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Town Home Project (post #130100)

Greetings all:


I haven't done a thread like this before.  The idea is to go thorough the on-site sequence of events necessary to build this town home project.  There is a lot of planning and paperwork that goes on in the background, but that doesn't make for interesting pics...  Notice I say "home" rather than house...  I try and remember to use that terminology when dealing with potential home buyers and home owners.  I feel the word "home" evokes a different feeling than "house".  These are considered starter homes, so don't expect to see any exquisite wood work or anything like that.


Anyway I'll start by posting a few pics of what the end product is going to look like.  Right now I am building just 1 bldg of 5 units.  (I'm happy to have work)  We have already built 2 bldgs, so this gives you an idea of where we are headed.


I'll try and keep this thread up, but sometimes I'm sure I will get busy actually doing my job and forget to take pics.  Also, this posting stuff can be time consuming.


Below is the first installment.  Some completed homes.


BTW - re the size of the picture files, I'm not gonna optimize them.  Sorry - too much time.  Hopefully the size will work for everyone OK.  For you IE users, if you right click on the pic and choose "open in new window" it might work better for you.


Edited 8/29/2009 8:08 am ET by Matt

Matt

(post #130100, reply #1 of 72)

Looking at the resolution on those first pics now I remember why I don't normally take pics at low res.  I'm gonna keep with it though so as to get the smaller file sizes with out having to "diddle" with the pics....


Surveying


We bought the lots in "slab ready" condition, so the first step on-site is to get the surveyor out there to mark the locations of the building corners, etc.


Attached are a few "surveyor pics".  I had them supply me with a "control point" elevation, that I set the slab elevations off of - since that is a field call.  In the pic with the white stake in it, that is one of my slab elevations I set.  I set one white stob (southern for stake) for each unit to get the concrete guys headed in the direction I want them to go.  The site has a slight side to side grade, so each unit is 8" higher than the one directly adjacent.


This thing about setting the elevation is important.  One thing about building slab foundation houses if you want them up out of the ground as much as possible, but at the same time you don't want to end up spending a bunch of $$$$ on extra gravel and concrete to build them up.  We did take a "hit: here, but I again, I wanted to get the houses up some.  The "slab ready" lots weren't as level as they could be, and of course the engineers and graders didn't really do what I told them to do way back when.  I used my rotating laser level to take probably 50 different elevation "shots" and then put all the data in a spread sheet and ran different scenarios to see how to get the best result, while minimizing the purchase of extra materials.  The height difference between TH units can be critical as you have to make sure the roof lines meet up properly.  We have an 8" step between units.


The last pic actually spills over into the next topic, but you can see all the survey marks (there were probably 30 or 40 of them, and my grade stakes in the foreground.

Matt

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(post #130100, reply #2 of 72)

Thanks for starting this.

The exterior trim packages look similar to some non-attached homes you posted here previously. Are these in the same neighborhood, or just a common style where you are?

'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

(post #130100, reply #3 of 72)

Somewhat of a common style.  Some the newer neighborhoods tend to have this "quasi craftsman" look.  We are a fairly small builder so it helps if we have somewhat of a different product than the nationals.   The single family homes in this neighborhood are similar.  There are a tital of something like 4 builders in there.  Not really sure who is still in business though....


Those "city houses" I posted in another thread were in the city and were supposed to have somewhat of a historic look.   When I grow up I'd like to build real new-old "historic" houses.  Need someone to fund me first though.


The bright colors go over well in some neighborhoods.  Other neighborhoods are all light tan, med tan, light gray, med gray, off white, etc.  

Matt

(post #130100, reply #5 of 72)

The townhouses are kind of nice.  I like the differences you have between them.

(post #130100, reply #8 of 72)

Yea - there was another builder in the neighborhood about 3 years ago who built a more generic looking TH.  They failed.  In a good economy.  At lease ours are selling. although not as quickly as we need them to...  I've built a bunch of generic looking vinyl siding houses.  No pics here though... ;-)

Matt

(post #130100, reply #7 of 72)

Here are some pics I took today in this neighborhood I'm working in.  This will give you more of a flavor of what the neighborhood is like.  These are built by other builders.    It is one of these planned community that has a a variety of size houses and is supposed to have shops and services right there - we will see.  There is a 10 acre town park that is right on the edge of starting.  It is right across the street from the townhomes and I saw the surveyors over there the other day.  The main guy showed me the plan.  Looked pretty nice.  They are saving some 42" and 44" oaks and similar.


When the RE agent told me that some of those "cottage" homes are only 16' wide I said "I doubt it" or similar.  They really are though and actually sell OK.  Some are 3 story with some kind of bonus room or whatever you want to call it on the 3rd floor.


