nice couple last summer called and said they’d like to talk about building a house.. we met… budget seemed right…. plans needed a redesign..
about the third design we agreed… a 32 x 44 Cape, with a 12×14 breezeway…. and a 28×28 garage…
one twist…. their neighbors claimed to own the land.. seems my customers bought their land at the bottom of a hill on a large pond, about 1990..
three years later, someone bought the abutting house up the hill … on the other side of a 40′ paper road owned by the town.
they proceeded to mow about a 20′ strip of my customer’s land … and plant a small garden on it ( in other words… 60′ beyond their property line)
about 2000, my customers began to actively start construction….. they needed Coastal Assents ( because of the pond…. a coastal “feature” ).. they needed Zoning… they needed a sewer hookup ( 700′ pump-up to the sewer at the top of the hill)……hired an Engineer… and a Designer……. and committed to a Contractor for a 34 x 55 Cape….
then the abutter took them to court claiming adverse possesion of the 20′ strip.. which of course would cloud the title, and reverse the Zoning assent… well , the judge threw it out….. denied all of their claims…
anyways… they are both lawyers, so they continuously harrass my customers with motions and verbal abuse…
here’s what the site looks like
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we finally got all of the contract documents and plans, and got a start date from my digger...
met with the building inspector.. he wants silt fence and stoned construction driveway before we start excavation
we show up and the abutter has the driveway blocked with his minivan
here's his van... right next to green line he claims to be the land he got thru adverse possession
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here's the real property line...right thru that pile of loam, about 20' up the hill
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so we call the cops ( who are very familiar with this case )..
they call the Town Engineer, and the Building Inspector... they come out and stake out the paper road, and show the cops where the propert lines are
then they tell us to call a tow truck.. just as the tow truck is about to hook up , they guy comes out of his house and moves the van back to his driveway..
cops leave...
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Those neighbors home during the day, Mike? You got a loud radio? Maybe a couple old Richard Prior tapes lying around?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
hey, this was December 15th... lot's of activity since then...
dug the const. drive....
even had a supervisor... this seagull hung around everytime we turned over some loam... after the worms... he also got my doughnuts !
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stripped the loam,
laid out the grades and offsets with my trusty K&E
and got the stone in the hole so joe could set and pour his footings
then we boogied for NC and christmas with the kids and the grandson
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looks like you are doing it already - log/record every provocation - hard to imagine this one not being contested again, repeatedly -
othewise it looks like a plum job - please keep us updated on progress -
regards -
Edit to add: I see that your project is changing the abutters view -
"there's enough for everyone"
Edited 1/5/2006 11:19 pm ET by DavidxDoud
dude got a Temporary Restraining Order served on my customer... we were not to "contact, harrass, or provoke him "
Tuesday, the judge dismissed that and set a date for a jury trial , consolidating the claims and counterclaims....
me... i'll peacefully build the house... of course, the guy still parks just as close as he can to incoinvenience the access to the job...
but , one thing's for sure... we have been real lucky with this weather.. it was 40 deg. today...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Best of luck Mike.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
anyways... cops leave... guy comes back out and starts taking pictures of everything..., including me... walks over and tells me he'll own everything i have... and everything my excavator has..
here he is taking my picture of me taking a picture of him
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then he goes back in the house, and comes out .. drives across his lawn and parks right next to the backhoe.. hoping he can provoke my digger into damaging his car..
we call the cops , they come out and tell him to move again ( he made the mistake of parking 3' over the property line )
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ROAR!!!! You still got it buddy!
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Should be a real joy of a job. I can only imagine! What a duche bag.
And I thought fences were a problem. I've seen fights like you wouldn't believe because of fences...this has to be killer!
Good luck, and good night, and watch yer back...
Bewarned
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides, I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace. I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
anyways... NC was great... 14 hours down and 14 hours back....
Roy was glad to see me , said he didn't like dealing with the abutters
the weather screwed around with us and last week we finally set the forms for the house & breezeway....
then poured... all of the mixers in our area are front-discharge now
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the back wall was inaccessible.. so we helped the form guys pull the mix around to the drop and across the low area.... saved a pump charge..
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Joe stripped the forms on Monday.... and Tuesday we snapped the ties and coated the foundation
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rain yesterday.. and today started out with rain.. so we had a Safety Meeting at Tommy's Diner ( "scaffolding " was today's topic .. conducted by our safety officer , Chuck ).. then started putting the sill on , while Randy was hauling gravel
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set the sills
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and stoned the garage area so Joe can set and pour his footings tomorrow
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Mike in picture 13, whats the Green Drum on the left, You guys play Bingo or something @ lunch time?
Here to hoping the Pats make it to Denver on the 15th!
glen...
that's his compost maker... and his loam pile... part of his Adverse Possession attemptView Image
first thing we did was pick up his loam pile and dump it on his lawn....
those "weeds" in the foreground are her "flower garden ...
this is her on her deck , taking my picture ... then she came down and asked my name.. told her i wasn't allowed to talk to her because of her restraining order ( heh, heh, heh )
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You say they're both lawyers?Judging by the appearance of their lot and house, the law must not have been very good to them?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
we went 287 and then 77 thru the mountains..... best time we've made so far..
Safety Meetings: i hate sending the guys home, so if we don't have inside work, we go to a diner, and have the Safety Officer give us a tail-gate talk on the topic of the day.. by that time , it's either work or go home..today was scaffolding and a chourice ommelet
we have two guys qualified as OSHA 10 certified now..
i'm going to schedule one more for a lead hazard awareness class... since we're supposed to comply witht he lead laws on any home built before 1978Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Sorry to keep askin' Southern Questions ...
a chourice ommelet
What's a chourice?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
chourico... ( chourice ) ....portuguese sausageMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Traditional Mexican sausage is chorizo, and it's good and greasy
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
in San Antonio it's chorizo
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
choritzzo is the spanish version - hottest darn sausage I've ever eaten! I thought it was a choice omelet at first read. Good idea on the safety meetings when day runs short or weather rains you out. Like that one.
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As Rodney King said a few years ago "cant we all just get along"hehe
Built a house for self & family in 94. Lost 2000 sq.ft. of land, along with a 2 year court battle. Then had to live next to the Jag for many years. I was an angry man for many years.
Each state is different, so I hope it all works out.
Long story, but I sleep well nights, One passed on few years after they stuck it to me. The other is in a nursing home, people like that get whats comming sooner then later.
What's a paper road? You guyz don't know how to lay asphalt or sumpin' ?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Hmmm, I hate to judge a book by it's cover...but how successful is that attorney causing all the problems? By the looks of it he hasn't won many cases.
At least not the one against his landscaper!
with the center beam loaded, we did final level and measured and cut the lally colums with my 4" pipe cutter i bought in '76....
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then we set them in place...these are 4" , bigger than our usual 3.5"..
Simpson makes a special saddle bracket for the beam joint
and we have an extra heavy load at this point... which required double lallys ( or a structural steel column )
so, this is the last sunset this basement will see...
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the guys ran the rim board and started laying the 3/4 Advantech
i went over to the corner and started scratching my head about framing the walkout baywindow
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and the obligatory tate shot ..
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Mike, are you doing everything from frame to finish? How long do you think you will be on this job?--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
dustin.. everything..
i figure May or June...depending on how things goMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
everything..
I'm jealous. When I was a helper/apprentice in my Grandfather's company we used to do it all. I went on my own, and specialized in trim/finish work. Now, I'm trying to expand back to the design/build/remodel retail market, but it's going slow. Lots of big name builders around here with good marketing, and crappy homes.
Nice project.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
i know what you mean.. we used to build 2 or 3 homes a year..
but the last one i built was 1990......
i like building new homes, but it takes a special customer for usMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike:
Looks awesome, I love the fact that everything is neat and organized. Looks "professional". Keep up the great job and the photos.
BILL
Roy could have been an electrician, no butt.
Hub wants to take a sojourn. You want this novice to tag along?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
we discussed a long weekend, either 18th or 25th of February..
NC, or SC.. Helen can make the arrangements if you're inMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Alright, I'll get together with hub. I have a feeling my workload might prohibit anything but the end of Feb, but I'll see what I can fenagle. Then too is the potential for the sweetheart to already have some plans for me...........upcoming wedding and all.
I remember Holly saying something of not too bad weather around his area-durham?
Nice work there Mike, enjoying the photo spread.
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Looking great Mike. Nice clean looking job so far. I like it. But where's the forklift and chainsaws? You can't frame without a forklift and a chainsaw, ya know? <G>
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brian... haven't got my mail notices yet from JLC... but you can bet we'll be there
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Sweet. I think I'm going to take another all-day intensive this year. Gary Katz and Jed Dixon are doing one on "durable and attractive exterior trim elements". It covers some other stuff as well, but that sounds like the meat of it. I think that'll be the one.
Maybe lunch at Angelo's (did I get that right?) will actually happen this year?
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What are the dates on that?
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It's only satisfying if you eat it.
yesterday was mild but some of the heaviest fog of the year
Pete got 4 more loads of gravel in, so we braced the garage foundation ss he could push over the door drop....
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finished the I-joist blocking... and the decking
and the walk-out bay
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today, Chuck and i went over, had breakfast at Tommy's ( waiting for the rain to let up )
then put calcium chloride around the rest of the footings still open, covered with hay, and tarps, mud over our boot tops, and thourougly soaked, but we're supposed to get some temps in the teens this weekend
here's the parting shot from that foggy Friday ( yesterday )
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you've had a good week, Mike! Same weather here, heavy rain today, frost still down a couple inches. Frost heaves start monday
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What's the CaCl for? Keep the footings from freezing?
Always great to "watch" your projects progress.
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exactly.. on a night in the teens we can get 6" of frost
this should give them enough heat to keep it outMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
hey, Phil....
naturally you'll be going to Andy's , right ?..... Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I haven't been paying close attention..... when/where? Thread?
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Looks like I found the thread.... Cold Spring Harbor in August, right?
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that's it..
so , we meet at last ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Yep. But I am scared of the thought of The Fest Crew loose in NY City!
Just curious - Why was the garage over-excavated so much?Around here they only dig out what they HAVE to for footings. That way it takes less fill.
I'm as strong as an ox, and almost as smart. [Jethro on Beverly Hillbillies]
I suspect Mike has soils with heavy clay contenbt like I do. That means that when wet, you excavate way back so nobody gets hurt and you don't have to build forms twice due to caveins.Also, you need gravel backfill for drainage so the wet clay does not expanmd with enough pressure to blow the walls in
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this house is on a hill ... with about 4' of pitch from front to back and i wanted a drain to daylight on the back , so that set the bottom grade of the house
then, i wanted to limit the steps from the main floor to the garage, so that set the top of foundation.. the back of the garage is just on grade, with just enough loam stripped to get to suitable bearing soil
the large amount of fill is the price we paid for those restrictionsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
This is about 7 months behind your original post but just ran across it and had a question.
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67972.134 in reply to 67972.131
this house is on a hill ... with about 4' of pitch from front to back and i wanted a drain to daylight on the back , so that set the bottom grade of the house
then, i wanted to limit the steps from the main floor to the garage, so that set the top of foundation.. the back of the garage is just on grade, with just enough loam stripped to get to suitable bearing soil
the large amount of fill is the price we paid for those restrictions"
Around here when we encounter one of those places where the garage floor needs to be elevated as you did We pour an interior ledge on the foundation wall and set "Flexicore" structural panels, pour a concrete cap and have a useful room underneath with no hole to fill or compaction concerns. The room frequently gets a small roll-up door and becomes a garage for mowers & boats. I'm wondering if you use that system there too.
Jim Andersen
yes.. there are quite a few houses with that topography on the west side of the island i live on.. i know of at least 2 that have flexicore garage floors so the can have more storage on the back side...
i always felt that it costs more money to do that, so there has to be a demonstrated need of the additional storage..
has it been your experience that that option saved money ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
yes.. there are quite a few houses with that topography on the west side of the island i live on.. i know of at least 2 that have flexicore garage floors so the can have more storage on the back side...
i always felt that it costs more money to do that, so there has to be a demonstrated need of the additional storage..
I can confirm the extra cost...in the house we're building, I wanted a floor like that mentioned above so's I could have a shop space underneath. For a 568SF garage floor the hollowcore planks are running us about $9.75/SF installed. That's before the topcoat.
Jason
Mike,
In Iowa 8" thick panels which will span up to 28' cost about $8 /sq ft delivered. A 24x28 floor would be about $5400 which is more than cost of fill. But the value of the room for equipment storeage or shops makes it pretty attractive to HO's especially for spec. houses.
Mike, I am sure you detailed it out way up front, but would you recap for me what specialties were subcontracted on this job, and which specialties were out of the scope because they are owner-performed? I know you and your employees have done all or most carpentry, but what about:
Sitework and excavation
Foundation
Drainage
Flatwork
Masonry
Plumbing
Heating
Electrical
Cabinet-making
Countertops
Wood flooring
Interior walls and finish
Painting, exterior
Painting, interior
gene...
for what it's worth:
Sitework and excavation
Foundation
Drainage
all the above were my Excavation Sub
Flatwork : subbed
Masonry : me
Plumbing
Heating :all subbed
Electrical
Cabinet-making : Legacy probably Bertch ( ? ) from my lumber company
Countertops that would be us
Wood flooring : allowance item... subbed
Interior walls and finish: you mean blueboard & skim-coat ? subbed
Painting, exterior : that would be us
Painting, interior: by Owner
we also did about half the roofing, and the gutters
so the subs were: Excavation, foundation, concrete flatwork, plumbing , heating , elec, plaster
the Owner hired the hardwood floor and is laying his own Ceramic tile and doing his own interior painting . He's also going to finish most of the 2d floor .... the drywall has been hung and the electrical wired.
The Owner also installed his own central A/C : one system in the attic and one in the basement. and he's got final grading and seeding, and asphalt paving.
so, as you can see, not much for us... i wonder what the he11 we've been doing for the last 9 months ?
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Roy was finishing up the edging and laminate on the island unit
usually we use 3/16 dowel for spacer , but i wanted to try some heavy guage hanger wire we had left over from a suspended ceiling job.. worked pretty good and ..
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none of them broke
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Chuck was casing ( PFJ ) doors we didn't have MSG casing for : biscuits & clam clamps
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... and running 5 1/2 speed base ( MDF )
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the electricians finished today also.. nice work.. good crew
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Winding down huh Mike? You sad or relieved? Depending on the job, I always feel one or the other.
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trying to get my design work and bidding done for the next one.. but the one in progress keeps taking my attentionMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Well I've got a bill to pay so let me start paying.
I come here everytime I open up the computer to see what new stuff I can learn.
I followed from the start but it's almost over, and now like an old girlfriend it's time to move on. But unlike an old girlfriend guess what? No bad memories.
So the debt is to your great effort on this house, to the energy that it takes to not only build it but add all the work it has taken to produce a wonderful book.
I felt like I was on the job the Whole time. You create a great work environment. It has been a great process. And for this and all that you have done THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.
Clay Schoelpple
P.S. I still owe you.
MikeDid the courts give a ruling yet? I hope the HO gets court and legal fees.That house needs something to protect the front door from from wind driven rain. That was one of the budget items you mentioned earlier because of legal fees.Chucklive, work, build, ...better with wood
brian.. thought you'd like to see what framers can do on trim work..
here's Chuck....
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i built a swoop jig for the two treads that have finished ends..
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( thanks to Stan )
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broke it down.... Roy is doing the risers & treads
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then he'll switch over to the crown & soffit on the kitchen cabinets....
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this is a reversible starting tread for a volute over- the- post newel
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Chuck will do the rails.. this is his cherry on the rails.. so he should have fun
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me.. i'm hiding in the office grinding designs and estimates so we'll have work next month
there's his pitch block on the island counter
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Good to have you back Mr. Smith! We were starting to think you had skipped out on us here in cyberland. Seems like you were gone for a whole week! (read: We hope you enjoyed your well earned Holiday, now post some more pictures...)
Really enjoy your thread!
Any chance of Taunton making an index for this thing? Everytime I want to show someone how you foreigners do things it takes hours to find it...LOL
here's our router setup for trim
it's a benchdog table with a PC router
and fein auto vac
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the lift table is a cast iron bench dog lift
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YEAH BABY!
I love it Mike. Is that an official M.F. Smith Associates badge tacked on to the shoulder? Man... what a package. Looks like Chuck is on some kind of an All-Star team or something. :)
Got the book on Saturday Mike... thanks much. I haven't had a chance to even open it yet, but I've scheduled in some serious couch time for this weekend.View Image
just finished Jack Reacher & the Persuader.... got me all the way to Charlotte and back thru Philly... almost into Providence
even read the little two chapter teaser at the end
now you've done it...
i'll have to get the next Reacher book... thanks... i guessMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I felt the same way. Never heard of the guy. Found it in a convenience store down on the Cape during vacation. Now I'm hooked. When I'm done with the next one, I'll be sure and pass it along.
House looks great too Mike.
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Mike,That hanger wire is a good idea... others I've heard include Venetian blind slats, or 3'-4' sections of old tape measures...
My father used to do countertops and mica work on a pretty regular basis.
The only thing that the spacer needs to do is keep the dry cement on both sides from catching before it's aligned properly. I saw times we used paper bags or even sheets of newspaper when we were in a pinch. Then again, nobody uses paper bags any more...
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
I hve tried using various kinds of paper, and it seems like the contact cement has just enough tack to make it difficult to pull out cleanly.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
When doing mall storefronts, visqueen worked well and pulled out easily.
For flatwork, I'm a venetian blind user. I have a stack of old style 7' long blinds. Meant to give them away at the fest-buried in my mind/buried in the shop.
For me, better than dowels or much anything else. Pull easily, flexible and many stack together in my lam. bucket taking up no room.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Mike
Looking good still, and looking nearly finished!
I've really enjoyed this thread, and learned a lot - I think that the sheer scope of the work you've described and pictured here has been tremendously useful for a lot of us.
Like I said to WNYGuy, who just started a verenda rebuild thread, this stuff is what I come to BT for.
Oh yeah - and blue Speedos!
What's next on the horizon, and will you do another exhaustive thread like this?
Forrest
hate to jinx it until i've got the contract..
kinda like thinking "hey, i'm 1 under after four , then you shoot a 9 on the next hole"
time will tell..
but thanks to all for the interest and kind words
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Is this one a done deal? If so, where's our final pics?
jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
Maybe he's waiting for the Grand Finale like the ending of a firework show...
I'm curious to see how he can make the climax fitting for such a great thread.
Way to go Mike!
Hi Mike,
Like all here I have been enjoying your thread immensely.Do you usually only work on one house at a time? we also try to concentrate on one project. The difficulty of making sure you have a another project ready to go can be a timing nightmare, either your ready to start and the job isn't or the next job is ready to go and your too busy! Is your next project another large one? Is the timing working out?I am fascinated by the amount of work your guys do yourselves we have specialist stair men, cabinet makers etc, it must be satisfying to do these tasks but the extra tools and time you need surely would make the job go on longer,or is this not an issue and are you able to do the work as efficiently as specialized contractors? (no need to answer if I am asking for too much private info)Sorry for more questions to add to your work load.Cheers,
Johnhttp://www.johnwalkerbuilders.com
no, john... i don't think we do all of the tasks as efficiently as specialists
but we do manage to control the job and deliver what is intended.
also.... since we make most of our money on remodeling and additions, it's important that we be multi-talented
so i will often sacrifice speed to the learning experience of developing new skills
next time we see the same problem ( and we will, sooner or later ) we have already got a notch in our belt
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Don't get me wrong I do admire your multi skilling, I wish time would allow us to be able to do more on the job, our main priority is to deliver a quality result,( as I can see yours is) then getting the client into the house is next on the list and last I hope I have made some money! Not a great business plan but it keeps us in work.Cheers,
johnhttp://www.johnwalkerbuilders.com
Roy was fitting the starting step and volute
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Mike give yourself and Chuck and Roy a pat on the back from me. I'm trying to do the same thing with my son and a friend of his. I've got a major addition and a house in the works, and you are real inspiration to keep it all in house. Thanks.But jeeze, I keep thinking I've got it made working on places in the woods, then you've got to go show what you've got to look at...maaaan<G>What's up with that volute template? We just use the paper one's that come with the fittings...do you make you own? Howcum?Hey, you and Helen get down to Elon, you're buying us lunch<G> "I am the master of low expectations." Georgie Boy, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
no template came with this one... so Roy made his own
how far are you from Elon ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
48 min...as the buzzard flies "I am the master of low expectations." Georgie Boy, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
That's only about 5 inches on the map !It takes 48 minutes for a buzzard to fly 5 inches ???;o)
Just call me doodyhead.
Carrion stops, ha. "I am the master of low expectations." Georgie Boy, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
How many carrion are they allowed per flight ?More importantly, are they allowed fingernail clippers and liquids ?
Just call me doodyhead.
