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New AMERICAN Skilsaw?

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I've finally saved enough change for a new saw, a 15 amp, 7-1/4" Magnesium Skilsaw (Mod. SHD77M) that I've wanted for a long time. Unfortunately, most are made in China, Arghh. One distributor called Skil and was told they're made in Alabama--well not the one they shipped me. There it was hidden on the bottom "Assembled in China", on the motor plate too. Back it went.

Six internet retailers I talked to didn't seem interested enough to dig into the subject enough to make a sale. I've seen the standard 77's at Menard boasting an American flag, but are any of the Mag one built here?

Can anyone point me to a retailer that will sell me a Skilsaw made in America?

TIA

(post #127345, reply #33 of 50)

how many rubber trees you seen in the US?

(post #127345, reply #35 of 50)

None that I know of.


Why?


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A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.

Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.


http://www.quittintime.com/

 


(post #127345, reply #37 of 50)

Just another example of a product which cannot be totally American made. Some body buys rubber that is harvested abroad to make American tires.

(post #127345, reply #39 of 50)

I'd rather buy tires made of imported rubber than imported Chinese tires. The Chinese tires are known to be disastrous.

I did have some Michelin tires once that made 80,000 miles on an Aerostar before wearing through but the factory Firestones on the Ranger went about as far. And I know Yokohama and some other Asian tires are great.

My cousin had a job at a local tire manufacturer until they ceased operations. It's not nice work, but it paid his bills. He never finished high school. Where are people like him going to find work? He runs a towmotor at a warehouse now moving Chinese goods.

(post #127345, reply #46 of 50)

is there any natural rubber in tires anymore? - I don't think so - all petro-chemical wizardry -

I grow fruit and sell locally - but my inputs are from all over -

dunno -

but I always figured that 'free trade' would be a race to the bottom - and it still appears that way to me - -

"there's enough for everyone"
"there's enough for everyone"

(post #127345, reply #47 of 50)

I often wondered which is better for the country:

1. A foreign owned company that has plants here, like Honda.

or

2. A domestic company that outsources manufacturing, such as Powermatic now.

The worlds largest floating crane, manufactured for construction of the new SF Bay Bridge at a cost of $50 million, just arrived in SF. Made in China. It never ends.

John

(post #127345, reply #17 of 50)

I my self am only 27 years old and only in the last 2 years got my head far enough out of my a**  to care about where products I bought were made.  I am disgusted with the way corporations have sold out the american worker, who is the foundation of what his product name was built upon.  Now they are supporting foreign economies in which workers are paid CRUMBS a day to work in crud conditioins with cheap materials.  Then the American government gives these companies tax incentives to do so??????  I am so sickened by this.  And where does that leave the american worker?  God damn the corporate greed that has brought this country from an industrial titan to a nation borrowing money from the new king of industry-CHINA-just to pay its damn bills.  Help Help.  Somebody Help!  How long until the food you buy at the supermarket comes from another country?  It seems like thats the one thing the corporate slime hasn't found a way to outsource....yet.

(post #127345, reply #18 of 50)

All in the name of twelve pair of tube socks for $2.99

Given a long enough perspective, China's growth is self
defeating also. Our history of economic growth and resulting
gluttonous lifestyles is very probably there future.

Coupled with internal strife and international competition
for natural resources, I don't see them enjoying forty years
of easy expansion as we have.

The situation wherein it is cheaper to ship goods around the globe
then to manufacture them locally is predicated on false assumptions and short sightedness.

(post #127345, reply #41 of 50)

And those 12 pair of socks will last through at least three washings! Some of their clothing, including shoes, is like "wear once and throw away."

(post #127345, reply #42 of 50)

Don't wash em :)

(post #127345, reply #21 of 50)

Just a thought.

Ever think about just where the US shipped all of it's product when we were the giant?

yep, to the rest of the world... pay backs are hell aren't they.


They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

Life is Good

(post #127345, reply #49 of 50)

"Just a thought.

Ever think about just where the US shipped all of it's product when we were the giant?

yep, to the rest of the world... pay backs are hell aren't they."

Another thought...

Maybe it's because they didn't have products that were comparable to the quality and price of what we were producing at the time. Again, just a thought.

(post #127345, reply #23 of 50)

Shoot, LOTS of food is from elsewhere..Grapes from Chile, peppers from Mexico, garlic from China, cheese from Italy and France.


It IS a global economy these days, like it or not.  As I said earlier, how many things do you think are robotically assembled vs. "hand made". You would be amazed at the amount of American jobs , lost to automation..and the reason automation is effective is that robots don't get vacation, complain about health ins, hours, pay, retirement, come in hungover, take smoke breaks, use the can, or even eat lunch.


Add the quality and reliablity in and whats not to love? Oh yeah, your brother in law that dropped out of school can't get a job on a production line..oh well. Learn how to program robots, and suddenly he has job again, but that means he has to actually complete some education..some don't or can't fathom that.


There really is no good or bad about American vs "other country" made..its all inbetween..for one thing, shipping alone provides jobs for the unpackers. More transport, more oil..see where this is going?


If you are a die hard "Made In the U.S.A." you better plan on making it your self, from the raw materials to recycle what ya have left over. Hardly likely it's gonna happen now.


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Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations


 


They kill Prophets, for Profits.


