann in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:28

You need more coffee before you post.

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by Piffin in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:31

That is true - I do lot of my posting here while having the AM coffee and eggs and viewing my emails

What did I miss?

 

 


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by BillHartmann in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 12:51

Seriously?

A play on the word Serious.

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by Tim in reply to Anonymous [original] on Tue, 07/21/2009 - 16:00

I heard the US Bureau of Labor Statistics was going to remove Pella products from the category of items called "durable goods". They don't count as such.

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by Piffin in reply to Anonymous [original] on Tue, 07/21/2009 - 22:18

LOL, Good one!


 


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by Clewless1 in reply to whiteninja [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:01

Whatever you do, focus on glass choices since you've decided on fiberglass frames. The glass will make or break the energy and comfort performance and it doesn't matter what frame you have ... you can put any type(s) of glass in it you want.


This it the most commonly overlooked part of window selection. People choose windows and either ignore glass or simply choose the wrong products for the wrong reasons.


This is a big investment and may only be made once (hopefully), it's an opportunity to do a good job.


Churches can be ... um difficult if you are talking stained glass, etc. Or are these 'other' windows elsewhere? Location (weather) and window orientation are major factors in choosing proper glass.

There ain't NO free lunch. Not no how, not no where!

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by jimblodgett in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:26

Frames do matter, Clewless1.  I'm pretty sure that's what is holding many window companies from getting below U.2 with fiberglass.

 

 

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by Clewless1 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 23:43

I don't disagree w/ you. You misunderstood. Once you choose frame, though, my point is, people frequently ignore the glass. And out of the entire window assembly, it is the glass itself that controls much of the heat loss/gain. I'm not trying to minimize frame qualities or say they aren't important. Assuming relatively similar (within reason) quality of frames, the biggest factor will be the glass choice, though in the overall performance and ability to control sun and heat loss.

There ain't NO free lunch. Not no how, not no where!

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by Piffin in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 18:06

channel/poccket design in FG frames makes a large diff in conductivity so it is not just the glass. No reason to focus only on one and not the other

 

 


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by Clewless1 in reply to Anonymous [original] on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 23:43

Fully agree ... see my previous post in this thread.

There ain't NO free lunch. Not no how, not no where!

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by Jeff_Clarke in reply to whiteninja [original] on Sat, 07/18/2009 - 01:44

I wouldn't use Pella.


I would suggest you take a look at Marvin Integrity commercial if it's fiberglas that you want (pultruded in Marvin's case).


http://www.integritywindows.com/?page=Commercial_Construction


 


 


Jeff

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by Jay20 in reply to whiteninja [original] on Tue, 07/21/2009 - 22:41

http://www.southwall.com/southwall/Home.html


http://www.milgard.com/


http://www.thermotechwindows.com/


http://www.efficientwindows.org/selection.cfm


http://www.duxtonwindows.com/


 


http://www.fiberglass-windows.com/fiberglass-manufacturers.html


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=92367&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1076540&highlight=


 


Some sites to obtain info to help.