Good Evening Sir-
I was thinking about you last week. Been driving around looking at/for cabinets for the new kitchen and couldn't find anything that I felt comfortable with. I was talking to Ellen and told her I was considering (pulling a Mike and) just doing it myself. Her response was - they want to move in this year! Okay, so that hurt, but I'm used to it. (G).
Picked up some maple and some maple plywood and I've been having at it this week. I'll probably finish the last two boxes tomorrow and start the face frames. I've already warned the tenant she may not have doors when she moves in. She doesn't care. They are moving in the end of this month, so I don't have any time to waste.
We'll see what happens. I may post some pictures - depends.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Please post some pics. I love that stuff.
"I went to Dunkin Donuts for breakfast, and no one there was mad at me." DustinF 06'
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Gunner, The last time I tried to post pics, they came out a mess. It will likely take me longer to learn how to do that than it will to build the cabinets!! We'll see what happens. [BTW, my other half is helping me on this. :-) So, since she's just learning to swing a hammer, it adds to the challenge.]
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
so, Don... are you using an EZ-guide for your cabinets ?...
sure helps make short work of those cuts
BTW... we had a great time geting to know you both at Andy & Katrina's
kinda fun putting faces on all these names ......Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
EZ Guide? Well, actually, no.
I'm still a member of the old "what's laying around here that looks like a straightedge" club. I did think about the guide, but I'm already looking for a small trailer for the tools I've got to take to VA. New router bits, maybe a bisquit joiner, door hinge kit, a real (new) table saw, the list of stuff that I "need" just goes on and on. One of my helpers pointed out that we can't even work in one of the rooms because there are so many tools in there - and that's only a percentage.
Probably catch Dino at the next fest. Maybe sooner.
It was really nice meeting both you and "Mr. Piffen" at the fest. Biggest downside is that now Ellen knows some of the people, so she's spending more time on BT than I am. LOL.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renoations - New Construction - Rentals
Great view. Hope you get that job if you want it.
"It's always better to have regrets for things you've done than for things you wish you had done..........."
Maybe we should email Mike's local PBS station and get them to follow his next renovation/build. Have 'em do a 10 part series.
Guess we'd have to come up with a name for the show. "This Old Codger"? "CodgerTime"? :)
Seriously, Mike, it is looking good.
jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
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How about a riff on Hemingway, too -
"The Old Man in the Yard"
Forrest
How about a riff on Hemingway, too -
"The Old Man in the Yard"
That sounds like a landscaper. Bump it again... "The Old Man in the House".jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
>>>>How about a riff on Hemingway, too -"The Old Man in the Yard"Oh, Forrest reads too much - he needs to watch more TV.
"Let's go to Memphis in the meantime, baby" - John Hiatt.
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Hi Mike,
Thanks again for the most informative set of postings I've ever seen. Echoing what the others have said, FHB should index this and set it aside as a permanent part of the website.
Any word on the "adverse" part of the story? Am really curious as to those developements, as well.
I 'hear' Tom Silva has been lurking, maybe he's going to incorporate some ideas into his next job !
All the best,
bum...two wrongs don't make a right, but... three lefts do... :)
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Mike,
Great thread you have going.
Did you miss the joint a bit in this picture? I always assumed that the post should be directly centered over the joint in the beam. I'm not busting your chops, just curious about this. Maybe I am not seeing the pic right.
Also, are your posts concrete filled or hollow? I have been installing 4" hollow columns. Yours look like they are concrete filled.
You guys do real nice work. Nice clean site too, that is a high priority for me.
Eric[email protected]
It's Never Too Late To Become What You Might Have Been
I'm guessing that's a mitred joint, not a butt-joint, in which case it is exactly where it needs to be. We used to do that on beam-joints, because you can get better nailing, and you don't see a visual gap if there is any shrinkage.
eric, it's a 3-piece beam and the joints are staggered
those are cement filled 4" and the doubles are cement filled 3.5"
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good idea to use steel post for levelling.! Next time try to weld an adjustable screw plate to the top. It allows the finetuning and if you ever get a settlement or shrinkage you can adjust.
Make sure to isolate the concrete floor from the steelpost. It will eliminate cracking the concrete
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and i headed off the stairwell/hall ceiling for the Suntunnel..
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then we started papering -in the roof with RoofTopGuardII
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we ran out of RTGII, so tomorrow our roofing supply company is going to deliver some new product they want to sell instead of RTG... we'll see
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putting down underlayment like RTG, and 30 lb. felt , and housewrap is really a breeze with one of the new cap/staplers.. the one we use is a Bostich and those skinny staples have no trouble going right thru the 5/8 Advantech
papered in the dormer roof and lapped the 10/12 pitch
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here's the gable ends where we stop our vents short of the outside
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Don't you ever clean your boots? I really appreciate you sharing this info and the financial side of it all. Really a great learning experience. DanT
while the guys are cranking up the generator, i'm probably still home cleaning my boots.. i used to get so pizzed about being on the job and waiting for the last guy to show up..
now i make sure i'm the last guy.. guess what they never know when .. and they all beat me to work...
my blood pressure is a lot better for itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You are building off a generator, Mike? Is that normal there?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
the nearest pole is about 400 '.. so until they set the new pole ( maybe next week ) we have no power...
we usually run on temp service. this is the first job we've done on a generator since 1984.. matter of fact, i borrowed the gen. from the guy we went partners with on that '84 job..
we stuck the gen. in the basement section of the breezeway.. so the noise level is just a background humMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike, First and formost thank you for your dedication to this thread. I have really enjoyed watching the progress. If this question has already been addressed I apologize. Whats the reason that you are not framing the garage and the breezway yet. I was curious as to what your approach to this would be. Also, what is planned for the back of the house in terms of a deck or a patio?Again, thanks, beautiful work!"I'm your huckleberry"
well... the garage was formed & poured after the house... and it has a 7' foundation.. so, it wasn't until last week that we got the gravel inside , and now i have to flood it to compact it.. the breezeway fits between the house & garge so i want them both in place before i frame the breezeway..
i anticipated this sequence, so my payment schedule reflects it..
the back will get a small deck between the house & garage.. and a big deck in front of the bay window next to a screened porch..
a lot of the plan is budget driven.. so much of the decks and dormers went to pay the lawyers to defend the land titleMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Looking Good! Rough inspections soon from the the looks of things. You know I work under cover on the Safety Patrol.Here is what were using around stairs & open areas. Cost us about $130 an address, but money well spent.I call them in the day after they drop stairs. The insurance guy gave me a box of chocolate @ x-mas because of the rails.
In at stair install, out when the Drywallers pull out.
Where do you rent them from?
The place is called of all things, Safety Rail, the girl that answers the phone is a Ten, so the rails always go in on time!
glen.. nice touch...
right now a ladder is the only thing we go up and down on and it goes from the basement to the 2d floor.. we keep it surrounded by ply unless some is going up or downMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
glen.. here's our 9'x8' stairwell..
the basement..
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looking up to the 2d floor..
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Mike,
Am all for the looks of your ladders, remember "Safety" is my middle name.
Picked up something for your guys, when their on the roof, expect to see it @ you place late next week. ( PO was closed by the time I got off today) Will sent out monday.
Balmy 17 degrees here today. but will be back in the fifitys by mid week.
glen... which wil get here first , your package or my new golf clubs ?.. either way.. next week wil be coolMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
or my new golf clubs
I'm jealous. I've had my eye on the new Nike sling shot irons, but I'm being cheap. I've been abusing the same set of old clubs for the last 5 or 6 years. I'm going to play 2 nights a week this year, instead of just 1.
i'm still playing with the used set of Ping Eye 2's i bought in '95,
finally decided to try a set of Ping G5's.. we'll see how that works outMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike, is there a reason you don't whip a set of "construction stairs" in there? Must be a reason...I was hoping someone else would ask...but now I gotta take one for the team...TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
yes... it's out of sequence, maybe if it was a straight run stair , i'd do it...
but right now i don't see a big gain... and they may get in the way of pouring the basement.... the only way for the concrete is thru the 9x8 stairwell..
we need electric power before we pour the basement, since the generator would have to move, and we are going to put 1" EPS on the walls... so..
electric
eps
basement slab
stairs
jim: talked to john allen today.... said you and he were swoppin lies ( go stillers )
hey, anyone, on siding :
i just got a quote for 7 1/4" Hardie plank with the 2-coat Color Plus at $7.43 /12'
i was hoping to use Certainteed Cedar Lap prefinished... but that's comming in at over $9.... anyone out there have a good source for either product ? i need 500 pieces
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"jim: talked to john allen today.... said you and he were swoppin lies"
Well, maybe HE was lying some but I wasn't...much...about most of the stuff we talked about...for sure when I met his better half!
Man oh man, you wait until you see the project he's got going. Big old house in North Tacoma up on a bluff with a gorgeous view. House is a beauty. Good guy - was asking about maybe hosting a fest or something.
How many times a day your help have to pack tools and materials up that frikkin' ladder?
You ever spray you own Hardi siding with an airless? Piece of cake. Just a thought. TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
started the day by shoveling snow out of the house....
now that the garage is filled, i want to compact the gravel fill.. and my usual method is to flood the fill.. ..
i intended to pump the huge puddle that had formed in the front of the house.. but my well meaning digger drained it
so saturday i rented a 2" pump and started pumping out of the big pond..
but that didn't last long .. got a visit from the authorities and was informed i couldn't pump out of the pond...
so today.. we rigged up an aqueducto to catch the road melt run-off..
think the romans would like it ?
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after we shoveled snow , we went to breakfast to let some of it melt
then we finished with the sheathing and installed some ice & water on the pent roof below the dormer
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while they were doing that i started the bay window roof frame
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but not a real big productive day
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and a snow pic for you.....
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I'm surprised thats all the snow you got, lucky man. We shoveled 24 to 30 inches out of the building today. Five men, five hours humping it out. Funny thing about it was that there was only 18 to 20 inches outside the building. Brutal.
Keep up the good work, Mike. BTW are you going to the expo in Providence?
The CM
we'll be at JLC-Live on FridayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Five pm at the Westin bar with the JLC crowd?
The CM
noon at Angelo's with the hungry crowdMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the roof still had too much snow for screwing with it so i had the guys build the stairwell partitions and then start the strapping....
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integrated into the strapping is also part of our scheme for insulating we will have a 12" x 12" ( minimum ) box all around the perimeter in the ceiling.. we'll blow dens-pak into that box..
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so we installed plywood scraps in the first and last bays and between the furring strips.. we leave them loose until the electrician has run his wires
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i kept busy with framing and sheathing the bay window roof....
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nothing for t8 today.. no outward change in appearance
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"i kept busy with framing and sheathing the bay window roof...."U work like i do - let the crew do the heavy and straight forward, while I do the head scratching fun stuff.
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
"i kept busy with framing and sheathing the bay window roof...."
U work like i do - let the crew do the heavy and straight forward, while I do the head scratching fun stuff.
Funny U mentioned that ... for about a week or so now ... I been thinking ...
Man, Mike really liked that bay!
must have good views of the girls college?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
By spring the neighbors will be out sunbathing, and Old Mike will be posting - "While the guys finished off the ridge of the roof, I dazzled the neighbors with the way I kept myself busy counter-flashing the bay";)
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
at least the guys know where to find him!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
LOL, One of us ( at least) is gonna get a love slap any minute now from Mike!
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
nah ...
he's curled up in that bay sleeping ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Duh. What is the purpose of the insulation blown into the space boxed with the ply on the bottom?
Are you insulating the band joist there? What will contain your dens-pac?
Not doing dry-blow here, we would wet-blow that, or foam it.
insulating the band joist... we'll use a foam block to contain itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
My partner and I have been following your thread with great interest.
Today we discussed your band joist insulation method. We figured that our PU foamer would charge us about $3 per 16-center bay to foam it with a minimum of 3 inches of urethane.
What do you think your cost is to do the plywood bottom, the foam baffle, then do the denspac blow? Add it all up . . . material, labor, burden.
well, all of the plywood is salvage scrap..but say $20/4x8, say 3 shts = $60
and the foam blocking, $3.25/ 2x8x 1" (12" x 150 lf ) 150/16 = 9 shts = $30
the dens-pak is $8/ bale.... i figure the band joist is 150 lf, with an average depth of say 1.5 ' so the band joist will take 225cf @say 3#/cf = 675 lb or 25 bales = $200
so materials should be $290, say $300 for 150 lf
labor: ssy $28 incl. burden.... 1 hour for the plywood, 1 hour to blow the dens-pak,
2 hours to cut & fit the foam dams, say 4 hours , plus 1 hour for set-up = 5 hours =$140
so matls & labor = $440 for 150 lf of band joist ( 150 lf. x .75 ) = 112 sixteen inch bays...or $440 / 112 = $3.92 per bay..
some of the above is double counting because we will be blowing the walls anyways, and the plywood is scrap.... yada, yada, yada.. seems like it compares favorable with your foam insulation sub's quote .....??????Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
drove up to Branch River Foam for the basement foam ( PerformGuard with borates ) that we will install on the walls before we pour the basement floor.. here's 96 pieces...
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Roy was making up the cornice returns for the gable ends...
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and Chuck & Mike were running shadow board on the rakes
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Good thing you got a Ford, don't think a Chevy could handle that load!
last night a friend welded the extensions on 2 of our new Alum-a-pole braces.. so i painted them...
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everyone else was doing something so i installed the PropaVents in the eaves....
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and , remember i said our roofing cupply was going to switch to a new underlayment to replace the RoofTopGurard II we've been using...
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well this is it.. UDL by Berger... the jury is still out as to which we prefer.. but even though the UDL is 52" as opposed to the 60" for the RTG, it seems to install faster, and tighter...
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Did you have the camera duct taped to your knee ?
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Are Roy and the guys going to make it down to TipiFest ?
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
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Hey Mike, can I share a coupla pix and the executive summary of costs with some people on my side of the tracks? I'd like to show them that good quality construction is gonna cost something regardless of the materials that make it custom. People tend to compare my custom costs with other's manufactured housing costs...hard to play that comparison game. How do you "convince" people that what they want is gonna cost $185/ or $225/ or whatever it is, or is it self-evident to them?
jim..share away ! for one thing i never talk about cost / sf
i find out what specs they want and give them a price .. if the price blows their budget, we perform surgery to reduce the scopeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
>jim..share away ! for one thing i never talk about cost / sfI'd prefer not to...I find out their construction budget and decide on a project complexity and work toward a design from there, but two things are conspiring against me. One is that the elephant in the corner is _always_ talking about $/sf in an unhelpful way--even down to having an online cost estimator that takes size as the input and uses one of three (too low) $/sf factors to "determine" project cost--so customers have that vocabulary and those comparisons ever-present from even before our first contact. Also, most of the shell builders speak in those terms be/c there's a fairly strong correlation between size and price...materials and quantities are pretty darn predictable for a given size. Exterior gingerbread and interiors don't follow that pattern, but by then the die is cast. I'm fighting the tide from the start, and other bad metaphors.I do understand that your project has a cost and the per unit cost is backed out from there, but not especially relevant. Thanks.
went to the lumber yard and found a pile of (30) 2x6/16' that someone ordered and then didn't want
they were peculiar , because they had been treated with Borate and were for interior use only ( a Virginia treating plant had their tag on them )
anyways, i got them for $7/ each.. all # 1 & 2 SYP.. so, we framed the breezeway roof with PT
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rained for about 5 minutes and we got good flow thru the aqueducto... then the rain stopped and we got zilch
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Mike, what am I seeing on the ceiling joist of the green framing? Looks like some sort of scrap scabbed on to the side of the jaoist right over the temp support. And it looks like it's on several of the joists.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
you talking about my board stretchers ? yeah, well , nothing wrong with your eyesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike, I'm new here. Whats with the auqueducto?
Lou C
i want to compact the gravel fill inside the garage.. so rented a pump and went down to the pond and started pumping.. but someone called the police and they came down and made me stop....
hmmmm.. what if i trap the road runoff and dump that in the garage... so a vision of the roman aqueducts entered my head and ..... voila !
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Nice outhouse. Is it heated? Think we can get you to pose for a picture in front of it?
Ugha Chaka! Ugha Chaka! Ugha, Ugha, Ugha, Chaka!
you don't really wanna go there do you Yankee fan ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
SNORK!
Uh never mind.
Ugha Chaka! Ugha Chaka! Ugha, Ugha, Ugha, Chaka!
john.. here's an end-of-week with the breezeway
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Mike,
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We haven't really had a good chance to see how it works, I'm glad that you're experience is favorable.
What did they charge you for the 10 sq roll? We are at $124.80.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
shoudl be around that, when i get the invoice i'll let you knowMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Another thing, Mike. A question about sheetrock performance when done over dens-pac.
My pard says the only house he ever did with dens-pac gave him all kinds of callback troubles for sheetrock nail pops.
How goes it with you?
dens-pak can bulge.. but some pre-inspection can find those..
once the board is up , it's not going to get pushed.
and of course we don't get "nail pops " anymore, since everything is screwed..
so no, we don't experience nail pops with dens-pakMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
what about camera problems?
I been here for about an hour ... computer refuses to accept the fact that Yes Dammit! There IS a CF card in the freaking camera!!!
even swapped out the big card for the original ... snapped a pic ... still says nothing to download. U ever have such a problem?
wonder if it's the card ... camera ... card to camera connection .. or the USB cable ...
or a combo of any and all.
I know the pics are on the card ... as I pop it in .. pop it out. The pic's disappear ... then reappear ... just like they should. So the camera can read the card ... but the computer says no dice/no card.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
i use a Sans-Disk card reader & download direct to my computer..
then i organize the pics with a program called "Thumbs Plus"
if you have a card, you should be able to read it in any standard card reader, my new computer can read 9 different styles of cards
try your card in someone else's computer.. have Cathy take it to work and try itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Once again, Mike, and I know you have been asked this before.
What is your technique for embedding pics right in your messages? I have a feeling it is a copy and paste, but what exactly is done?
For those enjoying the show here http://quittintime.infopop.cc
are some shots of one of Mikes jobs about 2,000 donuts ago. ( based on Mikes average consumption of 2 donuts per day ) ( Mike, nice group shot in that thread with Barry in it....better days )
http://www.quittintime.com
wow.. mark... great pics !
now let's see some of yours .......
have you booked your plane for JLC-Live yet ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, tell me a little bit about how you do your strapping, since I've never done any.
Do you block and string every 16" or so? Or, do you just nail the stuff up tight?
blue
blue, you know us, we're anal.. we snap lines 16" 0C
then double nail with 8d in each joist, we usually work off some planks about 16" off the floor
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while i was meeting with my bookeeper, the guys finished papering in the roof
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then they started installing the 1x8 Miratech fascia
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and i finished the insulation blocking and ice & water on the bay
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Randy continued hauling gravel fill for the front
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here's one with Roy comming up the driveway
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Mike,
I see the snow is melting, how did the aqua...uh ....duck....toes work out for ya on that garage?
when the melt started, we did a coffee can flow test and figure 2 gal/ min... so 2800 gal / day ?
supposed to rain friday.. so should get even betterMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Looks like he's headed right for ya, Mike! You DID pay him this week, didn't you?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
no.. he was having too much fun,so i told him he had to pay me this weekMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You mentioned earlier that U might be geting sent a new and different product for underlay on the roof. Is that what we see and how does it compare to RTGII? edit - I see the update on that - any feeling on whether it is as easy to walk on as the RTG?
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by the end of the job, i'll have an opinion about the UDL vs. RTG thing.... definitely split right now... i like the 60 vs. the 52"..
but the guys claim the UDL is easier to work with, adn nothig difinitive about which one has better non-skid under your feet.. it's a little moot on a 10/12 pitch... a better test would be an 8 pitch, or even a 6 pitchMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
10/12 Yikes! Hope you got something to tie off too!
as if.... so, you know how to count huh ?
they sure look like first class tie-offs.... now i gotta think hard about the whole tie-off thing.... so ... my humble thanks againMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Pleasure doing it ! If not on the present job,use them on the next. They work great, even got the Gutter guys using them.
That sounds like the subject of an upcoming new picture!
Thanks to Glenn.
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Hey Mike
I originaly came from the Boston area.I have worked all over the country,Mostly the midwest,Alaska for a few years .I haven't see strapping for a long time .I allways ask for it.The best I can find is 1x4.Strapping is 1x3 with rounded edges right?Its been a long time.
Nice work
Rick
when i started most of our furring ( strapping ) was 1x4 rough spruce
now all of it is 1x3 rough spruce... sometimes it comes thru planed with rounded edges as you described, but mostly just the rough spruce..
i love furring the ceilings.. if i went to another section of the country i'd definitely bring that habit with me
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Roy & Chuck finished sheathing the breezeway, then papered it in..
and we installed collar ties & ceiling joist hangers..
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blue.. here's the railing system you can buy for the wall jacks
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they bolt onto the ends of the braces
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Yeah, DAT looks like it would keep Roy or I from falling.mmmm hmmmmHey, are Roy and the guys going to make it to tipifest ???