 


 

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(post #127345, reply #26 of 50)

I am frustrated too.  But, look closely at the food labels you buy.  Especially produce.  Apples from New Zealand, squash from Mexico, etc.  The only way to beat it is to buy local food as often as possible.


My awakening was in 1992- I was 19, driving around with a group of friends and two packs of firecrackers.  (I did a little whooping it up in my youth).  My friends and I started looking at the package and sure enough, it was from China.  That wasn't the problem.  The problem was that these things are produced in China, shipped to New Hampshire, passing through middle men every step of the way who all mark the price up, and still they are being sold for less than a penny a piece.  My concern was, how much quality control goes in for that price?  What guarantee do I have that this thing isn't going to blow my fingers off?  My friends and I called it the "Cheap fire cracker economic principle." 


Here I am 16 years later and I often think about that argument.  Just how much quality control is in these factories?


 


(Follow up on that day- One United States made mailbox will contain the blast of 12 Chinese fire crackers.  Sorry Mr. Billings)


I meditate, I burn candles, I drink green tea, and still I want to smack someone.

I meditate, I burn candles, I drink green tea, and still I want to smack someone.

(post #127345, reply #40 of 50)

Sorry to tell you, (I haven't read past your post, so maybe others have already popped your bubble), but lots of food comes from other countries--lots of produce from Mexico (hence the problems with fecal contamination), lots of grapes come from South America (maybe other fruits?), many apples come from Japan. I live in Michigan where I can get fresh apples in season that are grown within 10 miles of my house, yet the stores are full of apples from Washington. If I want locla apples, my best bet is to go to the Farmers Market on Wednesday and Saturday mornings (better produce there anyway!).


Someonw should do everyone a favor and start a web site with a name like Americanmade or something and list all the products made in the USA. Sort of like Snopes and they would research to make surew the products weren't just packaged in USA (or I've even heard of "Made in USA" on a box because the box (and only the box) was made in America!

(post #127345, reply #43 of 50)

www.shopforamerica.com


www.madeinusa.org


www.madeinusa.com


http://stillmadeinusa.com/


www.usstuff.com


www.unionlabel.org


www.allamericanclothing.com


http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/index.cfm


http://www.shopunionmade.org/


http://www.unionlabel.com/           -a personal favorite-


You can see that there are many american made products  still available.  The problem is that no one knows how to buy them.  Nor do they understand the serious problem that globalization and outsourcing of jobs is creating.  When they lose their job to a China man, they'll get the picture.  If all of us joined togeather and bought american made goods, the spread sheets would tell the corporate slime that we have smartened up and if they want to sell it, americans better be making it.  And you know what, I'll pay the extra buck or two for quality product that won't wear out in 2 months of use for something that lasts a year!  I'll support my country men, support the LOCAL economy.  In doing so I support my future and my family's future.


They can take their $3 tube socks and shove them up their a**.


Watch this video- it helps you to understand if you don't.


http://www.carpenters.org/home/welcome.html         - click on the link below the short one minute video for the full 10 minute version.  No matter your stance on union labor, this video is relevant to you as a tradesman.


Here's a direct link(i think, im no computer genius)----


http://api.smugmug.com/gallery/6604539_3EfpM#420905964_9Kfcg-A-LB


God bless the labor unions.  I was non union for 6 years.  Things have improved dramatically for me since then.  Maybe there are some guys reading this that feel like they can't get a fair shake-  you are not alone.  You deserve more- and there is a real way to get it.  I am worth EVERY PENNY.


Edited 3/14/2009 9:48 am ET by hammer102


Edited 3/14/2009 10:02 am ET by hammer102

(post #127345, reply #44 of 50)

That video boils my blood...  We need to open the eyes of others if we are to see a change in the state of affairs.  God Bless America.

(post #127345, reply #50 of 50)

Thanks for the links. Good to have them--I printed your post so I can check the web sites (if I can ever afford to buy anything again!). I do have change in my pocket though, thanks to our new take care of you from cradle to grave government. Yup, he gave us change all right!

(post #127345, reply #48 of 50)

"I my self am only 27 years old and only in the last 2 years got my head far enough out of my a** to care about where products I bought were made. I am disgusted with the way corporations have sold out the american worker, who is the foundation of what his product name was built upon. Now they are supporting foreign economies in which workers are paid CRUMBS a day to work in crud conditioins with cheap materials. Then the American government gives these companies tax incentives to do so?????? I am so sickened by this. And where does that leave the american worker? God damn the corporate greed that has brought this country from an industrial titan to a nation borrowing money from the new king of industry-CHINA-just to pay its damn bills. Help Help. Somebody Help! How long until the food you buy at the supermarket comes from another country? It seems like thats the one thing the corporate slime hasn't found a way to outsource....yet."

I was in the grocery store the other day and they had signs up in the meat department proclaiming that the meat could come from USA, Canada, or Mexico - not to mention the produce coming from South America. It's happening everywher my friend. It makes me just as sad...

(post #127345, reply #36 of 50)

Years ago i went to pawn shops and bought old worm drives.

I like the old ones.

My tool guy said the worm gears were much better back then.

I know its not the Mag, Light ones but i like the 6 and one half inch saws, A bit lighter and shorter.

I still use my dads worm drive he bought in 1947.