To my eye, I like these kind of houses.  The pic #8 the DW and I looked at and could almost see us living there.  The neighborhood is like an hour from where we live now...

Matt

(post #130100, reply #9 of 72)

Matt,

I noticed that the completed townhouses & some single family houses in other pics don't have gutters. Looks like the hip roofed porches would be dumping rain right on the neighbor's porch. Is that standard practice there?

Do the townhouses or single family houses that you show have basements?

Ed

(post #130100, reply #10 of 72)

check out the first post.  Slab on grade!

(post #130100, reply #12 of 72)

oops!.........guess there's a reason they call me the "big dummy"........

(post #130100, reply #14 of 72)

No, typical reading on the computor.  I do it all the time>G<

(post #130100, reply #11 of 72)

Basements are rare here.  Gutters are very common in our area but not in that neighborhood - not sure why.  Maybe something to do with the look they are trying to achieve.  Every house (TH) plan has to be approved by this architect guy.  There are architectural guide lines that is maybe 15 pages.

Matt

(post #130100, reply #4 of 72)

do you remember the source for your round columns seen on the front porches?

(post #130100, reply #6 of 72)

http://www.hbgcolumns.com/?gclid=CPKllb_iyZwCFR2dnAodfkQ-Kw


All the building supplies around here sell 'em.

Matt

(post #130100, reply #13 of 72)

Thanks Matt. I'm looking forward to this!


Runnerguy

(post #130100, reply #15 of 72)

We actually started this 2 weeks ago so I have some more progress to report already...


Boxing the monoslabs


In this step the concrete guy, using the surveyors marks "boxes" the slabs.  What he does is installs his form boards on 3 sides to set up a reference, both horizontal and elevation, so that the plumber can come in there and install his under slab piping and get his risers where the toilet, sinks, and 2nd floor stack, etc, needs to be.  The 4th side is left open so that the plumber can drive his excavator in there to dig his pipe trenches that end up under the house.    


Pic 005 Eddie on his machine with his helper and the rod of the laser level.  All forms are set using the laser.


Bldg 4 Footprint A quick sketch of approx the building footprint - actually made for another purpose and is another building.  The layout gets a little complicated - especially since the sketch doesn't show the brick pockets, which have to be built into the forms.  The unit foundations will have brick on the front and the exterior sides of the bldg.


Pic 004 Jumping ahead a bit, the back profile of the building boxing.  They do the entire back and 2 outer sides, and then fill in the interior sides that delineate each TH unit form the adjacent one.   In the pic you see the guy in white holding the rod with the laser sensor on it and you can see the laser over on the left.


Pic 003
Form board corner lined up with a surveyor's pin.  Notice the expertly crafted joinery :-).  BTW - you see that the form boards are re-used and pretty cruddy.  They don't use any kind of form release lubricant because they strip the forms after the concrete has taken it's initial set - like maybe 3 or 4 hours into the pour, so the concrete hasn't had a chance to really get hard enough for the forms to be really stuck.  Stripping the forms ASAP allows them to finish the sides of the slab and make them look nice since the sides will show in some areas.


Pic 002 More digging and dressing it up with a shovel.  This concrete guy has a mini excavator, but there is still a fair amount of hand digging.  Another concrete guy I have digs everything by hand as his only machine is a skid steer.  I think this project might be a little beyond his capabilities.   I need it in fast enough so we don't end up with footer excavations full of rain water. 


Selecting subs is often a matter of getting the right guy for the job - even though most subs will say "we do it all".    Sometimes this means the right sized crew.  We have a much larger concrete sub that does our larger projects - but he is likely more expensive - they have an office with office help, an estimator, and all kinds of heavy equipment.   Don't really need all that for this job... 


Pic 006 Setting up a batter board for one of the interior sides.  Should have had more of these previously, but I missed part of the process.  Setting up batter boards is actually the first thing they do.


Edited to remove some extra pics - no way to do it when first typing the posting.


Edited 9/3/2009 7:13 pm ET by Matt


Edited 9/3/2009 7:15 pm ET by Matt

Matt

(post #130100, reply #16 of 72)

Plumbing underslab work


Pic 001 This is a 2 pipe system.  What that means is that the upstream manhole in the street top rim is below the 1st floor finished floor elevation.  So the first floor requires a backflow valve to prevent sewage from backing up into the house in case the municipal sewage system gets backed up.  The 2nd floor does not need to be on the backflow valve, so it just has a test 'T' in it.  in the pic there is a cleanout 'Y' in the foreground.  The house foundation is toward the back of the pic.  The cleanout will be in the front yard.  The backflow valve and access box will be just in front of the front porch in the flower bed.