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
i doubt it... first , they are not internet guys, 2d... somebody's gotta work !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Good point. =0)Oh well.I regretted not actually getting to talk to those guys much at your place.
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
"I regretted not actually getting to talk to those guys much at your place."
my favorite part of MikeFest was when I asked Roy how Mike was "really" like as a boss!
Nope ... not telling!
as in ... I'm not telling ... Roy told plenty ....
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
That was the first question I would have asked him, once I got him away from Mike.=0)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
pretty much how it played out.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
So dish already !I won't tell anyone else.;o)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
I told Mike I was gonna get the truth ...
he's no fun.
he didn't care!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I asked Roy and a couple others if Mike was paying them enough.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
I looked into the cost of living there ...
I don't think there IS enough money!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
it ain't too bad.. the outbacks are really cheap!Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I hear you on that One!
"the outbacks are really cheap!"
bastard ....
anyhoo ... I think Cath finally got to the post office yesterday.
and I happen to think $190 for a meal for 2 is not so cheap!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
$190.00 bucks a meal!!!!
You better be glad I'm not home where I can get to my emoticons. We go to talk about this gambling thing of yours.........................Or better yet I need to start betting with you.
Ugha Chaka! Ugha Chaka! Ugha, Ugha, Ugha, Chaka!
hey, hands offa da squeeze .....
hey, jeff.. how much money ya got ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Have a safe trip
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i had to go to a funeral this AM, the guys started prepping the basement for next weeks pour
putting poly down & setting 1" EPS against the walls
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we also got a short pour ( 1/2cy) for the two column supports in the garage
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and Randy backfilled the electric trench and finished hauling inthe last of the gravel fill..
off to Gainesville tomorrow .. so no pics of the job until next tuesday
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Mike,
In the post that shows the side view of the breezeway, I noticed that there seems to be a very small clip in the ceiling. Is there any particular reason, or is it strickly for aesthetics?
Mike,
being the pessimist, how's the court situation going? I see the possibility of you having to tear down half the house, since they are "negotiating".IIRC they were back in court on the 17th.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
bobl.... they had two days of testimony, then the judge had a vacation scheduled
i think they go back to court tomorrow.... we'll seeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and the wheels move slowly.
gawd
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
windows arrived at 7.. but i got there at 9 with the concrete finisher .. giving me a price for the basement
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we managed to set all the openings we had ... 19... still have 2 to set in the basement and 5 more in the garage..
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these are all Andersen 200 series with the grilles between the glass and pre-finished factory interiors
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I saw that too. I suspect a crown mold will hide it.
blue
I think I just answered my own question. Look where the top of the door opening is for the entrance to the house. If that ceiling was any lower, it would cover the top of the opening. And if you look at an exterior shot of the house, you can see that you don't want to just raise the top plates and the whole roof of the breezeway, because you would be too close to the bottom of those windows, especially in New England, where the snow drifts against the side of the house in the winter.OK, what did I win?
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xos... thank god you noticed that... spent the whole nite trying to figure out that one..
asked chuck & he said " raise the ceiling joists, the mooney wall framing will cover the clip"
and so we did..
your prize... one atta-boy !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
In the end-on picture of the breezeway, what are those two "boxes" hanging on the wall?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
concrete forms for the two column bases in the garage
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about two weeks ago the utility company tried to set our pole for the underground electric.. but they hit a lot of boulders.. so they sub their rock drilling out to a company from New Hampshire
damn !.. that is one big rock drill..
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took longer to park the truck than to drill the hole
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meanwhile our aqueducto is just trickeling water.. the snow melt hasn't really started yet.. but we have big hopes
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Please tell me that they didn't drive that truck through the poor neighbor's flowers...;o)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
ok, they didn't drive that truck thru the poor neighbor's flowers....
howz dat ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Dangit ! Why n... er I mean, that's just peachy there, Mikey !!!;o)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
Oh man, that rock drill is SWEET! In my younger days I worked as a groundman on a crew that contracted out to the city power company. So all we did all day everyday was jackhammer out rock holes while 2 or 3 city crews stood around a jeered. I'll bet that 'hammer weighed 150lbs with the 6 foot steel on it. We could hammer and jobber out a 4' pole hole in rock quicker than 2 P&L crews could drill the same hole in dirt. I did, however, have an upper torso at the time that'd I'd kill for now...
Mike:
Just curious about the charges you/your HO incurs from your power Co for this pole install? Here, Progress Energy doesn't hesitate to charge well for it's residential install services, and make no excuses about getting there when they get around to it... for example, $113 to "bore" under a sidewalk - Actually they just push a steel pipe - takes about 5 minutes. or, $150 pole riser fee, and on and on. I'd hate to get the bill for a new - dedicated pole that had to be bored in rock.... Another time they got there a month after my request, 1 week after the neighbor's new sod was laid - called to warn them about that - and charged me (my company) something like $254 to hand dig 50' because they didn't have a Ditch Witch.
Strangely though, on the commercial side, they are getting ready to install like 1000' of underground, maybe 5 light poles, 4 transformers, and service up to 7 buildings all for free.... go figure...
BTW - have you been working off generators this whole time?
matt.. both of these streets are already serviced.. if this were a new street, or a new subdivision, someone would be paying.. but not in this instance
the utility will get it back in wattage fees
yes, an old honda generator.... pretty faithful.. just chugging away in the breezeway basementMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
>> the utility will get it back in wattage fees <<
I'd think that would be the way they would look at here too... Not the case. Here, for the residential customers, they make it apparent it's a monopoly... Oh well... Gas company is different - "Yes Sir! We will be there in 6 days Sir." Then, they rarely bill - once they billed $76 for extending the gas main 100' down the street!
Looks like the house is coming along good! I'd like the chance to try that new-fangled paper you all use on the roof. See if it really holds up... I'm not even sure if they sell it around here. I'll have to check next time I go to one of the roofing supply stores.
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>noon at Angelo's with the hungry crowd
Can't go wrong at Angelo's. The food is good, fast, and inexpensive. Without even trying I routinely find myself with more $ in the drinks than the food. Me and my big white house are about 5 blocks away. Make sure you bring a quarter.
On the house thread, I'm anxiously awaiting the insulation details. Will it all be densepak? I saw the cut for the ridge vent, is that simply a code requirement or do you prefer the vented roof? Venting seems like its giving up a fair amount of insulation in the cathedral ceiling.
eric
Mike, I REALLY like the pics your camera takes !I'll give you a quarter for it when you buy your new one !!=0);o)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
what makes you think i'm going to buy a new 1 ?
i can't make up my mind.. stick with the point & shoot or go back to an SLR like the D50Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You know what I would like ?A digital that gives me all the abilities that my old Pentax Program Plus gave me.That's what I used in college. I was a photography minor. Never got a photgraphy grade below 4.0. 3 profs actually gave me 4.1 after 4.1 after 4.1 even though the .1 didn't make any difference. They did it just to make a point. LOLWon every competition I entered as well.Sad, sad was the day I last saw that camera. But I couldn't afford the film now anyway. LOL I used to load my own film from bulk. Even had a complete darkroom setup. No way I could afford all that now either.Can't afford a good digital either. Just hoping to find a cheapie that does at least 3 megapixels. Mine does 1.3I don't think I'd ever again get into all of that like I did back then. Not fooling myself. And I figure it's not that big a deal, really. I'm just tired of the fact that I can never get any real detail, nor can I get anything actually in focus.Still, what I have, gets a pic up there on the screen when I really need it to !!=0)I'll still give you that quarter if you ever decide to upgrade. LOL;o)(Got us a big hailstorm here right now. Looks like somone opened up a big old bag of white frozen peas.)
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
Mike,
Good thing I don't work for you, With that fresh pow on the ground (aka 10" rule) the last place you would find me would be on the job site. More Like I-95 north to Stowe or Killington. The Roof safety Fairies got something going your way viva the USPS.
our mailman is ex-airborne... i'll be watching for the USPS
the big mountain in the east these days is in Maine, Sunday RiverMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I wonder how the AHJ came to notice that you were trying to pump the pond dry?
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re the stair framing sequence - we do it as we go up in summertime, but when you are racing against wicked stepmother winter, they go in after we get closed up.
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another bitter morning ... about 24 deg. but the sun was out and no wind.. so no problem
we set the alum-a-poles to the gable ends and sheathed the south side
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then the north side..
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so now the 2d floor looks a little different
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on the east side we sheathed the basement kneewall, then we moved our staging..
we had a welder extend a set of our braces so we can set them far enough away for the pics to clear some of the cornice detail.. these poles are set 40" off the upper dormer fascia
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and a view looking at the clearances of the various roof lines..
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i hope to be able to start the dormer roof , install the windows & trim & do the siding from this set-up..Monday, we'll set some lower braces below the pics
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Mike, We did the same with some of our braces. The added length really works out well for us.
I really love the set up, but hopping over the braces is a real pain in the butt..when we are in a set up like that, I prefer pipe scaffold.
Looks like the blizzard is on the way, glad ya got her dried in!
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i still expect to shovel a lot of snow, just not as muchMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mr. Smith,
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Hello sir. I am just one of the many who sit on the sidelines, warming the benches, here at Breaktime.
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I would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank you for both, starting and maintaining this thread. I’m certain that I speak for everyone, when I say that it has proven to be most entertaining and thoroughly educational. As was mentioned before by another Breaktime member, I too, come first to this thread.
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You mentioned in your last post, that you and your team were finishing the last of the exterior sheathing and preparing to install the windows and siding.
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If I may, I had a couple of questions for you and your crew:
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(1) Are you going to install an air barrier (i.e. Tyvek, #30 felt)? Yes or No (pros and/or cons)?
(2) Are there any plans to install a Grace Ice and Water Shield or similar product on the roof?
(3) Are there any plans to install a flexible flashing material around the door and window rough openings?
(4) Are there any plans to install exterior rigid insulation boards prior to installing the siding?
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Thank you, in advance for your considerable patience and invaluable time. And sincere thanks to you and your team for this very enjoyable post.
t...
we'll be using 30# felt under the fibercement
we already have Ice & water for the first 3' of our roof, the rest is RoofTopGuard II of UDL
we use Grace to flash our windows & doors
and we will not be using any foam on the exterior
anyways, thanks for asking
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
happy friday , john !
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Snow's a coming Mike. Button 'er up! We were cutting and nailing rafters today like mad men trying to beat Saturday's storm. I left the site at 4:30 because I had a dentist appointment. One of my guys called me at 6:15 and told me they were just leaving and got most of the roof sheathed. Man, that was music to my ears.
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i'm planning on snow too.. i think we'll be pretty tight on the 2d floor by tomorrow afternoonMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, a newbie question for you:"rain yesterday.. and today started out with rain.. so we had ####Safety Meeting at Tommy's Diner ( "scaffolding" was today's topic... conducted by our safety officer, Chuck )"Are you referring to the breakfast as a "safety meeting" to satisfy OSHA, the IRS (maybe 100% of meal expense?), or what?Or am I just dense?BTW- did you take I-95 to get to NC or some other route?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
sounds like my kinda job ...
I don't have much to lose anyways!
when do I start?
Jeff
btw ... get that pic printed and keep it on hand. Next time his camera comes out ... politely ask if he'll take a picture ... of your picture ... of him taking a picture ... of you.
tell him U need a pic of him doing as such ... for " proof " ...
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Mike, have you thought about a sceurity camera for when you are not there?
Those squirrel lawyers are grinding their teeth 24/7 over this, who knows what they might this is a good idea after a few too many glasses of sherry?
Joe H
my customer is no slouch... he'll do what needs doing
and he'll enjoy doing itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That's a pretty nice looking pour, Mike.
Hey, in L15 it looks like you double your mud sill. Is that standard practice thereabouts? Or maybe something you do because of...what?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
double sill gives you another 1.5" of headroom in the basement, and an easy way to shim the sill..
we did zero shims on this one.. what a nice pourMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike I'm getting indigestion just reading about this. I really, really, really hope it all goes well. The neighbor sounds like someone you'd hear standing at the top of a hole you're at the bottom of commanding "it puts the lotion on its skin!"
"A bore is a man who, when you ask him how he is, tells you." -Bert Taylor
rw......be interesting watching it unfold... i think they have a court date for FebruaryMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Looks like your people have found a new avocation.
;o)
Be sure to get a group shot if everyone decides to join in at once. LOL
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Hey, did those abuttheads move that compost pile back over the line ?
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
Interesting point. But I don't think the Buttheads are in the grey house in the background of the pic. I think they are off to the left.
Sounds like it would almost be worth it to take up a collection on the site, get enough money to cover the insurance deductible, then have an "accident" with the backhoe and the minivan.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
yer an artist
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Thank you.Tip the waitress.I'll be here till next thursday.
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
Mike, that foundation looks good. No shims? That concrete guy is a keeper. Maybe you can call him back later in the project to put up a 30' concrete wall between your client and the abuttheads.
Looks like the abuttheads could use your services, their house is a little rough. I applaud your client. Only way to deal with those people is to stand up to them.
Keep the pics coming. shoot, I didn't realize you built 'em from scratch. Thought you just worked on or added to ones that already existed.
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
Mike,
how come you always get to have all the fun?I love neighbors like that,I could park my truck on their lawn,move the porta potty right up close to the their deck and her "garden" would have been long gone.
People like them bring out the Italian in me real quick.
As far as your job goes, I can see your doing your usual business like and professional work. Vince Carbone
vince... you gotta start now iffen you wanna have some good tales to tell at tipifestMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike ,
foget about it ,I started gathering tales 3 miles down the road from Calvin's, you kidding me. Vince Carbone
Mike, are you taking stand-off pics? From the corner of the lot... or far enough away that you can see the whole house. With a good angle, it'll make a nice Flash
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
here's today's view..
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here's Tuesday, 2/28.... with the widow openings wrapped
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Mr. Smith,
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I’m pleased to hear that you had a good time in <!----><!----><!---->Florida<!----><!---->. More surprising, however, is that you came back! With the temperature differences, I think that I might have had to come up with an excuse for an even longer stay. ;-)
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Most impressive, however, is your continued commitment and diligence to this thread.
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You mentioned that you are anticipating pouring the basement slab soon.
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If I might ask a couple of questions:
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(1) Will the team be laying down a sheet of poly under the slab?
(2) If so, and if you use it, do you prefer to put sand on top of, or under the poly?
(3) Will the team be laying down XPS boards under the slab?
(4) Are there any plans for in-slab radiant heating?
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As always, thank you in advance for your considerable patience and invaluable time.
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- T -
t... they already put the poly down on Friday.. and covered it with a layer of 3/4" stone to hold it in place
no foam under the slab, but we will put foam against the wall... and no, there is no plan to put RFH in the slab.. although , if the budget allowed, i'd recommend it.. since the owner wants to use this as a workshop..
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This past weekend wasn't the greatest weather for you, but I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. My fiancee graduates from UF in May with her MFA in Poetry; I'll be glad when I can say that Florida is a nice place to visit.But it sure is hard to beat this time of year, which I'm sure you can confirm. Any exciting Gainesville stories for us?Thanks for the thread, it's been enjoyable.What kind of siding are using? I'm not sure I caught that.
RFH ... would it make sense to put the tubing in the slab anyway so that a system could be installed later?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
absolutely... but , who's gonna pay for it ?
and what will they use for money ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's a little change for you john
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Yay ! Now you can get some heat in there !!
Geekbox hero who once visited the glass city.
here's a little change for you john
Hey yeah, the truck moved!
;)
Do you like those Andersen 200's? I thought that was the economy grade.
And by the by, I did a system restore on my PC a week or two (or three) ago. Haven't gotten around to reinstalling Flash. Haven't been getting home early enough. But keep the pics coming, I'll dig that CD out eventually.
jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
john.. so far i like the 200's just fine... this is the first time we've used them, then seem to be very well made..
good luck with finding time in addition to your projectMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, I gotta ask about your window flash method.
I see you put a lot of work, heat guns, etc., into giving the openings a total membrane wrap before installing the windows.
Is anything else done?
We do a sill wrap, forming into corners and going up the jambs a few inches, but then the window is installed, and sideflash goes on over the flanges, then topflash over the topflange and sideflashes.
What is the point of the total wrap before window installation?
gene... old habits die hard.. in this case it's just plain overkill
with most windows i don't really trust the way their nailing flanges integrate with the jamb casing ( typically a "t-insert " into the side )
with this series the jamb /casing/ nailing flange is all one....so our first layer is superfluous....and with Grace at $100/roll, it's money i could have saved... in any case i won't be expecting any leaks in the vicinity of our windows
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The Andersen rep told me the biggest diff in the 200 series from 400 is that the hardware is cheaper and a bit harder to work, but that the overall unit is just fine to wear the name Andersen
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here's 7/7/06...
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Hey Pisano, The Italian would come out in me too! problem is I would spend all day f#%ckin with the guy and not get a thing done! My neighbor at my shop accused me or my guys for signing for a ups package that was his. He doesn't know me from Adam,Ive owned my shop for 12 years. The a-hole just moved in too. Ive never stole a thing in my life (not true, I stole litttle magnets at radio shack when i was ten,got home and cried to my mom cause I felt bad)Any way the guy kept asking me if I had seen his package. His unit is right next to mine. I left one day with a sander strapped to the wall with a bunggee cord left on all day and his office is right where the sander was on. It was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The wife thinks I'm imature
-LOU (i'm a nice guy just dont f with me)
Lou,
I like your Style!
well, Florida was great !
while i was gone the guys prepped the basement and opened up the stairwell for the cement chutes...
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today they started putting double mesh on the 2d floor ceiling... most of this floor is not going to be finished, but it is going to be insulated and pre-wired
so , we're putting up a layer of insul-mesh, and a layer of the old 1/4" nylon mesh we used to use , then furring the ceiling.. this is going to support the 20" of cellulose we'll blow into the attic
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while they were doing that , i foamed the Propa-vent chutes where the come thru the cornice/soffit dams.. this'll keep the cells from filling up the soffits
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the rest of the day we started prepping the window openings, since we're supposed to get the windows delivered tomorrow... we use Grace we cut strips off the 36" x 75' roll.. i also looked into the Grace Vykor in the strip packs.. 4" x 75" & 6" x 75'
turns out the 36" costs me $.40/sf vs. $.83 /sf for the 4" & $.60/sf for the 6"
at $100 a roll for the big roll it still saves us a bunch by cutting our own strips.. we had 3 heat guns going to apply the Grace
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Yeah, it's cheaper to buy the big roll, but there is labour savings in the vycor, and it is very straight edges which is not always so when field cut.
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here's one for the 4th... Roy took this one , so it's a little different from the rest of the series
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As my Dad used to say, "Good work - just not enough of it."
Happy Fourth of July to you and the family, Mike, and to everybody else here too.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Great pictures of you and the chimney and the family. Thanks. DanT
here's Friday... 7/14
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Mike - many have already said it but it bears repeating...
Thanks for your time and a great thread! Buic
Mike,
The detail where the exterior light fixtures go on front of the garage. Is that just the same product you use for trim/ facia?
Looking Good!
yes... Miratec... similar to GP PrimeTrimMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Monday & today were the first hot days of summer.. both over 90
anyways Roy & Chuck are working the front...
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we removed the head casing that came with the door and replaced it with 5/4 x 8 so the tops of the window casings & the door casings will line up with the coursing..
it also gives more mass to the door
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i was working around back roofing the cheeks of the dormer
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and Brad, the plumber, was hiding in the cool basement
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Sounds like you could have a claim against them for tortious interference with a contract.
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
I can just imagine there is another forum somewhere where the abuttheads are posting about their 'horrible neighbor and his evil contractor' :)
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
You're right. There are always two sides. In this one I think the "abutthead's" side is pretty skinny.
Actually blocking access to the site with their vehicle?
Trying to overtly steal your neighbor's land with a trumped up 'adverse possession' claim?
These people are real piece's of work.
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
hey, cat, i googled on that... i might mention it to my customer when he's going to talk to his lawyer
anyways, back to the digs..
yesterday joe poured his footings for the garage..
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because of the lot topo, we've got to pour a high wall and there's a 2d floor on the garage, so i need two columns.. which means i need two column footings..which end up being about 7' from bottom to bottom of garage slab
joe brought two of his form release barrels and we cut the tops & bottoms off to make extended footings for the columns
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ole murphy showed up in spades yesterday..
remember i said there was an earlier design fro a larger house ? well the lumberyard did all the engineering for the floor system
then we redid the design and they redid the engineering and the system take-off
guess which floor package got delivered?
so anyways , we framed the keewall..
we're using our adjustable concrete form adjusters to line the wall, Roy drilled holes thru the 2x4's and we pinned them right thru the stone
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today Randy was hauling gravel, so after the first haul, i decided to ride shotgun ...
the pit is on the mainland , about 40 minutes away, a couple blocks from Randy's in South Kingstown..
here's Pete filling both trucks with the loader
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then we stopped for lunch with Beau..
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Belle was sleeping next to the woodstove
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on the ride back, i was sitting about 5' higher than normal, so i got some pics from the bridge that you can't get from a car..
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here's one of that deck we built two winters ago..
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on the other side, is that site that had the million dollar fire.. the site is the pile of charcoal in back of the 2d dock
back at the site Joe was unloading the forms for the garage walls
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the other half of the neighborhood tag-team was out with her camera everytime we came back.. here she is in her front door going to get her camera
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Rand hauled with two trucks today and he got 6 loads... enough to start carrying the fill around the back to protect the footing from frost
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go Pats !
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Your neighbor is gonna wear out that window shade peeking out all day
Be Doris Kravitz
Watch your back. and good luck
Does this jobsite have two bad neighbors?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
yes...... indeed...
both with the same goal.... an unbuildable lot to their view of the pondMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey! Where the heck's the snow? Don't you Yankees get buried under snow drifts this time of year?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
livin large at 36 degrees !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
What does ten yards of rock cost you out there?
"both with the same goal.... an unbuildable lot to their view of the pond"
great time to sell two third story additions and elevated decks!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Nice pics Mike. Good luck with this build.
I'm confident that you aren't going to take any of the advice which advocates malicious deeds. If it were me, I wouldn't do anything to antagonize them. Those type of people seem to have a knack to get judges to do their bidding, especially when they start producing loads of detrimental pictures.
I've recently been a witness in very similar civil case involving adverse possesion. It's dragged on for almost three years now and the good guys in this case have had to put their lives on hold and have spent over 15k defending. The plaintiffs have spent a similar amount and have recently had their case tossed out in a surprising turnaround. They now have a relatively short window of opportunity to appeal the decision and if they do, there will be a lot more cash handed over to the lawyers. The good guys in this case have stated that they will fight this thing to their last dollar on principle alone and I know they mean it.
I lived in that neighborhood, in that enviorment and I can say that I learned a lot from it. I learned that I will instantly let the bad guys win and I would sell my house immediately when I learned that I had one of these azzholes for a neighbor. I wouldn't be selling because I'm scared of the fight, I'd be selling because life is too short to be subjected to being withing 1/2 mile of one of those idiots. I certainly wouldn't be building anything new like you have started. I truly feel for your clients.
Keep us posted and tell your guys to make sure that their weenies don't get caught on any film. Here in MI, you could end up on the sex offenders list for "indecent exposure" if you are caught urinating in public.
blue
both with the same goal.... an unbuildable lot to their view of the pond
I still think a 30' tall concrete wall would make for good neighbors.
Not that I'm actually advocating putting razor wire at the top.
:)
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
Hi Mike,How do you get the pictures to appear in post? Also clicking on picture shows it to be a smaller file than I would think. Did you resize it first?Thanks
Kevin
This has been discussed to death in the past and it always looked like techno smeckn o.
I post with attatchment, open post and picture, copy pic, edit and paste pic in. I suppose you could have other attatchments and leave them there.
I think there is about a thousand gajillion ways to do this depending on your computer and isp.
Eric[email protected]
It's Never Too Late To Become What You Might Have Been
Just from what you said it sounds like it may put them in their place.
Good luck with your project.
I am sure your clients are lucky they have some one with your tenaciousness on the job.
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
Interesting story, for sure. Maybe it's time for a fence and some No Trespassing signs.
the fence is out ( my client would thereby cede the paper road to the abutter )... but the no tresspassing signs have been up for monthsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
tate.... i've got ground zero selected.. it's a pk point in the road at the top of the drive
here's the first 3 in the series:
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this morning we set the footings for the hot tub deck and the stairs comming out of the back of the garage....
we used some of those "big-foot" deals.. these are BF-24's.. about $16 each
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we'll pour them when they pour the garage
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BTW... the shirtsleeves are for real... it was 50 deg. today ! ( Jan. 9th )
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after lunch we built the centerstick [ (3) 9.5 x 1.75 LVL's ]...
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and randy delivered some more gravel ( lot's more to come , too )
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"we used some of those "big-foot" deals.. these are BF-24's.. about $16 each"
16 bucks doesn't buy much labor to build forms, Mike. I'd say you got your money's worth with those babies.
Hey, those bigfoot forms, do they have a bottom? Do you leave them in place after pouring, or strip them, or what? Can you paint them?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
jim... don't know.... tomorrow i'll see if i can pop one off the top so they'd be reuseable...
i'll bet not
and no, there is no bottom.. so you have to backfill or pin them to keep them from floatingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
jim... don't know.... tomorrow i'll see if i can pop one off the top so they'd be reuseable...
A little oil on it beforehand? jt8
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It is a slick plastic similar to vinyl so I think the maion fator would be the shape. if it has a rim to maintain shape ( these are often poured after being backfilled) then it would not likely slip off. I tripped over some at the lumberyard today but never thought to look re this Q
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yesterday Joe poured, so today he stripped ( a little green, but no frost forecast )
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and loaded up his forms for his next job...
we did some site cleaning , and checking ... mostly standing around waiting for the lumber delivery
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finally , at 1330, the truck showed up.. and we got started with the I-joists..
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these are Boise Cascade AJS-20 x 32'... set at 19.2" oc.
i made a sled or our 10" Milwaulkee, since the flange on the joists is a 2x3 and a 7 1/4 won't quite cut thru
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here's what it looked like at 1530 when we loaded up
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and the 3/4 Advantech waiting for tomorrow
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Mike,
I'm always amazed at how good you guys make constuction look. You do a really great job.
I'm curious though, why not use a chainsaw for the I-joists? hehehe :-)
It looks like you deleted too much, no pic's.
They are both lawyers you said? Poor poor customer you have indeed.He needs to ignore them. THey don't know how to communicate except with a lawsuit.
bill... sorry about that ... kinda weird
they all show up for me
what about this one ?
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Nope, nothing.
Try this one, If it dose'nt work it must be your computer or server!
They didn't show up here .
When I read the title of this thread I just thought that you were whinning about the weather , but no you have real adverse conditions.
works fine here
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They are showing now.Guess that Prespero had a problem for a short time.
Looks like you almost got a cold joint there on the far outside wall.Those barrel forms are easy to set up, ain't they?
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yes... the 2d truck was late and the mix was hot..
the barrel forms worked great, but i still have to extend the footing about 4' to meet the lally column
as to stripping the BigFoot forms so we could get more than one use out of them.. we tried, but i would have had to disturb the footing to make a serious attempt.. and it looked like no way could i do it for less than the $16
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john... here's your 2 latest..
one after they stripped the garage & the other at the end of the dayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I Like those bigfoot forms .........you can turn them over and use them as a funnel if your only filling a few Sono Tubes with a wheelbarrow..........I have a heck of a time trying to fill those Sono tubes on a steep hill with an old wheelbarrow........Hey! Boys! Look out here I come............:-)"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
hehehe, nice visual there, Bob.
Nice to see you around the site again. Welcome home. TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
first 3.
Any idea how much load those bigfoot (feet?) can handle? Do they get any steel in them, or just crete?
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
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Now, that's f'ing funny.
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It's only satisfying if you eat it.
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I love following this thread. Please keep it up. It is the first thing I go to when I get home from work.
tate... far out !..
hey look , dufus... i don't wann hear nuttin about how you're too busy with your project house to come to TipiFest..
just get over it...
the BigFoot forms come in various sizes to correspond to your soil bearing capacity and load requirements
google on BigFoot concrete forms..
no pics today.... left the camera in the truck while it was getting serviced at the Ford Dealer..
we set some LVL beams, and poured the garage and all those BF forms..
also...the engineered floor system changed some of the lally columns for the main beam, so we had to pour two more pads in the basement..
no harm, no foul
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Can somebody tell me how Mike can post the already shown photos without an associated icon at the bottom of the post, at the same time that the icons that are on the same post show different pics than that already shown photo?
be howcome that is?
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
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It's only satisfying if you eat it.
razz.. kinda like eric describes below..
first you post them normal, then you "copy" and paste... then if you go in and "manage attachments" you can delete the associated icons at the bottom so people won't waste time trying to open a pic they've already seen
as far as size.. i decided a long time ago than the resolution i need to print my pics in my plans is a low res.
so i shoot in low res.... i don't resize my pics
if i want to do some artsy pics i can change to a high res.... but these suit my needs to a "t"
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Mike, is that the bridge over to Newport?Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain
yes... luka used that shot to create the logo for RhodeFest.. cool , huh ?
know how you can recognize that profile , compared to other bridges ?
the towers have gothic archesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
<<yes... luka used that shot to create the logo for RhodeFest.. cool , huh ?>>Way cool photo.<<know how you can recognize that profile , compared to other bridges ?the towers have gothic arches>>I didn't notice that but I will now.I remembered it because I rode over that bridge back about 20 years ago when a Marine friend of mine was in the can over in Newport. Rode up to see him to cheer him up.That is the most expanded metal decking I have ever seen in one place. All I could think of as I wobbled over that crap is if I fall it's going to be like going through a cheese grater.I'll be real easy to digest for the fish. <G>Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain
I see, simply delete the icon. Thanks
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Mike,
Sounds and loks like a very nice project. I just started reading it today and cold not stop until I read all the post. Cool pics, and a very nicly maintained site. I am interested in the building process, but more interested in the conflict with the neighbor. Nothing like a conflict (especially when you are right) to keep the blood flowing strong.
Here in Texas, we would make the neighbors famous....... putting their picture on milk cartons all across the country as a missing persons.
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Mike, do you remember "Buckles Mullease" (sp) of the Busy Bee Construstion Co.? Well he and his buddy, "Joey One Arm", both from Federal Hill, would take care of that "Pain in the Buttocks" neighbor, with one conversation, and they would probably do it for a plate of pasta. LOL.........Pop
didn't Buckles go down for the Bonded Vault Deal ?
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What a beautiful morning with the new snow! I am not sure what Buckles went down for, but I know how and why he got his name "Buckle's Maleese" (I think is correct sp). As an inforcer, he would wrap his wide belt around his hand with the large belt buckle in front of his nuckles, then he would make a fist and punch you in the face several times! Much of his construction equipment, I understand, was borrowed from the state, in broad day light and re-painted. He just wasn't smart enought to have remove the state's asset numbers from the equipment, dump turcks, tractors, and so on. He probably figured, that even if he was caught, nothing would happen, as he was connected all the way up to a Supreme Court Judge, and we all know who that was!
You hear stories, and names all of which are very colorful, and interesting, and on many occasions, the wrong thug, gets his name stuck to the wrong crime, but they are all guilty! Sometimes, I think, "Only in RI". LOL Pop
Now I am remembering the Bonded Vault robbery. They caught, I think, all those involved, but never how much was stolen. Many Safety Box Holders, would not tell the authorities what they had stolen, for fear from the IRS, and other "Thugs". LOL
Next time they try to take your photo, tell them to stop since you didn't sign a model release. Unless you're making news or at a public event, they need your permission.
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
well.. three cops, the BI, the town engineer, my guys, the homeowner.. i'd say it might qualify as a public event !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Usually, it needs to be in a public place, too. If it happens at City Hall or in the zoning dept, it obviously qualifies. The neighbor sounds like a total nobk. He and his wife seem like a great match. You sure they weren't related before they got married?
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
after lunch the guys worked on the 2d floor ceiling... two layers of mesh & strapping ( furring )
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i spent the afternoon ripping mooney 2x2 .... 1500 ft. so far
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Mike this may be a stupid question,but are you puttings the insul-mesh up before the mechanicalsare in?Just wanted to add also that if we had a voteon the best threads this one would be at the top 5I REALLY appreciate what you are doing.
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yes, but only on the 2d floor , and the electrical / plumbing will go thru or under itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"yes, but only on the 2d floor , and the electrical / plumbing will go thru or under it"There was a discussion a couple of months ago about where electric can be run along the bottom of the joist when strapping is used.I was under the impression that is what you did.But most of the replies though that it was against the NEC.
it used to be common.. but i think you're right about the new code..... anything within 1 1/2" has to be plated now..
so .. my electrician can still run between the furring but he has to plate it as it jumps overMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike
I've been following this thread from the beginning, but as a cabinet maker I don't know what half the stuff your talking about is!
When you finally do a Mooney wall could you please show a picture of it, you've made reference to it on several occasions but I don't know what one is.
I've enjoyed the your details of this thread
Thanks
Doug
Until you find out, like me I thought it was like a $money$wall but I was studying like a good student and found out .
Here's a couple of threads that answers some of that ?
http://forums.taunton.com/n/find/findRedir.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&mg=B06E1AD9-BD32-4F80-8744-3065FE34096D
http://forums.taunton.com/n/find/findRedir.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&mg=B4E09CA2-F134-47B5-8B0F-828F0D5A7679
http://forums.taunton.com/n/find/findRedir.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&mg=4A59B9AE-D7B1-46B4-BFC6-111BAED571B4
It also helped when I finally figured out the spelling for search, seems like money wall doesn't get you much these days.
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Guess I missed something - what is that mesh, and what is it for?"he...never charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it, too" - Mark Twain
lulled into thinking Spring is here by the mild January/ February... but winter still has a grip
we installed the basement casement windows, then went around and put poly on all the door openings, so by lunch we were weather tite
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and lunch is when the snow started
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Mike, back to my question of the window flashing. If the pre-installation Grace sidewraps on the jambs and head are superfluous, and you gotta admit they ate up at least a few bucks in labor and material, why would you do it on a hard-money job?
And you never really confirmed you were going to flashtape the side and head flanges after window installation. Can we presume you will be doing so?
gene... the Grace pan flash is 12" ... the sides /top are 8"
the window is installed and then flash taped with 3" strips of Grace..
could i have gotten by with less ? sure... how much ?
to me the flash tape is only as good as the substrate it is being stuck to.. it gets good stick on the flange, but not so good on plywood
if the substrate is Grace, then i know i've got a good bond/seal
i could maybe change it to, say, an 8" pan flash & a 6" side for substrate, but i'd still keep the 3" flash tape.. don't know.. i do know i've chased leaks on sliding glass doors that cost me a couple hundred, so an extra $100 roll of Grace doesn't seem bad for the risk / reward payoff.. once again we're building in an ocean front enviornment and my habits are formed from the "once bitten-twice wary" schoolMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, if you wrapped the house first, wouldn't that be a good substrate?
I'm guessing you don't want to expose the wrap for such an extended period.
blue
we don't use no stinkin house wrap..... we be usin 30# felt
ackshally... i did use tyvek on one house... but stopped when i read some of the reports about good old felt being just as good ...
we'll paper in as we sideMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, have you tried the flashing method that was in JLC a couple of issues back? I've been doing it on doors, and it definitly gives double coverage.By the way, I've been sending every contractor I sub for, here, to see what a really clean job site looks like. You are one anal old fart, ha,ha,ha <G> Hey, pocket doors can't come off the track if they're nailed open
c'mon, holly.... you know we only clean up for the camera crew
which issue of JLC ?... what's on the cover ?... oh, ok.... Carl Hagstrum... 'nudder olde fart
i guess if he's got double coverage , then i've got triple... but we're all on the same page.... don't want no leaks !
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today was "get ready for the accountant at 4pm" day... Corps are due on March 15th..
anyways.. the guys ran the Mooney on all the exterior walls....
here's a closeup showing our lower spacing... so we get good nailing for baseboard and heating baseboard
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the windows will get picture framed with mooney after we shim & foam them
and a long view of the install
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and a closeup of our corners that we foamed a couple days ago
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the plumber came by to scope out , figure him for week after next.. so partitions next week
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Hey Mike, Just as long as we agree<G>Your corners, I think I like 'em...got any detail pics of them? and how do you foam them? Your dossier is getting large...LOLAnd, thanks, for taking the time and for sharing some danged good ideas. Hey, pocket doors can't come off the track if they're nailed open
holly, it's a 2 stud corner.. and the abutting wall makes the 3d stud, which leaves a 2x2 pocket.. i ripped some 2" strips of 1" foam.. slipped them in and stuck the gun foam nozzle in the gap..
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Mike:
What size jamb extentions do you order your windows/doors with? Just curious.
Thanks.
we rip all our jamb extensions on site.. or sometimes we have just the sill and the plasterer wraps the jambs & headMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
we rip all our jamb extensions on site.. or sometimes we have just the sill and the plasterer wraps the jambs & head
What do you do for exterior inswing doors?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Let me guess what Mike will say.
He'll say he boosts the 2x4-framed ROs with 1-1/2" surrounds, so that the RO depths match the 5-inch total depth of the Mooney wall. For the ordinary wood-framed exterior doors, he'll order them special with frames ripped to 6-1/16 inches. The rip, of course, is taken off the outboard of the frames, before brickmold is applied.
But I want to ask Mike what he does if his Mooney wall is to be penetrated with something like an Andersen Frenchwood hinged patio door. As far as I know, those are only available in frame depths for 2x4 and 2x6 walls. Mike's Mooney depth is an in-betweener.
our walls finish at 6" ( +).. ( 1/2+3.5+1.5+1/2 )
so ordering a door for a 2x6 wall works just fineMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You have a half inch diff, Mike. The Frenchwood hinged door is for a finish of 6-9/16" more or less. Drywall (1/2) over studframe (5-1/2) under sheathing (1/2) plus a little fudge.
The inside wood jambs of an inswing Frenchwood would be pooched out 1/2 proud of your wall finish, with the weather flanges outside tight to your flashed sheathing. You would need to give such a door a different trim scheme inside versus all your other doors and windows.
bs... you pad the exterior 1/2" , which flushes the interior.. and the exterior casing hides the 1/2"......
a 1/2" is easy to kill...
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To each his own, Mike. You would pad the outside, I would pad the inside.
I seek out and welcome inside trim challenges, and prefer not to booger with outsides when it comes to flashing and weatherproofing.
But I am glad that we agree that there is 1/2" to deal with.
Hey Mike. As long as we're to the Mooney walls now, can I ask a question?
A year ago or so, someone asked about putting the vapor barrier on the face of the 2x4 studs, then furr with 2x2s and run as many penetrations as possible on the warm side of the vapor barrier, then insulate the furred area also. You remember this conversation? Poster seemd really knowledgable, quoted studies and whatnot.
Anyways, have you considered that and rejected the idea? Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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jim, since we went to dens-pak.. i no longer use a vapor barrier..
and IF i were still doing fiberglass, i'd probably go the the air-tight drywall that Gene Leger was promoting.. where is Gene these days ?
short answer.. i think the vapor barrier set at 1.5" inside the wall would give you a bad 1.5" area
i think that guy ( whoever he was ) was very knowledgeable though..
i've done some cost / value comparisons on the Mooney wall vs. foam/strapping wall
looks like a wash.. with a slight edge to the mooney wallMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"where is Gene these days ?"
I got the impression the argumentative nature of some of those "discussions" wore him down, Mike. Remember how rough it got? Agree with him or not, he seemed humble to me, like someone who would state their case, but wasn't up to the confrontational style of some of the more serious discussions back then.
"The Leger House". Remember those references? Geez, talk about a pioneer. Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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Jim, I find the arguments to be tiring, especially if someone wants to add some personal stuff. There have been lots of times when I withheld information that might be useful because I don't want to deal with the fallout.
blue
I'm with ya, blue.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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I'm with you guys on that issue also . It does not make sence to be an ahole over someone elses way to do things . This is a big country and many enviroments .
I have started to do strapping now . Just on my ceilings though . I have converted to cells for insulation in stick built . I would like to find a local source for the mesh that Mike uses .
Keep your new ideas flowing , damn the aholes full speed.
Keep your new ideas flowing , damn the aholes full speed.
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Kinda like I have heard that some place before.
don... i don't know where local is.. i guess i already told you about Regal Industries
that's where i used to buy the Insul mesh until i found my insulation supply carried it
( Insul Mart, Seekonk , Mass )Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I am in Illinois Thanks Mike
Regal is in Indiana.. they may have distributors in your areaMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I emailed that site that I replied to Mike with. They sent me a price list in Doc form, I converted it to PDF. I'm guessing it is the 'insul web' product.
Let me know if you find anyone else in the area who carries it.
[edit to add] I later ordered the insulmesh directly from the manufacturer. The price of the product plus s/h was cheaper than buying it from a insulation/roofing supply.
jt8
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yes, insul web... ours are 9' rolls
and we tried their glue.. worked great.. then we found that Elmers White Glue works just as well....
you know, whne you put up the insul web, you have to stretch it tight and use a lot of staples, even so... you still have to glue it so the cells will not get between the stud and the mesh and create bumps ...
the drywall guys don't appreciate any bumpsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
you still have to glue it so the cells will not get between the stud and the mesh and create bumps ...
The cells are that small? In a past post where you were fabricating and installing dams you mentioned foaming up the gaps.