Pic 002  Another pic of the backflow valve (the larger one) and the test 'T'. 


Pic 003 The waste pipes are sleeved where they go under the footer.


Pic 006 Pipe & fittings scattered around the boxed house slab area.


Pic 007 Jamie priming and gluing the PVC pipe.


Pic 011 The plumbers torpedo level is used a lot during the underslab work.


Pic 013 Ricky prepares to dig the sewer & water trench out to the street (which is behind him)


Pic 015  The completed sewer line.  I was probably standing on the curb when I took this one.


Pic 018  A Blowup test ball is installed in the test 'T'.  Picture doesn't show the test ball itself, it is in the pipe and is made out of the same stuff a tire intertube is made of.  You see the long "valve stem hanging out out of the test 'T', and the retrieval chain which is used to pull the test ball out.  The water line is toward the top of the pic.


Pic 019  Jamie wraps the toilet waste pipe where it will emerge from the slab.  The wrap is later removed so the toilet flange can be installed.  In the foreground the 2nd floor stack and water main are protected where the will emerge from the slab.


Pic 020 Properly bedded pipes.  After the plumbing inspection they will be covered with dirt.  Since the dirt at this site is fairly clean (not much rock at all) bedding the pipe in dirt is fine.  On rocky sites the pipe needs to be bedded in screenings (very fine gravel) - which is just more $$$.


Pic 025 Jamie fills a test stack with water.


Pic 021 Look closely and you will see that the cheap test plugs don't always hod very well.


Pic 022 The fix for that.


Now time to wait for the plumbing inspection....  After it passes the plumber will cover his pipes and trenches with dirt.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Matt

(post #130100, reply #17 of 72)

Plumbing underslab work

Pic 001 This is a 2 pipe system. What that means is that the upstream manhole in the street top rim is below the 1st floor finished floor elevation. So the first floor requires a backflow valve to prevent sewage from backing up into the house in case the municipal sewage system gets backed up. The 2nd floor does not need to be on the backflow valve, so it just has a test 'T' in it. in the pic there is a cleanout 'Y' in the foreground. The house foundation is toward the back of the pic. The cleanout will be in the front yard. The backflow valve and access box will be just in front of the front porch in the flower bed.

Pic 002 Another pic of the backflow valve (the larger one) and the test 'T'.

Pic 003 The waste pipes are sleeved where they go under the footer.

Pic 006 Pipe & fittings scattered around the boxed house slab area.


Pic 007 Jamie priming and gluing the PVC pipe.


Pic 011 The plumbers torpedo level is used a lot during the underslab work.

Pic 013 Ricky prepares to dig the sewer & water trench out to the street (which is behind him)

Pic 015 The completed sewer line. I was probably standing on the curb when I took this one.

Pic 018 A Blowup test ball is installed in the test 'T'. Picture doesn't show the test ball itself, it is in the pipe and is made out of the same stuff a tire intertube is made of. You see the long "valve stem hanging out out of the test 'T', and the retrieval chain which is used to pull the test ball out. The water line is toward the top of the pic.

Pic 019 Jamie wraps the toilet waste pipe where it will emerge from the slab. The wrap is later removed so the toilet flange can be installed. In the foreground the 2nd floor stack and water main are protected where the will emerge from the slab.

Pic 020 Properly bedded pipes. After the plumbing inspection they will be covered with dirt. Since the dirt at this site is fairly clean (not much rock at all) bedding the pipe in dirt is fine. On rocky sites the pipe needs to be bedded in screenings (very fine gravel) - which is just more $$$.

Pic 025 Jamie fills a test stack with water.


Pic 021 Look closely and you will see that the cheap test plugs don't always hod very well.


Pic 022 The fix for that.


Now time to wait for the plumbing inspection.... After it passes the plumber will cover his pipes and trenches with dirt.

 


Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

 

Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

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(post #130100, reply #18 of 72)

Thanks Jon.  Do you have to post the pics on another web site to get them to show up in the post like that?  Either way - what is the quickest way to get that result?  Myabe the thread would gnenrate some interest If I did that?


Edited 9/2/2009 7:08 am ET by Matt

Matt

(post #130100, reply #19 of 72)

Kudos to Matt and Jon


Nice thread Matt ... nice photo formatting Jon

(post #130100, reply #20 of 72)

Hey bud - haven't seen you around for a while - or maybe I just wasn't looking...  FYI, I've been to a few green building classes and got a certificate from the HBA for that, but just need to get a project that is funded to be green...

Matt

(post #130100, reply #21 of 72)

Nice thread. Man, is that real red dirt? If it is, you don't know how lucky you are.

Are you going to insulate the slabs?