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cells are cellulose insulation.. in a fluffed state, it flows like water and will penetrate any crack.. that's why you can Dens-pak itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
framing the garage... boy did we get a nice pour.. there was one place we had to shim 1/4".. anyways.. Chuck & Mike set one of our 24' pics as a platform to frame on
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here's chuck routing out the window with my 1971 router.. which makes it about 14 years older than chuck
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and the finished wall.. with the plywood extended above the plate line to tie the 2d floor wall to the first floor
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here's a little change of scenery..
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U can't put that garage there ...
Yer blocking my view!
I'll sue I tell ya ....
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Mike, I'm shocked, no impressed because it looks like your guy saved a few cripple studs above the header.
I'm nominating him for the Owl Saving Club.
Good pics, keep them coming.
blue
jim.. that was just for you .. i personally gave them the "jim allen, save an owl " speech..
and also reminded them that our handiwork was going to be there for posterity.. no sheetrock to hide our sins in the future
now... the real question... to embed.... or not to embed ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, I think Boss Hog's idea to embed thumbnails is the way to go. I have Comcast so I don't mind the embedded pics. I don't mind clicking on pics even if they are numerous and numbly numbered. Heck, I click on those monsters that come in over 1000 bytes!
I was seriously shocked when I saw those missing cripples. If I could get every framer in this country to eliminate just one or two cripples on each house, I think I could save the rainforests.
blue
Let me throw this one at ya again:
Mike, I saw that pic of the exterior corner, but how do you run an interior non-bearing wall into the Mooney exterior wall? Just mooney across with your blocking, then mount a 2x to the blocking and take the interior wall from there?
In a regular 2x4 wall, I'd probably put a couple studs with a 3rd one turned 90 degrees nailed between them. But that only leaves about 2" behind that can be insulated. That would be pretty poor R value for that 7" or so of wall.jt8
"If you don't make mistakes, you aren't really trying." -- Coleman Hawking
john..i'll take some pics of mooney / partition junctures .. as you can figger.. there's lot's of ways to skin this mooney catMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
basement slab tomorrow , and it might rain.. so we moved outdoors today so we'd have indoor work tomorrow
anyways .. the basement is all prepped, we have 1" EPS on all the walls so they can pour against it
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Who makes the equipment for the dens-pak. Do you contract this out?. I hope the homeowners appreciate that they are getting a home built to standards far and above most homes built anywhere.You are building this as if it were your own.
You are building this as if it were your own.
That's why it's called "Fine Homebuilding". Isn't that one of your goals for your projects?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
we blow our own Dens-pak... we use an old US Fiber machine from 1980 with a Hurricane blower...
we now have two Hurricanes.. our old one went on the fritz last year so we bought a new one.. and had the old one rebuilt as a spareMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
J, thanks for the link .
That's a clever idea, framing on two planks, Mike. Don't think I've seen that before.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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The product name is "insul mesh"?
This might be your IN source. The regal wall looks inferior to a Mooney.
http://www.regalind.com/regal_wall.htm
jt8
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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If you haven't read the threads on the Persist system do a search for them.It is not the samething that you are talking about, but the effect is similar.
I'd flow with Mike on that. I want those long hinge screws to hit the stud, not th e plasterboard.
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What about the other doors, the not-Frenchwood ones? Mike's Mooney wall assembly has their long hingescrews going into maybe a joint.
Anal like I am about some aspects of framing, if I were to do a Mooney-wall job, I might be tempted to leave out the trimmers in my exterior door ROs until the walls were up, then pop in trimmers 5 inches deep, ripped from 2x6.
I would then sideblock the ROs with 2x2 each side, short lengths against the kingstuds, in between the Mooney horizontals. Thus I would have 3 inches of nailing for side casings, plus solid purchase for my top and middle long hinge screws.
So you think a 200 Andersen slider window is OK, as compared to their 400? Proposal is going to the client tonight. There is a huge takeout option for downgrading to 200s. I am afraid if they take it they will be unhappy with their windows.
morning was a little zooey... we're framing the garage walls and the concrete guys show up.. and the concrete trucks..
and the plumbing supply truck with the tub /showers
oh, well.... everyone is still smiling..
here's Chuck & Mike framing the common wall...
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and a detail of the double PT jack for the 9' door header
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MikeStop deleting the upload files.For some reaons the embedded pictures won't alway load for me.If I stop and try and load the link from the embedded picture then I get an error message that it can't load because of too many redirections.But I have never had a problem open a direct include picture link.
ok... sorry about that.... i'll see if i can put them backMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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Mike, where did you get those braces?
-Lou
the only access to the basement for concrete was from the front.. so we poured it thru the door and down the stairwell
we also got some around the end thru the chimeny well
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here's Mark with his jitterbug..notice the midway lights we rigged yesterday so they could see what they were doing
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i stopped back after work .... 6:45... they were just loading the power trowel.. job looked good when i looked down the hole
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Mike,
Just wondering, what the cost of the Ready mix is running in your neck? Were at $105 a yd. with a $25 fuel sur- charge per truck & 7.2% sale tax for 5 1/2 sack mix, 3yd. min 7am-4pm weekdays only.
got three quotes.... with the heat & 2% accelerator.. they were all averaging $100 / cyMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
counting the ferry, more like 120 here now
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Mike,
I am impressed with your work, but more impressed that you have kept up with the progress on BT and included pics with commments.
As I understand, you are a design / build guy like myself. I also understand that you perform your frame work with an in-house crew.
If these are true, we have a lot in common: seem to be about the same age (I am 51), use CAD software (I use Softplan and I have seen your post regarding Chief) and do custom design / build projects. I formally used an in-house crew for many phases, with best experience at framing, interior trim and cabinets. I now sub all of my work, except I still pretend I am doing site prep and grading while playing on my tractor and skid loader.
Great house, I am enjoying the thread, even though I think this is my first post to this thread.
I haven't seen a jitterbug in ages! I like having the house on top first before the slab, but it doesn't always happen that way
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Mike - What's a jitterbug? I've never heard that term before.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
don.. this is a jitterbug.. they used to be homemade...every finisher made his own..
i made one out of an old push mower handle and a 2x4.. now they come with a stamped metal base and the handles..
the finishers use them if they're pouring a 3/4" stone mix as opposed to a peastone ( 3/8 ) mix.. it tamps the stones and brings the cream up.. some finishers say it's a bad idea.. just bullfloat...
me.. whatever the guy wants to do is fin with me.. the proof is in the finish
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i always start the day by bringing Helen her coffee in bed..
here's mine . the dancing goats from Blodgett. and Helen's... with a pic of Phalen to say hello
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in the light of day, looks like we got a nice finish on the slab..
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i got tied up at the office this morning ... so the guys put in the window we had left out for the pour... and finished sheathing the walls
then we set the beam .. (2) 1 3/4 x 12 LVL's
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we braced the walls by tieing them to the rebar set in the lally column base
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Monday we should get the deck on and start the roof frame
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Happy Friday...
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Mike, Nice to see the turnbuckles down where you can reach them :) The job is looking great! I'm going to dense pack my new shop, thanks to your inspiration.
Did a cathedral on my last customers home. Worked great! Thanks!!
Brudoggie
seemed like a bad case of the slows today.. we had to adjust the braces on the front to take a bow out.. then finished the joists and got most of the 3/4 Advantech down
tomorrow we'll set the lally columns and start framing the roof
we're also supposed to get the boiler .. plan to drop it thru the stairwell before we get the stairs in the way
here's the front
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... and the deck
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this window is sized to take our 2d floor gypsum delivery.. if we take both sash out , we'll have a 52" opening so they can boom the sheets for the plasterers
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" supposed to get the boiler .. plan to drop it thru the stairwell"Must be some big boiler, Mike. Can we see pictures of that process after you get it? (Unless you have already - you know how slow I am...)I notice you even seam seal the plywood joit gaps with foam ina can. Good move.
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Mike, Cute kid! Must take after mom. My wifes expecting twins soon.
-Lou
lou... that's the grandson..Phalen
and i got those braces at Contractor's Supply in East Providence...
used to have 6 , now we have 12.. we have way too many of everything and never enough to do the jobMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, hows the job coming. I read a few old threads and I cant beleive how much agravation you had with the neighbors. I'll tell you one of my stories when I have the time (It will blow your mind).
-Lou
Lou, go to the Fest Folder and sign up for Tipifest-Breaktime 06. Then you can tell the story to a crowd.
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Mike
I was away the last week without internet access.... boy did I miss your thread here. Couldn't wait to get my "fix".
For some reason, from post 741 and on, I do not see the embedded images.
Anyone know how to get them back?
phil.... bill hartman pointed that out also... i'll see if i can repost them
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i think these are the missing ones:Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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Hey Mike
Thanks for all the pictures and effort you have put into this thread. Your work is top notch!!
I'm just plain old diy guy, BUT this thread has been a blast!!!
Really looking forward to the mooney wall and insulation details.
Bill
we have way too many of everything and never enough to do the job
dang aint' that the truth....never heard it said like that...gotta remember that!
again, thanks for the time taken to post and keep this thread going. I feel as though I should be sending a tuition check or something...
...maybe just a few milkbones...:Pknowledge without experience is just information.... Mark Twain
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charlie, he who dies with the most toys...
has a widow with a garage full of junkMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"has a widow with a garage full of junk'
won't last long ...
Helen has our addy!
I'm in the will anyways, right?
Jeff ... aka ... Mike Jr. Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
hey Mike, isn't that crock pot like from like 1958?
no , lou... all of our houses have been on septic systems, so we compost..
that's our 1973 cooking pot.. the skunks, possoms , raccoons, neighborhood dogs, and especially the worms, are very thankfull
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started the day with the heating sub delivering the boiler and the 300 gal. oil tank
Roy brought his chain-fall and we lowered them both thru the stairwell ..
Roy is definitely having too much fun...
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Mike and Chuck were catching in the basement
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Regional question, I guess. Are boilers prevalent out there? And if so, what's the rationale vs something else. I have 0 experience with them. I dont think I've ever even seen a boiler in a house before. How things vary from place to place."A bore is a man who, when you ask him how he is, tells you." -Bert Taylor
in New England, i'd guess that 60% - 70% of houses are heated with oil-fired hot water baseboard heat..
the boiler ( in this case a Weil -McLein ) will have 7 zonesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
7 zones?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
3 down + 3 up + boiler-mate = 7 zonesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Is that common nawadays?a 32x44 foot print doesn't seem that big for 3 zones on both floors.was thinking, basement, over the garage, maybe two on each floor, and 7 would be?plumbing must be $$.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
bobl... all it takes is zone valves and thermosats... so you might as well divide it
could have been 5 zones ( 2 down, 2 up + boiler-mate ) so 2 more just give a little more flexibilityMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
What's a boiler-mate? (And don't tell me it's a boiler in the land of Oz)
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I think its a potable water tank.
a Boiler-Mate is an insulated tank / heat excanger with a thermostat & a valve.. you set it up next to the boiler, it turns the boiler on and off to maintain the potable hot water for the house..
it eliminates a seperate hot water heater
http://www.amtrol.com/boilermate.htmMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
So...Without this boiler, you generally find more need to heat hot water ?;o)
I've got you outnumbered, one to one. Come out and meet your doom. ~Yosemite Sam
jeff, i don't understand your question:
<<<
So...
Without this boiler, you generally find more need to heat hot water ?
;o)>>>>
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It was probably a play on the "hot water heater" phrase.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
jeff, i don't understand your question:
I suspect he is one of those folks who makes fun of people who use the phrase 'hot water heater' instead of just saying 'water heater'.
jt8
"If you don't make mistakes, you aren't really trying." -- Coleman Hawking
Making fun of, and poking fun at (or ribbing), are two totally different things.I am positive that Mike knows I wouldn't make fun of him.
I've got you outnumbered, one to one. Come out and meet your doom. ~Yosemite Sam
i'm positive that given the opportunity, you would... i hopeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Make fun of you ?Nope. I don't do that. Poke fun at... Yes. Yank chains, yes. Rib, yes. But making fun OF someone is just too much like slapping them or insulting them, or otherwise attacking them. I don't like the way it leaves me feeling.
I've got you outnumbered, one to one. Come out and meet your doom. ~Yosemite Sam
anyways... we'll see about that tomorrow.. in the meantime, we set the rafters
here's Joe Carola's ridge splice...
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and the rafters with a couple left for tomorrow
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I don't generally feel the need to heat hot water. I heat the cold water, then leave it alone.;o)
I've got you outnumbered, one to one. Come out and meet your doom. ~Yosemite Sam
Mike,
Your threads are like a "how to" book. Great work. You remind me of my dad's construction, but updated three decades!
Your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime - Mose Allison
stood the south gable up..
alleyoop ...
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oops !...... i think we built some camber into the plate.. i'll see if we can draw it back down with a thru rod from the top of the gable rafter to the bottom of the plate on the wall below
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Mr. Smith,
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Thank you again for you continued dedication to this thread. The house looks like it is coming along very well.
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1. I noticed that you have your “…roman aqueducts…†in service still. Are you still concerned about settling the fill in the garage area?
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2. Also in the garage, you and your crew are installing an interior stairwell. Are there any code requirements or considerations for building a fire tower / breaks (i.e. are you required to install double layers of drywall or a course of concrete block around the stairwell?
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3. The exterior front area looks to be taking shape. Have any thoughts been given to landscaping / hardscaping?
- Will the driveway be asphalt, pavers or left as crushed stone?
- I recall that the house plans called for a rear deck, however, will there be a
porch or patio area in the front?
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4. What are your thoughts on rain gutters, and particularly for use on this project. Do you personally feel that gutters would detract from the aesthetics of the house?
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5. Any plans to install a front entryway roof?
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6. What type of garage doors are going to be installed (wood, fiberglass, steel)?
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As always, thank you in advance for your considerable patience and invaluable time.
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aqueducto continues to carry water whenever it rains.. i'm not concerned about compaction.. but there's no reason to stop watering it until we pour a slab
the garage and the 2d floor of the garage have to be seperated from the house by drywall
the 2d floor of the garage is not living area so no separation is required.. so...open stairwell
driveway & parking will be asphalt..
the front entry structure went to pay the lawyers to defend the title
i hate gutters, the planning board requires them so the roof runoff will not run directly into the wetlands (??????????????) and we have to run all the leaders into a catchbasin... which then runs into .... the wetlands ( ?????????)
so, yes , we'll have gutters
the frontentry way roof went to pay lawers
steel garage doors
the loft area of the garage used to have a full shed dormer but it went to pay lawyers to defend the title
stay tued... all will be revealed..
and thanks for askingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"i hate gutters"wha wha what? You hate the look, or you hate the concept. Do you find them a necessary evil, or unnecessary alltogether? Do you build most houses without them when they are not required by wetlands commisions? House looks great by the way. Cool bonus (a laughable term) space over the garage. Do you know what the owners will use it for?Thanks again. This thread is a lot of fun to watch."Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though."
Mike and I have the same feelings on gutters. A properly designed house doesn't need them. That's why he mentioned the entry dormer that got deleted for lawyer money. Good design diverts water away from entrys and such that need sheltering.
As a roofer fro my first twenty some years, I saw gutters cause more problems than they saved
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This intrigues me. What about all that water runoff that lands near the foundation and perks through the soil, causing potential basement water problems? What about all the dirt and water that splashes up against the side of the house during heavy runoff from a strong rain?Not as though I'm saying I'm right and your wrong. It's just a matter of what I have been taught, so edjumacate me.I was taught, that it is best to take all the rainwater from the roof down through downspouts and then, if possible, tie in somewhere underground and take the water as far away from the house as possible. The theory being less water in the soil near the actual home.I agree with you about diverting water where needed. IMO this is one of, if not the most important aspect of roof design.......especially here in New England."Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though."
the foundation should keep the house 18" up off the soil anyway, and the soil graded away for surface runoff.be careful where you tie drops into under ground. Some people make the mistake of tieing them into the perimeter drain and add water to the foundation instead of carrying it away.I think I have some photos of a separate drain but can't find them tonight
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xos.. i mean i hate gutters.. i've had the same experience with them that piffen had
they create more damage than they prevent.. and i always try to design our houses and additions without them
look at the pitch of this lot... wow , what in the world would i need gutters on this house for ? i have 16" overhangs.. and in can solve drainagbe & splash problems with landscaping.. instead we're going to invest something in the neighborhood of $3000 for gutters, installation and piping....
and about $5000 for a catch basin and drainage "forebay".. all to temporarily divert the water that has been flowing down this street and across these lawns since this subdivision was built in the '60's
we install gutters all the time. aluminum , copper, and wood... but that is because we are usually replacing something that hasn't been maintained, or was improperly installed to begin withMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
That's why I like this site. It allows me to get outside the realm of just being taught one way by a small group of people. This is particularly eye opening, because as I mentioned I was taught gutters were just standard. Thanks for expaining. Andrew
I'm a landscape contractor speciallizing in hardscape projects. I agree that the water needs to go away for the reasons you stated. A great way to do it w/o gutters on the house is to use what I call "ground gutters".
Dig a shallow swale about a foot deep under the drip line and line it with EPDM pond liner that will last a long time. Place perforated pipe and cover with washed stone. Run the outflow to whereever you can, depending on the site.
Plant foundation plants outside of this system. Many foundation plantings are placed too close to the house as it is, so this helps with spacing to allow for growth and house maintenance.Bear
bearmon.. i can certainly say amen to that... 95% of the houses we work on had their landscape plantings too close to the house..
i guess nost people just can't visualize how big these things are going to get.. and they apparently don't know much about pruning and training Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
then we got the first two rows of Advatech 5/8 T&G ply on... so by 3, when we started cleaning up, it looked like this
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got the rest of the rafters up and chuck installed all the H2.5's ( one per rafter )..
took him about 20 minutes front and back , 34 rafters, 10 nails each.. amazing things , these positive placement guns and this one converts to a stick framer in about 30 seconds
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then we ran our sub-fascia... ripped two pieces out of 2x10.. we need subfascia to properly support our fascia trim.. but we also need it for perimeter blocking in our windzone..
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the BI stopped at lunch time.. he likes our work .. so, if he's happy , we're happy
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and Happy St. Patrick's Day to you !
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I will research this further, sounds like a great idea. Thanks."Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though."
while the guys were finishing the roof sheathing... i built a catwalk in the attic with the roof cutoffs.. we want 18" of cellulose , so we'll blow 20- 22" this catwalk is at 20"
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the Owner is doing his own A/C , one of the uncles is a tin-knocker.. so here's the main trunk.. nice insulation job , no ?
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Wait just a minute!
Ducted A/C? Plus, a seven-zone oil-fired hot water heating system?
What extravagance! This client must have money to burn!
Why not oil-fired forced air, run through the same supply and return arrangement?
who knows what evil lurks ?
nah.. the A/C was not in the original scope.. the Owner added it two weeks ago.. so, your question is valid.. but that's the way it goesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Am I a little off or is the window in the garage gable off center? If so, I'm sure there's a good reason.
Nice work.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
yes , it's off center, it's next to a stairwell and it's as close to the landing as possibleMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike, was thinking such with the floor cutout.
Please, my regards to your lovely wife.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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after we finished a couple odd-jobs back in Jamestown, we returned to the digs and Roy and Mike finished the last of the wall sheathing ...
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Coupla q's Mike.
What is the advantage of plywood as sheathing? It is rarely used here, on even the megacamps (your new Adirondack weekend house is not a house, it's a "camp.)
Gonna housewrap with felt? We've become housewrap fans, which we think saves us labor and material both, probably more than enough to pay for the higher cost.
plywood is stronger that osb.... it's just what we use
as to housewrap... no thanks..
i like felt for walls of heated structuresMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Always the contrarian, I gotta dig deeper about this sheathing and wrap.
Ply on the walls because it's stronger, sez you. How much stronger, and how much does the diff really count? Are houses sheathed with OSB failing somewhere?
Round here, the only 1/2" CDX in stock is that 4-ply stuff, which we consider garbage.
And why doesn't the same argument work with the roof sheathing material choice?
As regards the use of a fiber-reinforced film material for use on sidewalls, if one has converted to the use of another type of fiber-reinforced film material as a roofing underlayment (and at a premium cost over felt), they why not use the same logic on the sidewalls?
If your project had been competitively bid, with somewhat open specs, what would your competitors have planned to use?
4 ply? plywood has an odd number so the faces run the long way. OSB has even more plys and is every bit as strong as plywood. Edge nailing into ply you get what? 3 thin pieces with the grain and 2 at the edge of the end grain...split city. Mike, I like the way you tied the gable end by using your sheathing vertically in conjunction with the horizontal lower sheets.
"plywood has an odd number so the faces run the long way. "It does unless it has an even number, such as 4 ply.http://www.potlatchcorp.com/wood/plywood.asphttp://www.rosboro.com/plywood.asphttp://www.nhci.com/plywood.html
gene.... felt is equal to or better than the best housewrap in terms of moisture passage
ply is a better nail base than osb
and Advantech is not in the same league as osb
what does "competitive bid " mean ?... my design , my sandboxMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
PINE BOUGH! PINE BOUGH!Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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i thought that would be on the first gable , not the last ????...
but , yeah... PINE BOUGH !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I always thought that was when you get it dried in. Some guys wait until it's roofed, but that paper you use works for me.
PINE BOUGH!Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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Yeah, I bet the norsemen would have used synthetic UDL instead of those pesky saplings if they had them...
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the guys were running trim ,
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i spent the morning running around...
and the afternoon ripping the decorative sills out of Trex
here's our saw table....
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and the finished profile
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Wednesday.. 3/22..
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Mike,You let an old man on site to hold that piece of Trex for the photo?
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Where are those decorative sills going to be installed MIKE?
blue
each window gets one... here's one
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and the collar ties on the garage
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and the Bilco door for the basement
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and we got our 504 pieces of Hardie plank today too, so next week we can start hanging that
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tomorrow , we'll go to JLC and see what new bag of tricks we can find
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either the final grade is going to be quite a bit higher, or this is going to be the first house where you have to climb a ladder to get in the basement door... :-)
yes, ladders are under appreciatedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm sure there is a great explanation for why the Bilco door is so high (grade coming up?) but since you had to pour a bump-out already why not just put a regular walk-up door in?Is the Bilco cheaper? Does the client need protection for the still?
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<and we got our 504 pieces of Hardie plank today too>Is it prefinished?If not, what kind of finish are you planning on using?
it's pre-finished, but we intend to do another coat ...
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Hi Mike
Again, I love watching this house get built. This thread needs an index to key construction words!
Amongst other details I am anxious to see, I am awaiting when you get to the exterior window trim and the fiber cement installation. If you can, when you get to that point.... can you please note the dimensions and angles for your trex sills? Maybe a photo or two of the side profile?
Wish I could drop by and watch you work this magic in person. I bet you could charge admission. Call it tuition charges.
Thanks for sharing what you do.
started the morning prepping that insurance job again..
then met with a client about a small interior design / build
then back here to meet Randy and get that water line in...
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and Brad ( the plumber ) got the meter installed and valved off.. so now we have running water
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aqueducto dumped a lot of water into the garage last night.. but most of it ran right out the front.. so i built a higher dam
here's your pic..
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Mike, your review of the wobble light?
and the bulb you chose?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
if you can only have one light .. the wobble is great.. we got ours after tim uhler sang their praises
and at JLC they also had an assessory reflector so you can focus the light instead of the 360 deg. general lighting
i chose the florescent. i was leary of the halogen due to the heat.. but we only have the one and i've never seen the others in use
this one is about two years old now.. same bulb
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Thanks Mike.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
I bought a wobble light at Christmas and gave it to dad (macular degeneration) - chose the 250w halogen - (1200w equivalent, maybe?) - takes about 5 minutes to warm up, and ya got to let it rest for 15 minutes after turning off before turning back on -
surprisingly, heat doesn't seem to be much of an issue - actively cooled with a fan, but the exhaust doesn't feel particularly warm - of course when we hit summertime it may be more signifigant -
sure does brighten up a room -
"there's enough for everyone"
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You mean metal halide?Halogen don't give out that much more light than regular incandensances.
You mean metal halide?
you are exactly right, Bill -
sorry about that -
"there's enough for everyone"
Looks like a pile of Hardi Plank is waiting, Mike. Great siding.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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framing the screened porch.. the plate consists of (3) 4x12 PT
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a view from above
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tied into the gable end and bearing on the stud wall
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and the exterior tie
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most of these details are so we can comply with the wind uplift requirements for our 110 MPH wind zone
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Picture L312 of the backhoe and trench ... what's that copper pipe sculpture in the foreground?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
That appears to be a glass top table, turned up side down. My guess. Brudoggie
Sculpture?That's Mike's dowsing rod to find that pesky water line.
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>> Brad ( the plumber ) got the meter installed and valved off.. so now we have running water <<
Is that the permanent location for the water meter? Here, down south, they are located in a cast iron box out in the yard, by the street.
then back to the stairs....
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Mike, Do you get those 3x treated as stock there? Never seen anything like that here. Only pt parralams.
Glad to see you found the water line. I spent part of yesterday looking for a unknown septic. I'm sure we'll find it in the worst place, when we start digging. Brudoggie
bru.. we have a big treatment plant close by.. and lots of dockbuilders.. so BB&S gives pretty good service to all the lumber yards
those are 4x12 ( 16' )
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i got the plasterers going on that insurance job..
and it was raining in Middletown.. so the guys were framing one of the kneewalls over the garage
when i got back it was still raining, so we went to the diner for a safety meeting...
and Chuck got to do some bragging about his new Charley J.
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i went inside and finished the rough stairs for the basement
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i'm using 1 1/8 rimboard for the finished treads.. wax side up until the plasterers are done , then i'll flip them over and rout a nosing on them
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Mike - In the picture of the stairs in post 959, it looks like the 2xs are lapped from top to bottom. Why are they lapped? Temp wall?
Thanks for the pics. I've showed the job to a few guys around here and everyone is impressed.
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don.... those studs start on the basement floor and extend to the top of the half wall at the top of the 2d floor
i think they're 16'.. but they have to be like 19'.. so i scabbed some extensions on
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Hi Mike,
My apologies if you mentioned this already and I missed it. Is there a chimney going through the porch on the left side? If it is, is it to be masonry?
Looks like a pretty serious stair for the basement, so I assume there will be living space down there? Which would then make me curious why the Bilco for the basement?
Didn't know if you could answer this guy's SunTunnel question:
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=72006.9jt8
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no ...no living space down there.. just a workshop
as to the suntunnel..
i have no clue as to what works and what doesn't work in his harsh climate
the Suntunnel is a pretty rugged unit, painted steel and double acrylic dome..
but i'd let the mfr. say wether it could pass those conditionsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
For the record Mike, I think the stairs look great, but I don't agree with putting a slippery side up on them. I just couldn't imagine testifying in court on a slip and fall case and explaining to the judge why I preferred the waxy (slippery) side up.
You better go flip them tomorrow....now that I've jinxed you.
blue
well... the OTHER side is the permanent side.. the slippery side is going to take all of the construction abuse... after the plasterers, then i'll flip them..
'sides.. this slippery concept is relative, they ain't really slippery.. just compared to the other side which has an embossed texture
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Okay, I feel better Mike. I'll be able to sleep now.
blue
rainy day.. off & on..... Mike is out sick...and Roy is out taking care of his Mom
so , just me and the new proud Papa
we spent the day cleaning up and Chuck putting in the last of the partitions...
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we also got the dumpster delivered, now that Randy is thru digging up the front, maybe Monday we'll bring the trailer over
i spent a couple hours walking thru the electric plan with the Owner so we'll be ready for the electricians on Monday
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here's what it looks like with a 20 CY dumpster on site
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Hey. What's that big grey box between the house and the dumpster?Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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Ohhhhh! That's gonna leave a mark!
Wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom!
the electricians arrived in force today
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we spent the day putting up the last of the partitions and installing the boxes in the mooney wall
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we nail the boxes to blocking and then screw the blocking to the studs
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Mike, keep the mooney pics coming. Especially where it meets window/door/corner/ceiling...
Your boxes look a little labor intensive. Whereas the run-of-the-mill builder hammers two nails in and moves on, you're hammering the two nails, then cutting the blocking they're attached to, then screwing it to the studs. That sounds more like something I would do (and wind up taking 4 times as long to mount a box as a pro does).
I'm not being critical, I'm just wondering if you and Tim need to knock your heads together and come up with a quicker (but just as solid) way of mounting the electric boxes. I'm afraid at this time of night, I can't come up with anything better. First thought was an adjustable box if the mounting bracket was on the top or bottom (instead of the side), but I'm neither aware if such a critter exists, nor if it would result in a solidly mounted box.
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The quickest installation would probably be to mount the boxes horizontally directly to the blocking, but some folks might not like that look on the walls.jt8
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i'll give you some more pics todayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,What is all that fine sawdust on the furring and boxes? It seems to fine to be from drilling the holes in the studs, have you been routing or using the table saw in that area?Also, do you electricians still drill the studs or do they run in the recess created by the strapping?
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jon... that is the back of the chop saw..
and , yes, the electricians run their wires in the 1 1/2" space formed by the mooney wall, so they do no drilling in the exterior wallsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a mooney wall, some sort of Korean evangelical religious structure perhaps? BruceT
mooney wall is energy design- by- committee:
we were comparing our favorite energy walls and i said mine was 2x4 @ 16" oc with 3.5 " of Dens-pak cellulose
plus 1" of EPS foam inside ( R 5 ) plus 1x3 strapping applied 16" oc horizontal
Tim MOONEY.. suggested i eliminate the foam and change the strapping to 2x2
so i did... hence the MOONEY wall.. a true R-18Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks for the explanation.Where I live near Newport Beach, CA, we don't worry much about R-18 walls, but having spent 13 "glorious" fall/winter weeks all-expenses-paid in Newport RI, I can understand why you are concerned with keeping the heat in when the wind blows cold off of Narragansett Bay.BruceT
bruce... 13 weeks ?
sounds like NAVY schoolMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
BUMP
This whole thread should be made into a "sticky" (always first, at top of the list).
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
went back to adjust some doors..
and run the last of the crown.... the owner is going to fabricate a copper hood that will lay over this cherry backing... btw: notice the broken glass top ?.... we dropped a 3" piece of crown .........
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and down in the basement..... wow ! it's 20 deg outside and the wind is blowing about 20 knots
inside the basement...
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it's 72 deg.... and the only heat is the loss from the water supply pipes, and the oil burner in the corner
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BTW... the word on the adverse neighbor... he don't live there anymore... his wife apparently threw him out
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Glass top broke from a 3" chunk of crown dropped on it? That don't seem right.
Project looks great, and I've learned a lot from it. I'm really impressed with the insulation performance, too- 70º in the basement?zak
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin
"so it goes"
the word on the adverse neighbor... he don't live there anymore... his wife apparently threw him out
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. ;)
we dropped a 3" piece of crown
When you say 'we' is that 'we just bought a cooktop' or 'that is a darn shame that cracked'?
jt8
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we just bought a cooktop... $240 installed, top & glass a one- pieceMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Just how the heck are you just now getting around to responding to that post?
I thought I let things slide!!
BTW, I'm getting stoked for JLC. I looked on the site and it's scheduled for the end of March but no particulars yet.[email protected]
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i was looking thru the thread for some information i had posted and just found that
JLC..... one of the sure signs of spring.. you bet i'm looking forward to it alsoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm looking forward to Angela's![email protected]
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"mooney wall is energy design- by- committee:we were comparing our favorite energy walls and i said mine was 2x4 @ 16" oc with 3.5 " of Dens-pak celluloseplus 1" of EPS foam inside ( R 5 ) plus 1x3 strapping applied 16" oc horizontal"I've done several walls in similar fashion to your former system, except I use the Owens Corning 1-1/2" INULPINK (designed for basement finishing). It provides R-7.5, with R-13 in the 2x4, you get R-20.5 walls with built-in vapor barrier and the foam board has the 1x3 channels already formed in the EPS so the strapping is flush.I make my own 1x3's from plywood.BTW I've been lurking on this thread, since the beginning...fantastic!Same pic uploaded twice.
Mike,
I've truely enjoyed this thread, thank you for your efforts and patience in posting. I'm curious as to what is the disposition of the court case. Any settlement or rulings?
Thanks
Don
no.. the judge said he would issue his findings about two months ago.. nothing so farMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
mud season's coming.
you're gonna need more straw.
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Does that 20yarder have a gate on the other end? That just makes it SO much easier to load stuff. The current project was the first dumpster I've had that had gates. Prior to that I was rigging ramps and such to make it easier to load the dumpster. But those gates... pop open that door and it is only a single step up (until its almost full).
I don't think I can go back to the gateless ones.
jt8
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'deed it do.. we always open the gate until the crap starts falling out.. then we move our portable stairs in so we can dump over the railMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
electricians were back again today..
and Roy & Mike installed the last three doors
the 16-lite to the screened porch
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some more partitions.. the half wall at the bottom of the basement stairs
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the back -to-back pantry separating the Living Room from the kitchen
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and some mooney details.. in the bay window area.... the corner..
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and the 3/4 ceiling..
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we'll blow that whole roof area solid with cells
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Can you dense pack that area in the bay headers that are only 1.5" thick or what are you going to do there?
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That is the area, but I am not talking about the ceiling of the bay.But the area just above the windows. IE the header area. The headers are padded out with the 1 1/2" Monney strapping. So when you DW you will have a 1 1/2" space between the DW and header. What is that filled with, if anything.
those headers are plywood box headers... and we'll drill them and blow them,
some of the headers are 2x12 framing...
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Mike this thread is great. Maybe I've missed the shots but do you have any pics of the Mooney wall details around inswing exterior doors? That's the killer for using it in a retrofit.I'd be interested in seeing the same once the drywall and trim are up, too.Nice work on the house and the thread.
bob... after the subs are done with the rough and we get our inspection, we'll start on the mooney details... i'll show you lots of pics thenMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
after lunch, Chuck & I started framing the roof of the screened porch... we got the common rafter part ..
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the 16-lite to the screened porch...
iz dat countin' what shines in at der bottom?
"there's enough for everyone"
15, 16 ?
who'da noticed ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
John t8 was asking if this dumpster has a gate.. 'deed it do
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Roy was framing the deck..
the joists have to fit under the bay window
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we used some of those new Simpson concrete bolts for the ledger, these are 1/2" x 5"
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we picked up where we left off yesterday
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got the roof framed .. and started with the hurricane ties
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here's the ridge with the Simpson CS16 strapping
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and the subfascia..
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we also have a lot of other ties.. post- to -beam, H2.5's, Hip ties to plate
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I gotta remember to buy stock in Simpson one of these days
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It does seem excessive sometimes, but I have to say, I think all the connectors we use today make for a far stronger building than all the toe nails we used to use.
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Mike,
After three days of spending most of my spare moments pouring over this thread from page one all that I can say is I'm very impressed. Not that I'd expect anything less from you and your crew. Sorry I couldn't catch you at JLC this year... had to work. Anyways hands-down great work, this thread makes me itch to get back into this full time...
Nick
You'll get no argument from me on that
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"I gotta remember to buy stock in Simpson one of these days"
I told Cath that a coupla months ago ... said to ask the guy we go thru what they look like ... never got any feed back ... gotta make a second request thru the proper channels!
They pretty much have a corner on the market ... they're not going away ... and I'm thinking they got a pretty big dollar lobbiest somewhere in DC with every new code requiring more and more metal ...
That market ain't gonna shrink!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
what they look like ... never got any feed back
http://www.simpsonmfg.com/docs/AnnualReport2005.pdf
Check out the first chart. I tried to copy & paste, but it wouldn't transfer the numbers correctly. If you have any poo, fling it now.
uh, dustin.. i think he's talking about investing in Simpson..
he could actually care less about what Simpson connectors look like..
his wife works for an investment firm
or.. i could really have no idea whatsoever about what Jeff is talking about
ask him this ..." how much money ya got "
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uh, MIkeWhat part of AnnualReport don't you understand.
big f'g deal...... i go to the link & all see is a pic with simpson connectors on it.
am i supposed to read the fine print that says it's REALLY an Annual Report ?
i don't think so...
i'm as entitled as the next guy to speak first and ask questions later
hell, bill ... our deserter-in-chief does it all the time
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i think he's talking about investing in Simpson..
Simpson strong tie is owned by Simpson manufacturing.
i could really have no idea whatsoever about what Jeff is talking about
Same goes for me. I'll go back to my corner now.If you have any poo, fling it now.
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Mike,
Are the hurricane ties code now in the northeast or are you just adding them as a good thing to do?
"Would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?" bumper sticker
it depends on the wind zone you're in...
we're in zone 2 : 110 mph..
3 miles south of us in Narragansett, it's Zone 3 : 120 mph.. those guys have major requirements...
2 miles north of us it's zone 1 : 100 mph.... they don't have much at all
i'd bet you're in 2 or 3Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike ...
with the new framing ... that design is really coming together.
Looks real nice ... nice balance.
U do nice work kid!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
garsh, jeff..... aw shucks
anyways.. today i got the painter started on that insurance job
and the guys were at another job doing some demo.. opening up a wall so we can put a beam and some decorative columns in
late morning we got back to Adverse .. raining.. so we did some long overdue cleanup
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then i went to buy masonry supplies to start the chimney..
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while the guys finished the roof frame & started the sheathing
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>> here's the ridge with the Simpson CS16 strapping <<
Are those required, or is just something you like to add? Do you think collar ties would serve pretty much the same purpose? I do like using the H2.5s though.
Also, I'm a little surprized to see you using solid timber beams. We use built-up beams unless it is maybe some special design where the beams will show. I knew they used solid stuff out west but... Do you use built up headers above windows/doors/etc? Probably discussed earlier in the thread, but I can't remember.
matt .. if i used collar ties on this roof i wouldn't have to strap over the ridge, but
in this case, the ceiling joists did not qualify as collar ties so we were required to strap
the water meter NORMALLY goes in the basement.. if there is no basement, or if it's a summer house, or if the run from the main is too long , then they require a meter pit in the yard
as to the beams, it's an aproximation of some of the shear panels that engineers have designed for other jobs.. we have easy access to PT beams because of dock building in our area.. these look good and cost about $100 each ( 4x12 / 16' )
and they helped us give an esthetically nice solution to the tie-down from foundation to ridge we were required to haveMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
How deep is a "meter pit"? Is it insulated in some way?
4' ... no insulationMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy was in Narragansett today at that insurance job.. after I got him set up i went back to my chimney
Chuck & Mike finished the half wall in the basement
then moved on to window trim... our typical Trex sill, 5/4 x 4 side casing & 5/4 x6 head casing, the head casing has a 15 deg. flare
and Roy's cornice return from yesterday
... anyways.. great pics , huh ?
guess what ... i been prosperod...... pics won't load
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Roy was in Narragansett today at that insurance job.. after I got him set up i went back to my chimney
Chuck & Mike finished the half wall in the basement
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then moved on to window trim... our typical Trex sill, 5/4 x 4 side casing & 5/4 x6 head casing, the head casing has a 15 deg. flare
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and Roy's cornice return from yesterday
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and extended the footing for the stairs to support the masonry
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bear with me.... it's been about 30 years since i seriously did any brickwork.. but my regular mason just had his foot amputated, so this is a good excuse to do my own
anyways.. here's the base for the 2-flue chimney
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here's my old jointer and a new barbell one i'm trying out, works fast if you have a nice uniform joint ( which i don't )
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got the rest of the interior basement work done today
set the thimble
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and got delivery of the 3000 bricks and the chimney blocks & flues
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closed up the basement and ready to go outside to start the chimney
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Tuesday, April 18th....
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Did you sign your name in that extended footing ?
The destination is not the point. The completion is not the point. Enjoy today. If you can't enjoy today, then what is the point ?
no, Chuck did... i'd a thought he'd put Charley J. in thereMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,did you watch the bridge go up (down)?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
no... i figured it would be a zoo.... so i watched it on the news at 11Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the guys started siding in the back at the basement bulkhead area..
here's our new Malco shear.. picked it up after seeing it at JLC-Live
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the guys swear it gives a better and faster cut than our old Makita fibercement saw
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this is all pre-finished Hardie 7 1/4" with a 6" exposure, we're using Maize hot-dipped 1 3/4" roofers and blind nailing.... we also use SS 8d ring shank siding nails for any face nailing
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here's a corner detail wher the siding ends against the concrete
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i kept on keeping on with my blocks and flues..
i had to angle the flues to get them into their final location
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and tomorrow i should be able to lay blocks and flues without cutting
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Is putting siding on before the roof shingles normal in your region? Around here the roof gets shingled first then the siding goes on. Falling shingles do quite a number on siding, windows, and doors.
most times the roof goes on before the siding.. but that is usually because you want to get the house dried -in.. we're dried in..
there are a lot of areas we'd have to walk on the shingles and paint above the shingles.. so i chose to do the siding first
it's really a chicken & egg case in this one
also i want to finish the chimney before the roofing.. and that looks like it could take a while, don't it ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I seen that you guys were dried in and it makes sense to me now about painting above the shingles as well as the chimney.
The chimney would take me a long while too if each morning started with an omelet, probably wouldn't roll out of my truck until 10:00 am each morning. :)
Keep up the good work Mike. I'm hooked on your project.
Mr. Mike, I finally got some down time to catch up with all your work so far.
Thanks so much, I learned a lot about how I am gonna attack my FC siding project here. I spent our short week this week rebuilding cornice and boxgutters, it is nice to get some carpentry time in, sorta like you doing the masonry for a change.
Great work ,pat on the back to the boys also.
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You gotta be kidding me ..Jorge is @ what %? Now?
duane.. i remember now why i never wanted to be a mason..
anyhow .. got this much done today starting at the deck
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Yup. Buy hey,its easy till ya get way up above the roof line..LOL
I have a hoist wheel if ya want it. 12'' Diameter.takes a 3/4 rope.