Where have you been eating?<g>

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(post #130100, reply #25 of 72)

Yea... I been meaning to call ya... been busy trying to get these slabs in...  Tomorrow is mostly just a materials delivery day so how about then?  Come next Wednesday and I'll be slamed with the framers 12hrs a day 6 days a week for 3 weeks... can hardely wait. :-) 

Matt

(post #130100, reply #28 of 72)

I'll be ready to take a break from back framing... if I haven't nailed myself to anything, I'll give you a call.

We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up

www.tvwsolar.com

The Village Woodworks, Inc

Chapel Hill, NC

 

We'll have a kid Or maybe we'll rent one He's got to be straight We don't want a bent one He'll drink his baby brew From a big brass cup Someday he may be president If things loosen up

(post #130100, reply #22 of 72)

Hey Matt,


I have not been around Breaktime very much... I have been obsessing as usual.


It used to be airtightness and ventilation... then Passivhaus ... and now it is Low Energy Enclosures.


I am slowly coming to my senses and trying to think more affordable and realistic....


That's what I like about your attitude.....


you tend to think in terms of the real world.


Keep up the good work.


John Brooks


 


 

(post #130100, reply #23 of 72)

It was a pain, it probably took me 20 minutes in all. Part of that was getting my batch conversion settings right with Irfanview.

If you're not using Irfanview, you could really cut down on the time it takes to edit the photos. If you have them on your computer already (which you obviously do) you can create a new folder, copy & paste the photos you are going to post, and do a "batch conversion". You can resize them all so they are easy to load for the dial-up luddites.

Once that's done, you just have to edit the post after you've attached everything and add the pictures to the post (that's assuming you're using Internet Explorer).

Let me know if you have any questions.

 


Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

 

Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

(post #130100, reply #24 of 72)

OK - I didn't know about the batch editing of photos in Infraview.  I need to try that.  Really though, my Q was how did you imded the images right inbetween the text like that as opposed to just having the icons at the bottom?

Matt

(post #130100, reply #31 of 72)

Matt,<P>

If you're using Firefox, it is a little more tricky. You have to use HTML formatting, which I'm using in this post even though I'm not clicking on the "Check here if HTML tags are in the message" box below the lower "post" button.<P>

To embed a pic, you need to get the URL for that picture. It can be uploaded to Taunton's server, a photo sharing site like Flickr or Smugmug, or just an image on the web from somewhere. For instance, if I wanted to post the logo of the greatest team in baseball, I would add this to my post:<P>

<img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ec/NLC-CHC-Logo.png/100px-NLC-CHC-Logo.png>

<P>
To embed a link in Firefox, you need the following tags:<P>

<a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Cubs>Cubs link</a>

<P>
the "<img src=> and <a href=></a> are the HTML parts, you just add your link after the "=" sign to point to the right web page. With the embedded links, the text that goes between the two brackets (see the Cubs link above) is the text that you click on to go to the link. So I would put <a href=www.urlhere.com>This is the link that you would click on</a> to take you to urlhere.com.<P>

The "<P>" just starts a new paragraph.<P>

Clear as mud?

 


Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

 

Jon Blakemore

RappahannockINC.com

Fredericksburg, VA

(post #130100, reply #34 of 72)

I do know some HTML and know about href tags etc, but that is a bit cumbersome.   I don't want to have to think - much :-)


I use IE though.  I'll tried your second suggestion above on one of my previous posts (above).   It worked but I still don't have it perfected.  From what I see so far it looks like I need to create the post with the pics attached on the bottom as icons.  Then look at the post and open the pics in several new windows.  Then edit the post and copy and paste the pics back into the post....  Seems like there would be a way to do it all in one step.  I think my problem is that you said "open the pics in a new window".  Open with what?  When I double click on a pic in one of my file folders, the default picture viewer is M/S pic and FAX viewer.  Can't copy from there....  What am I missing here?  I tried just opening them in IE and it looked like it worked, but then when I went back a viewed the post I suffered from the dreaded broken picture icon blues... :-(


BTW - do you know what settings you used for the batch edits in infraview?


Edited 9/3/2009 7:51 pm ET by Matt

Matt

(post #130100, reply #35 of 72)

Hope I didn't jinx your pour<G>

We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up

www.tvwsolar.com

The Village Woodworks, Inc

Chapel Hill, NC

 

We'll have a kid Or maybe we'll rent one He's got to be straight We don't want a bent one He'll drink his baby brew From a big brass cup Someday he may be president If things loosen up

(post #130100, reply #36 of 72)

Nah... it was all good.... I met with the framer later and gave him an idea of the problem and he said we would work through it.  I'll have the bricklayers take up some of the slack.  My current prob is that my brick didn't show up today.  My bad though.  I didn't order until 2 days ago.

Matt