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Hey Mike, could you post a photo of the jaws of that fiber cement shear you just bought? That's cordless, nice. I really like my electric shears, but cordless would be that much better if it was balanced nicely. You got any hole saws for fiber cement yet?
Just bought one of those Makita circular saws with the shroud. Been using it for cutting MDF. Great for dust control. Gotta believe the fiber cement dust would eventually reak havoc on bearings, armatures and such, but it will be my indoor jobsite saw for the foreseeable future.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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jim, the nice thing about this Malco one is that it's a kit.. mounts on ANY drill, cordless or corded
i'll get a better pic for youMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, I got one of the Malco sheet metal shears after seeing it at JLCLive.
Same gizmo but cuts metal instead. Sure better than wearing out that tendon across the top of my arm with snips.
I have a PC FC shear, it isn't cordless but it's a nice tool.
Joe H
here's a detail over the window head casing ( 5/4 x 6 Miratec ) with the black alum coil stock window cap, the PT starter strip and an aluminum spline we put behind our butt joints
we keep an 8d space against all surfaces so we can caulk our joints for painting
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here's the mess around the meter area...
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Rings on the fingers?!!!
No safety glasses when using air nailers?!!!!
Mike, heads would roll. You better get out of that chimney and have a safety meeting!
blue
can't ... it ain't raining.. we only have safety meetings when it rains
however, i will bring it up at the next meeting.. would you like to try one of the Chourico omelets at Tommy's Diner ?
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Mike, those omelets sound great, but bad for the ticker.
Just for the record: the second crew looks a lot more productive than that scary bunch in the restuarant!
blue
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Is that PT Starter strip hard on the flashing, Mike?
I've always lifted mine about an 1/8th to allow the water an easier path out.
I also notice you don't fur the siding out from the felt. Wonder why?
Always a joy to see the craftsmanship on your projects.
Troy Sprout
Square, Level & Plumb Renovations
could be ... we insulated it with the felt to give it a chance..
i really don't like this new ACQMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, First, thanks for starting and maintaining this thread. It is very imformative/educational.I have a question that I didn't see any detail on: How were the openings flashed after the felt went on? I saw the details on the Ice & Water shield before the windows went in, and the flashing after the windows, but did you flash over the felt so that water could NOT get behind the felt?Eric
eric, the way we do it : Grace pan flash, grace sides , grace top
set the window ( nailing flanges ): grace sides, grace top
then when we trim , we shim the trim with Grannular Ice & water, we use a window cap at the top, and we bring our felt over the window capMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, on the sides and bottom, does the felt go under the second layer of Grace, or under the Granular I&W?Thanks,Eric
the felt goes under the grace at the bottom ( we leave the bottom part of the release paper on until we side )
and the felt goes over the grace every place elseMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
today was SPECIAL..
Charley J. and his mom, Marie,arrived for a picnic lunch ..
Charley even has a "onesy" with one of our logo patches on it.. beat that Dieselpig !
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here's the happy family.. and
proud Papa..
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and me , interviewing our future employee... he said he'd rather have his binky than share my Snickers
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LOL.... keep it up and I'm gonna end up back at the tattoo parlor!
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Hey Mike, Your an old dude. I didn't know that was you. Old fart. I had you pegged for 37. Great thread! It makes my day.
Thanx, Lmc
p.s. whats next
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lou....... 37 huh ?..boy , wouldn't that be something
....... the BI was here on Friday... talked about fluke with Roy ( they go fishing )
and golf with me...
then we got down to clay thimbles and 2" spaces and shear walls and dryer vents , etc..
he still likes what he's seeing.. so next call will be when we're roughed and ready for insulation
i'll get the front stairs done so the guys can do the siding , then go back to the chimneyMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Sox 7... Yankees 3.. welcome home Johnny !
the guys were working vinyl soffits and Roy was finishing the cornice returns
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it was blowing a cold gale from the NE all day.. but i was working the west side, nice and sunny
still laying brick on the front stoop..
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supposed to be a rain day tomorrow so we'll go work on that half wall / Tusca column job
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And raining it is... Still looking good Mike. I'm jealous, keep it up.
I do have a question though. I really like the sill detail you made up using Trex. Do you guys usually apply any sort of finish to it or leave it as is? I think that's about the best solution to sill that I've seen in a long time. Cheaper than wood, rot resistant, and probably a bit easier to work with than PVC... I like it.
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Cheaper than wood? I can agree with everything except that.
Good point. I was thinking on the lines of traditional sill stock, which obviously is completely unnecessary for that particular application. So yes, we'll say my usual choice for exterior trim - 5/4 eastern white pine - would definately be cheaper than the Trex. Still, I like the detail, sills can take a beating.
Nick
squash.. we always paint the Trex sill... and we'll be painting these too.. Trex loves paintMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
well , i got the guys going at both those other jobs , then got a call from Randy.. he wanted to finegrade the garage today .. or wait until next week..so i grabbed Chuck & Mike and we went back to Middletown
Aqueducto worked great .. especially in the last rainstorm, so we had the compaction we wanted.. randy figgered his small dozer would go thru the doors... so...
dump some gravel
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Those 450-C's are a handy machine to have.
That one must be from the 70's.
Great pics.
Live the Good Life in the Permian Basin.
would you believe it fell off a truck when it was new.. bent the frame, cracked the bell housing..
Randy bought it "as is"... spent about $7500 with parts and not including his laborMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Cat,
It looks an awful lot like my '81. They didn't change much back then.
Some of the best money I've ever spent!! Brudoggie
while Roy was on the column job, we followed the sun back to Middletown and formed up the garage apron.... 2' with a 3" pitch and a thickened edge
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we also poured the diamonds around the lally columns for stress relief
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Mike,When you say the footers for the steel column was placed for "stress relief" do you mean your stress or is there some magical element of forming @ 45° rather than 90° that I never learned about?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
As you know, putting isolation patches around lally collumns prevents cracking of the main slabs of concrete. When oriented at 45 degrees, you can have the tips line up with the stress-relief cracks that I presume Mike will either set or cut into the concrete. That in turn will allow the floor slabs to shrink happily and w/o cracks and look pretty too. Plus, when the diamond is aligned like that (i.e. with the intended slab cuts) you eliminate four re-entrant corners, which prevent cracking or the need for four pieces of #4 rebar to stop any cracks from propagating beyond it.
Damn!!!I wish I knew what youse guye were talking about (I'm a HO)Can't spackle/joint compound/duct tape fix any problem?? :)
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I'm a HO too, Recko, and I learn something every day. What little I know about concrete was gleaned from the Taunton Foundations book in the by Pros for Pros series, along with long talks with our structural engineer when we built a new foundation for our home. As you probably know, concrete shrinks a bit when it dries. It's also a anisotropic material, i.e. it's strength in tension is different than it's strength in compression. Concrete is very weak in tension, which is why people supplement it with chopped fiberglass or (better yet) metal rebar. The steel picks up the tension component while the concrete excels in compression. It's also why pre-stressed structures can be so light, yet support large loads.Avoiding cracks in concrete altogether is almost impossible for large slabs that have many corners, jogs, etc. To minimize cracks in visible locations, simply install control joints that allow many smaller slab sections to go their merry ways w/o affecting each other. We put our control joints under what we expected to internal walls - no one will see them there. Or, you can dress them up a bit and leave them visible.Putting rebar in re-entrant corners prevents cracks from propagating from the corner jutting into the slab. As you probably know, any kind of corner will have the tendency to amplify stresses a great deal. Thus, slabs have a tendency to crack first wherever a corner juts into them (creating a so-called re-entrant corner). By laying a 4' piece of rebar across that corner at a 45 degree angle, any crack will propagate until it hits the rebar and then the steel flexes its muscles and says "no further!"De-coupling lally collumns from the slab is another good practice... collumns exert a fair point load, may transduce vibrations from above, etc. in ways that may be detrimental to the slab below. Plus, if the slab or the lally column go different ways (due to differential loading), they do not have a tendency to pull one or the other, causing tension, and hence cracks. for example, you may find that the collumns will sink faster into the ground due to your heavy book collection above the garage than a tractor can "push" the slab one storey lower down.
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"Can't spackle/joint compound/duct tape fix any problem?? :)"
You left out Crazy Glue and drywall screws.
Norm!!! (like the call from Cheers)My fault.....man, what would I have done before drywall screws???Prolly live in a mud hut...
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Recko, whatever those big three cant fix...caulk can. Caulk can even be substituted for nails!
blue
Chuck & Mike finally got to do some siding...boy were they relieved
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i had to get a few things ironed out in Narragansett & the colum job.. so i didn't get started until 10
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but by 6 pm i had this done..
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i think we can set the bluestone landing & treads on Monday.. sure hope so anyways
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Do you fill the steps with sand before setting the bluestone?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I noticed that cavity in there is just about the right size for an abutthead or two...
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ChucK & Mike moved over to the east side of the garage while roy started the vinyl soffits on the rake
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and i finished the brickwork on the stoop... a little infill tomorrow and we can set the treads..
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we're also supposed to pour the garage slab tomorrow before the rain sets in for the rest of the week
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no...... this is 2" bluestone, and the max . span is going to be less than 32".. the main base is gravel .. and the tread base has drain holesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
It's the rare day which goes by without by checking in on the progress of Adverse Conditions. Fascinating and all the detail I could ever ask for. Thanks for all the work you're putting into this!
Picture 427 (Stoop AM) shows a pitch difference between the brick and it's foundation along the front edge. I would have presumed both the bricks & foundation/footing to be level and can't quite figure this one out. Can you shed any light on it? I presume the pitch req'd to shed water will come via a sloped mortat bed beneath the bluestone cap and treads. Right?
Keep up the good work,
kgregor4
we poured the base as a last minute thing with some of the left over conc.
the base isn't level.. so i used it to add drainage under the tread area
the landing area is all gravel, so no drainage issues there Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mikey,did you use a story pole for laying up the brick work?also, don't remember seeing any photos of the zone set up on the furnace (think it was installed)? Do you have any or posted them?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
hey captain
you are probably in the know but I did a few patios w/ the bluestone this past summer ( inc. one of my own ) and the Partner ( or Pioneer ) diamond wet saw handles that like a warm knife thru butterhand held chainsaw like numbercarry on - we'll be watchin
john... all of my bluestone is precut to size.... but thanks for the tip.. if i get into a lot of bluestone i'll go looking for that sawMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
today was garage slab day... and of course...it's raining.. so we tented the apron
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and we got a late delivery .... 11 am.. here's PRM with a front discharge... they can carry 13 cy... but the tires don't like it .. so they limit their loads to 12 CY
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Hathaway is pouring this.. the same company that poured the basement
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and placing the concrete...
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they have a gas powered jitterbug... really slick, about a 6' span
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a close-up of the jitterbug
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they would have had the whole thing poured before lunch , but i didn't order enough concrete... we were a yard short.. probably a half an inch on the grade.. dummy me didn't add the 10% i usually do
after lunch Chuck & Mike took out a section of flue, since the Owner wanted the thimble to be lower on the wall..
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we reframed part of it since the thimble is passing thru the double studs for our shear panel.. the BI allowed us to move the double stud closer to the corner
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one with the tent for the apron
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rain and drizzle most of the week...
we saw cut the new slab with a 5" grinder...
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and Chuck caulked the cuts with a polyurethane concrete caulk
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the apron has a 3" pitch in 2'
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Mike,
Another question about the lolly...
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Why is the footer for the lolly flush with the top of the slab? Could it be ~4" below and let the slab come tight to the lolly columns?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
jon... that's not a footer.. the footing is about 6" below the top of slab.. what you are looking at is a stress relief diamond we poured about a week ago... we poured it on grade so the cement finishers could screed right to the top
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Thanks Mike,I think I'm finally getting it.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Chuck & I left Roy at the column job and went back to finish setting the bluestone treads
just beat the rain....
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Mike,
I have followed this thread from the beginning and you do fantastic work. Now if I can just compile all of this into 1 folder...!
What's the advantage of caulking your saw cuts?
Wake me up before you go-go.
keeps the dirt outMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
DOH! I thought there would be some sort of scientific explanation. LOL
Cool I guess I can go with that.
Wake me up before you go-go.
LOL.... you wanted some big long explanation about thermal expansion, modules of elasticity, soil engineering, plate techtonics, and global warming.
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Neat steps. What is the price of treads like that? DanT
i'll look 'em up....Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Your exactly right! I was really gonna be a genius next time we slotted concrete at work. Now I have a handy hint for keeping the dirt out. LOL
Wake me up before you go-go.
gunner... i think the polyurethane caulk also helps in this respect.. the saw cut encourages the slab to crack along the sawed line
the slab opens and closes with the temperature.. in the open state, small grains of material will get into the crack , so it can't return to it's neutral position.. in fact.. it keeps getting bigger as more material acts like a wedge , so it creates additional stress
the caulk allows it to change size without being a permanent change
but, of course... i could be wrongMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
The caulk remains pliable allowing the expansion joint to do it's job? And prevents introducing foreign articles that hinder the proper expansion and contraction as well? I'm sold on the idea.
That's why I'm really paying attention to this thread, all the little things that cause big problems down the road are being addressed. Thanks Mike.
Wake me up before you go-go.
Rats. He had to go and spoil it with a logical explanation. Damm that Mike Smith.View Image
Coffee must have him more talkative.
Wake me up before you go-go.
How deep are those relief cuts, Mike? They don't go all the way through the slab, do they?Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
http://www.asmallwoodworkingcompany.com
about 1" to 1.5".. what ever i could get with a 5" diamond bladeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the rain finally stopped about 2 pm.. so i went over to fit the thimble so it would be set up for tomorrow...
the flues require refractory mortar which has clay in it. so it doesn't set up very fast
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the stoop is still covered from the other day
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Mike,
You guys must be ahead on saftey meetings for the rest of the year given all that wet you've been getting. Fantastic thread, thanks for taking the time to show me how a pro works.
bum...two wrongs don't make a right, but... three lefts do... :)
old... rains gotta stop... i'm getting fat at these safety meetingsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Great thread, mike,With all the rain yous guys been gettin,How's the temporary roof holding up, any leaks?
just the gable end over the breezeway..... and the bottom of the Bilco.. fix those next weekMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike,Are these "safety meetings" open to HO's?? :)
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
they're open to you.. c'mon down
hey.. you going to make tipifest ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,I doubt it....we've got some things going on with the Cape property that I'll need to tend to. Sorry!!
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
lost my striker.. Mike quit last Saturday to take a union job installing ceilings
anyways... got the blocks and flues up to the ceiling line in the screened porch
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Roy & Chuck finished the Hardi on the garage gable end.. so they started painting..
i want the staging for the rest of the job.. so .. side up .. paint down...got the rake trim first coat and some of the casing trim
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another shot of the front stoop
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here's a shot.. the leaves are comming out on the trees.. sorta obscures the left side
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dan.. you and Deisel would appreciate this.. got some labels made by my sign guy.. decided they had to be just big enough to use on the side of our Alum-a-pole pics
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30 vinyl labels for $90...
Brian.. your comment about the label on our trash cans is what made me decide to get these
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I'm guessing Roy didn't dare stand still at all, all day long for fear you'd slap a lable on him too...=0)
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A) Property looks a lot different with no snow, a beautiful home, and now the leaves on the trees. Very nice work!
B) The labels are a great idea. It make your name brand equipment, yes even the rubbermaid garbage pail, look like it was designed especially for you...kinda makes the business look bigger than life.
tony b.
Now that is a neat idea. Not only adds some idenity to the equipment but advertises too! I like it! I am going to see my sign babe (not really but she is female) next week about the sign for the new building and I will ask about those.
The house looks great. Sorry you lost a guy. Sounds like he was trying to move up so you can't fault him for that. You just hate to lose good ones though. DanT
Mike, Those logo stickers are great! I have some labeling on my scaffold pics,and such,but now I'm inspired to do more. Don't you love being the one man mason? I don't usually do that type of work. On the last house, my usual mason, was tied up, so I put on his hat. I had forgotten how much fun that was :) Problem is, lots of folks saw that job, and now the phone is ringing for masonry jobs. Guess I'll take the fun ones ( stone work) and pass on the others. Great job!!Brudoggie
bru... i forgot how heavy those chimney blocks are.. but i do sleep wellMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy & Chuck are finishing the column/ half-wall job
i wanted to get the notch cut out of the rake so i can get my alignment for tomorrow's blockwork
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we rigged the gin wheel so we can haul matls up the staging
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i laid some chimney blocks & flues in the morning
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and some brick in the afternoon
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Randy delivered his excavator so he'd be ready to start moving loam tomorrow
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and Roy & Chuck finished the first coat of trim and the final coat of body... tomorrow they'll cut in the trim and move the staging
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Mike, I see you use Grace under your corner boards. If you used housewrap (yeah I know you don't use it) but if you did - would you still wrap those corners with the Grace?
i don't know... i used housewrap ( Tyvek ) once.. decided i didn't like it and went back to felt
when i started we used to use a double fold of 15# felt on all corners and windows, and single felt everywhere else
i'd be tempted to use just a folded corner of the 30# felt under our corner boards, but i guess we're spending about $50 by wrapping all of these corners and another $100 around all our windows, in other words besides the roof, we are probably using two rolls of Grace in critical siding areas.... so maybe $200 for Grace
doesn't seem unreasonable given the total cost of the siding..short answer. if i was using housewrap, i think i'd still use grace on my cornersMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, Quick, slap a sticker on that excavator.
It'll come in handy on your next job.
Joe H
Mike, I am looking at your pics of that roof all covered in RTGII, and just today my pard gave me his copy of the latest JLC with the article on the synthetics.
And in it, I picked up on the issues of wicking, vapor perm, sealants and adhesives, weeps, edge detailing, detailing where meeting dissimilar material, etc.
It was all to much to digest, and we always do finished roofing within a short time of doing the dry-in anyhow, so the synthetics aren't worth it to us.
But one thing stuck out in my memory, and it was because the job we are doing, and the next one after, both will have "hot" roofs, 100 percent insulated with PU spray foam. The writer cautioned against use of the synthetics atop unventilated roofs.
What is your take on that?
I know that this current project of yours is vented, but are there any unvented areas?
What has been your experience with any areas of unvented roofing done with film underlayment?
gene... i have no idea..
i like the synthetics because we're dried in. wether it's a remodel .. or new..
i'd have to read the article to know what the issue is ....or might be Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
We have an unvented roof now and from what I could tell, it was unvented when the house was built 130 years ago. Venting became popular in the 1940's I guess, when the government sponsored some research into how to extend the life of roofs and help prevent ice damming. Hence the rise of "cold roofs".Fifty years later, Building Science Corp did some testing in Las Vegas and showed that vented roof decks are only 17 dgrees cooler than unvented, insulated ones. Furthermore, the temperatures the roof decks reached were still in the safe range (i.e. the range they were rated for by the manufacturer). Meanwhile, the unvented, insulated roof homes had lower AC/heating bills, more usable space, etc. The one negative as far as unvented roofs go is that the roofing materials will be slightly hotter, reducing their usable life by up to 10% (depends on the material and the climate). Countering that is pretty easy, simply use better materials. We used Duraslate and two seasons in I have yet to see a piece of "slate" that has cupped, warped, or otherwise deformed.
Another issue I have with the 'hot roof' is that it would take retrofitting to make it insulated well enough. You can foam those 6" rafters with icynene, but you're still not going to have near the R value as a vented attic with 2 feet of cellulose.
Which means you then have to build out the 2x6 rafters, or use foam board, or some other modification to get anywhere near the R value you want.
It can quickly become impractical to do so.jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
While in theory that sort of makes sense, if you are spraying foam, you could, theoretically, just foam all the bays and continue to build it up under the rafters. This would obviously make future renovations a pain, but it would probably be the best in terms of insulation - no more thermal bridging.But I probably wouldn't do it.
I'm not sure I follow your argument. It's simple enough to sheathe the exterior thick enough to make short-circuiting via the rafter beams a non-issue. We couldn't do it, the Mansard curves, XPS doesn't. Plus, we couldn't make our house taller than it is...So we foamed from the inside, to the tune of 6-8 inches under the roof, with Corbond. Yes, there will be some thermal short-circuiting, but I remain skeptical that a cold roof system which is not sealed from the interior will perform better with 2' of cellulose on the horizontal plane... which can allow hot air to pass from below unlike a hermetically sealed roof that is virtually air tight and which is typically easier to access than the area under the attic floor.Particularly in cold weather, infiltration is a big issue. Sealing all wall, ceiling, etc. penetrations is usually more difficult than coating the roof deck with foam from below or shaething it with rigid foam on the outside.
meanwhile... back at the scene of the grime..
i got about as high as i could with the tower so we had to jump the staging onto the roof...
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the tower is braced to the roof with swivel plates & lags
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kinda look like tinker-toys down there
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then i got some more chimney block & flue laid to the upper rake
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and went back to the screened porch and started laying brick
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the brickwork chimney face is 24" x 48"
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we brought our dumpster stairs over since we can't open the door anymore...
we've had these stairs since 2001.. rescued them from that job that Cadioli was working on with us when 9/11 occurred
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and Roy & Chuck finished painting the garage gable end..
here's a sequence of a window .. with trim & Grace membrane & Trex sill
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& 30 lb. felt underlayment
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& Hardie & caulked & painted
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and the finished window... trim primed & 2 coats finish.. Hardie is factory finish , all caulk has two coats... and field applied finish coat ( 2d coat ) on Hardie
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a few other details..
electric duplex outlet block...
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and light fixture block .. still to be drilled with a hole saw for a 3 1/2" pancake box
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the blocks are made of two layers of 3/4 Miratech so they will stand proud of the Hardie and also create a rabbet on the bottom to receive the Hardie
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we had so much success with the Malco shear that i bought another one , so the guys wouldn't have to wait on each other
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here's a close-up of the cut we get with these shears and the new set-up on one of our Metabo battery drills
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and a pic. of the Alcoa Pro-bead soffit we use ( both solid & vented )
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we also got delivery of the garage stairs from Horner.. i think these were $600, ready to go
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Happy Memorial Day !.. we do have a lot to be happy about thanks to those who gave so much
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Dam!....Dam!...Dam!Looks amazingOne question, do you have something in that caulk joint,likesand or dirt?I can't repost the pix?Edited 5/28/2006 3:38 pm ET by butch, HOw about this http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/at.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&guid=5472EF44-6F1D-4FED-AD58-E7B448CF224F&frames=no
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butch... you mean this one ?
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i'm guessing it's a combination of Hardie bits, a funny wipe on the caulk, and the joint between the top 3/4 layer of Miratech & the bottom..
best idea i can come up with is don't take real close -up pics.. shows too many sins that never get noticed... whadda ya think ?... bad paint job .. or good pics ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
shows too many sins that never get noticedAin't nuthin perfect, but this house is dam near it.also your brick werk is perfect, not bad for a yankee :-)<or good pics ?> yepEdited to add , I want to thank you for persevering with thisthread. Keep em comin!!!!!
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are you using polyurethane caulk like NP-1 or Dymonic...i'm guessing it's not Dap latex paintable $1 a tube.....probably $5 or $6 a tube stuff....
i can't believe how nice that sill looks when it is painted...you'll be getting a tip for that paint job even if it is a $400,000 price tag for the whole house. There is no way these people you are working for knew what quality they would be getting. I will stop wasting your time now so you can continue to make the world a better place.
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know" Ralph Waldo Emerson
huddled... here's our caulk...
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Beautiful work Mike!! and your crew deserves just as much recognition too!!
2 questions...just trying to learn something.
1) Any reason the fascia trim for the cornice return is stepped back from the gable trim in this pic...and not flush, or is just for aesthetics?
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2) Instead of caulking the Trex sill to window gap, why not rabbit(?) the Trex for a tighter fit and no caulk? I thought it was a no-no to seal/caulk up the bottom. I imagine your answer will include something along the lines of keeping water from getting behind the siding. and I understand any water that gets behind the siding above the window will just run down the tarpaper. Can't that same logic apply to not sealing up the sill gap?
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cave.. along time ago i used to set the ear boards flush with the rake boards... the joint between them is, for the most part , a horizontal joint... it never made sense to me.. it looked like it shopuld be a lap-joint that would shed water
so i started doing it this way and continue..
i could show you thousands of examples of ear boards done in the conventional manner that show a bad joint, peeling paint and lack of relief.. anyways , this was my solution
as to the trex being rabbeted for a flusher fit.. a couple things:
this would diminish the thickness, which is already minimal for space to drive 3 " screws thru to fasten the sill
it would still leave a horizontal joint that would have to be caulked
as to caulking...
to me , the purpose of caulking is not to prevent water from getting in.. that is secondary. the purpose of caulk is to create a "paintable surface"
a long time ago.. a very good painter told me that you can't paint an unpaintable surface
any crack is an " unpaintable surface" no matter how much paint you try to force into it, it will always move, open, and crack
the way to stop this is to leave a gap that you can caulk, with a flexible caulk that won't pull away.. then you paint the caulk, cut a neat line.. and wipe any surfaces that are not supposed to get painted
if you don't want to caulk , then you have to use a glue joint, which in effect , makes two surfaces into one.. again, eliminating an "unpaintable surface"
on interior work, this means caulking all junctions of trim & wallMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"i could show you thousands of examples of ear boards done in the conventional manner that show a bad joint, peeling paint and lack of relief.. anyways , this was my solution"Yes I have that on my house is it is UGLY!
Mike
Enjoying your series as much as the Series 24 on TV. Can't wait for the next show.
I would be interested in how you flash your chimneys to the flues and how to solder it correctly. I've always wanted to learn, but not many do it here. The ones that do won't teach you.
The general consensus of the local masons is have someone else flash it and they take the blame when it leaks. Or The mason flashes it and you pay him to come back and spray it with silicone every three years for ever.
Greg in Connecticut
greg... this is a brick chimney so i won't be thru-flashing it to the flues...
i only use thru-flashing on stone chimneys
i always use let-in lead flashing, but this chimney i am considering copper flashing.. we'll see
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i always use let-in lead flashing, but this chimney i am considering copper flashing..
why? - lead sure does work and lay nicely -
"there's enough for everyone"
ok... so i'll stop considering copper and return to my roots.. lead flashingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
'ear boards'...I'll remember that too, it fits.
Great explanation!!!
Thanks
cave .. here's another example.. this one is on our house.. built in '85 .. this is all rgh . sawn red cedar trim & Atlantic white cedar clapboards
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I see the ear boards are pitched with a drip cap(?). Pretty slick idea to help shed the water. Your attention to detail is what catches my eye. I see it in all your pictures. So when ya want to build a new house for me<G> Just kidding...sorta<G>... even though your only an hr or so away, I'd need a mortgage just to cover the fuel expenses for the commute.
What about the horizontal seam where it meets the top of the cornerboard. Doesn't that create any problems? What's the house and trim covered with...stain? I'll bet stain, which would explain part of why it stiil looks as good as it does. Even after 20 yrs
Thanks for posting those. Always great to see and learn the purpose of different styles.
Hi Mike
I was hoping you'd get to my post the other day... http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=67972.1229 , ... in this thread. Thanks.
Phil
short day... bookeeper in the am & golf in the pm.. here's the brick
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Looks like you are using oversized brick on this project?
not being a mason.. whadda i know..
the head joints are a little tight.. but on most courses it falls out to the 24 x 48 module... does that mean they're oversized ?
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Modular brick course out at 3 courses per 8" block. So the height of 1 modular brick (including the mortar joint) is 8" / 3 = 2.66".
Oversized brick, course out at 5 courses per 2 courses of 8" block. So the height of 1 oversized brick (including the mortar joint) is 16" / 5 = 3.2".
Length and width of modular and oversized is the same: 7 5/8" x 3 5/8".
There are many other sizes of brick available especially for commercial construction, but around here in residential construction 95% of what is used is either oversized or modular. I'm sure conventions and terminology is somewhat regional, but that is they way we do it in VA, NC, SC.
matt... here's the label.. and you were right... modular sized
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here's my block progress.. if no rain this morning.. i think i can top out the flues
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and one for June 1st...
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That pic looks a bit fuzzy. You using a different camera?
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
dt's... i thought all masons drink... or was that painters ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
this site is being invaded... we had to take the silt fence down to get around the back.. it was only down for 2 days.. but the whole time we've had a steady influx of snapping turtles come to lay their eggs
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here's momma... she's pulled the mud around her and when she leaves the eggs will be outta site
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we spent the first two hours this am putting the silt fence back up. before the heavy rains
this green area with no brush on it used to be the tee box for a 3-hole golf course
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and this was the course.. Mr. Adverse's back yard
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managed to top out the flues & blocks before the rain hit us
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this one might be a little sharper.. if not, then i'll have to try a tripod shot next time
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What's happening with the court battles with Mr. Adverse?? Has there been any more excitement with blocking driveways etc?
Mike,
Tough pin placement.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
hey.... cadioli says hello...
he's working 70 hour weeks in northern oz... doing hurrican / insurance work up near the barrier reef..
asked him if he brought his clubs... he CLAIMS there are no golf courses in that area..
i think he just forgot his clubsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Yup, Mark has certainly thrown himself into that recon work. Hear from him so seldom now. Did he mention on when he'll work his way back home?
I would have replied last nite but took a fall out on the way to the grill.............sober............embarassing to say the least. Tripped on something the rain induced ferns covered. After the game, joyce dragged me to the ER. Several stiches later on a now stiff knee and my golf game is hampered (on hold). As is my business (can I make money bull #### ing?). Thank goodness I finished the base on a job yest. aftn.
Back to the elevated knee position. Sure gonna miss the links and the $'s.
#### me.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
oops...
sorry 'bout dat..
mark is making noises about a possible tipifest appearance.. we could probably encourage that
75 days and a wake-up to get you back on your feet and back on your gameMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I was thinking he might use the newfound wealth and the need for a break....................
cool.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
yesterday ( Monday ) Fagan Door arrived to install the 7'-6" x 9' doors
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Bill Fagan started in business the same year as me...1975.. he was an Okie who washed ashore with the SeaBees... they do some fine work with their overhead door business
and it really changes the appearance of the front
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Oww sorry to hear that Cal. The sober ones are usualy the worse ones. Ya seem to bounce better whe your drinking.
GIVE ME AN............. E!
yeah, there was no bounce I can tell you.
Gives new meaning to a house with no stairs...........A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Arrrrrgh doode, ya were'nt tryin' to walk the cedar plank, were ya? I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
walk the cedar plank...............a good one holly!
Joyce cut back the ferns so I have clear sailing now.
Sumbits'n knee is swelled up tight, stitching looks good.
Can't get in the van, kneel down, or climb a ladder. Guess I'm off.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
nothing like a little forced retirement<G>...but more importantly, can you get a ride to a Mudhens game? I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
Lets see, after 3 single and a dbl header last week, I'm caught up.
Would need a ride in a caddy with the seat way back.
If some overwgt, lazy sloth turned one in, maybe a handicap sticker for the preferred parking.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Sorry to hear about your knee, hope ya heel up quick
Thanks Dan, this bites for sure.
Good reference point for the business folder on "sick days" for the self employed.
0-work/0-income.
Or more appropriately, some serious no days off later to catch up.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Dang, Cal, sorry to hear about your mishap.
Here's hoping you heal fast.
"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
Thanks James.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Randy dumped some sand & gravel so he'd be ready to start the sewer work today
i used some of it to grade around the front steps
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Roy & Chuck were siding the front of the breezeway... and the soffit... and the fascia
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I finished the block top and set a batter board so i could run my corner strings plumb
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Randy started the sewer line today... at this end , he'll set a grinder pump & chamber.. then run a 2" pressure line 700 ft. up the street to a catch basin
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trench, pipe, 6" sand over & under... then back fill
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he has a 12" x 6 ft. backfill blade instead of a bucket in this pic
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Roy & Chuck continued with the breezeway.. here's a closeup of the kickflash off the roof
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and the long view
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I got a couple more feet of the veneer
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and a shot of our new toy.. a coil stand and slitter.. this slitter is a Van Mark.. about $350..
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i found a slitter in a snow bank about two years ago.. but it was a Tapco.. couldn't use it.. sold it to someone on BT .. so , that kinda paid for my new Van Mark
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Mike, Call me umday! But what the heck is tipifest?
-lou
geesh , lou.. tipifest is where all the Breaktimers are getting together this year, August 18, 19, & 20
this is the 6th get-together.. starting with PeteFest in Ohio in 2000...
here's the killer... you're invited!
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=69237.1
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very heavy rains.... natcherly we had a safety meeting.. Tommy's Diner was closed so we went to the Blue Plate Diner... great breakfast !
today was make & mend for me.. i put a new platform of 1/2" Advantech on one of our staging frames..
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and tried out a new Husky work platform ... adjusts from 24" to 50" ... 4' long, built in ladder / step.. supports 400 lb.... on sale at HD for $69....
here's a shot of one of those adustable planks.. this one adusts from 9' to 13'... just right for those small areas
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Roy was securing the plywood we installed loose around the perimeter.. we left it loose so the plumber & electrican could do thier rough-in
this will become the bottom of an insulation block all around the band
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the first bay & last bay are obvious.. the sections where it crosses the joists will get blocked with board foam & gun foam for glue
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Chuck was stapling up the insulmesh so we can glue it tomorrow & start blowing our walls
here's a detail around some of the electrical boxes
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and another where we put 2x4 blocking in for some of the kitchen cabinets
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these are 36" high with their tops at 90"
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Mike, if you nailed that wall down you wouldn't have to hold it up like that...
"Would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?" bumper sticker
when are you going to Holland.. wanna look up some of my cousins ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Next week... we leave on June 15th. Our belongings are now somewhere on the Atlantic.
I'd love to look up some of your cousins, especially if they are topless supermodels on the beach. Hmmm... I could start a topless supermodel beach thread in the gallery when I get there. Any takers?????
"Would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?" bumper sticker
Yes roger, please start that thread.
For medicinal purposes.
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Groovy! I'll put "Holland" in the title but will try to disguise the real subject so it sounds like construction. Maybe somethig like "Hollands best errections." Or for the topless pics, "Holland's greatest hits." Say the last one real fast and drag the last 't' from 'greatest' into 'hits'.... ;-)
I think we have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?" bumper sticker
Start it in the tavern and it's more likely to survive for longer. LOLJust call it something like "Pics of my prostrate surgery"...;o)
The destination is not the point. The completion is not the point. Enjoy today. If you can't enjoy today, then what is the point ?
You may want to rethink that.Mike's cousin look like him.
hey... you hooligans are trashin up this thread.....Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
another rainy day.. started at the column job , cleaning the left over salvage out of the garage.. then back to adverse
needed a 2" clearance around the thimble, so we put an aluminum sleeve around it and some mooney
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then the insulmesh
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the band joist blocking ... plywood bottom..
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but the bay gets an EPS foam dam... glued in place with some gun foam
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I may have missed this - but what is the purpose of that foam dam at the end of the joist bay? Are you trying to keep the denspack away from contact with the rim for some reason? Thanks for the great thread - I always look here first.
no.. the opposite.. we're building a box that we can blow dens-pak into
i'll take some pics.... but you already knew that Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I think I see .. heated basement - not insulating between the joists - only around the rim joist - yeah?
exactly.. rim joist in the basement and at the 2d floor line tooMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Nice talking to you.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Mike - I love this place.I've got a bunch of plywood surface walkboards that need new wood. I never thought of advantech - great idea - I'll buy ya a beer in Aug.
Does this hat make my butt look big?
http://grantlogan.net/
i'll hold you to it....... i had that frame kicking around for 6 months... finally got around to it when i needed ONE more walkboardMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy was gluing .... so i went to get a pic.. lo & behold.. he had his RhodeFest shirt on
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anyways.. we use these foam rollers & Elmer's white glue . the insulmesh has been stretched & stapled.. now it has to get glued or the dens-pak will get under it and cause bumps ..which will displease the blue-board hangers
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Chuck is still putting up insulmesh.. someone was asking where to get it... i buy it at an insulation supply company.. the first time .. i ordered it from Regal Industries in Indiana
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with mooney wall the outside corners are a problem.. the two pieces of mooney meet and form a good corner.. but there is a 14" gap until the next set
to hold the corner shape until the board is ready to hang, we screw a piece of furring into the corner..
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this will hold the dens-pak..
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we do the same thing anyplace we need some reinforcment.. like next to some of the outlets.. just tacking a shingle in place will hold the dens-pak
here's the detail around the thimble with the glue in place
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Thank you.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
meanwhile the mason was still out on the screened porch...
got up to the beam..
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and almost to the ceiling
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Any news on the neighbor and court?
none so far... the lawyer is going to ask the judge when he can get the verdict this weekMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike. Good luck on the Verdict. I may have missed stories of antics at the trial. Really enjoying seeing some of your very different construction methods.
big day... 6 roofers... 3 excavators... and us
here's the roofers.. and Roy & Chuck running the front fascia
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me.. i got the bricks thru the ceiling
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and on thru the first roof.. start flashing tomorrow
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I've enjoyed this thread from the beginning and look forward to each installment.That roofing crew would all get nailed here by WCB for not wearing any fall protection. This is the only thing I've seen that was unsafe on your work site that I could possibly take issue with. Your rules are probably different than the ones the trades have here.
the roofers ( actually Liam & a laborer ) started the main roof yesterday
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and finished it today
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Roy & Chuck were working the front of the breezeway..roofing , siding , fascia & cornice returns
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i started the flashing of the lower ( screened porch ) roof yesterday
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using 10" lead with a hem on the front ..
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around the back of the chimney is a potential leak.. so i put a cricket there to move the water out and around
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Mike,
This nmay bve obvious, but will your roofer also use lead for his base flashing?
Trivial question: Not familiar with that color level you're using and was curious of the brand?
lek
lek... the roofing sub is all done.. the rest of the roofing involves gable ends and siding so we'll be doing that roofing.. ie: we'll use whatever base flash you want
if you don't have a preference, i'll probably use black coil stock aluminum, or maybe some Ice & Water
the levels are Levolution.. ( German , I think ) pretty rugged, and i'm beating them up with this brick work.. i have a 16" ( hard to find ) and a 48"
i've got a couple Stabilas also: a 32" & a 58"Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
started out with rain... so we did a big cleanup ( it needed it )
and then Roy & Chuck installed the garage stairs, which land on a platform to accomodate the outside door
propped them in place..
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scribed the frame for the platform
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and shimmed them 5/8" off the wall to allow for any future gypsum board
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at coffee break we went over to the street to see how Randy was making out..
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probably 3/5 of the way for the 700 ft.... no more big stones and dumped material..
so the digging went well
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end of the day..just me and the snapping turtles...
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man, they are all OVER this place
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finished the lower roof flashing
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Randy laid some more pipe ,then spent the rest of the morning cleaning the road for the weekend... that grading shoe on his backhoe comes in handy for lots of things
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then in the afternoon he delivered the two catch basins.. one for the sewer.. and this one for the site runoff required by the Planning Board
all the gutters and the parking runoff have to go into this catchbasin... which then dumps into the pond .... ( ? )
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i got thru the upper roof and started the apron flash with the lead
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Bet that mortar bucket's gonna SUCK after the second ladder!
341 bales.... more trees in the insulation than the rest of the house!
Beautiful work! Beautiful Day! More Beautiful World 'cause you're there.
Thanks, Mike. Troy Sprout
"D@mn... forgot the screws."
we took delivery of the cellulose insulation at noon... 11 skids ( 341 bales ).. got it all in one bay of the garage with walkways between
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and they started up both gables with the Hardie siding
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here's Friday, 6/16/6....
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Six roofers and not ONE harness?
Tsk, Tsk, tsk...Osha would have them boys for lunch.
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There is no cure for stupid. R. White.
Roy & Chuck finished the front half of the two gables..garage
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and house.....
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i got my bricks up to the new staging.. i borrowed a couple of these from my mason
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Been watching your progress with block, flue tiles, and brick. It's like watching grass grow! ;-)
Your latest post refers to "my mason," so I gotta ask, "Where is he?"
And if he cannot make it or won't, or whatever, how much do you think you are spending/saving with him not there?
gene... you're not paying attention..my mason had his leg amputated..
he just got his new one.. hasn't figured out how to climb ladders yet..
so.. "saving/spending" who cares ? .... you ?
me, i just felt like building a chimney and his misfortune seemed like an opportunity.. might even finish it this weekMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
You will put some decorative touches to the top of the chimney - like angled half bricks above and below a course of soldiers, won't you? Something like your mason would normally do?
i was planning on corbeling out one course.. then again with 3 courses..
then corbel back in one course and
top it with 3 courses.. one of which gets buried in the cast-in-place cap..
let's see if it actually works out that way ..
some call that a "bulls dick" topMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Then tie a big plastic bag on top as a condom?
Good work! Keep it up!
Hey, you got any experience with a block saw? See my thread in Tools.
Edited 6/20/2006 8:28 pm ET by peteshlagor
no... i did a patio with some of the concrete cobble stones.. we had to cut a bunch, so i borrowed my tile guy's wet saw.. worked great
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Roy & Chuck are over the ridge and staged to finish.. i'm planning on them finishing tomorrow so they can start insulating on Thursday
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garage..
house..
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and i'm taking bets on wether i can finish the chimney by Friday
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here's a close-up of the A-frame staging i borrowed from my mason
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and , since the rake has about a 12" overhang, i built a cricket to divert the water from the back side of the chimney.. plywood
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Grace
and lead
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and the finished roof side
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Are your roofers gonna tie in steps under that lead or are you letting the crease be the step?
Dumb question coming from me, but I RE-flash and rarely see new work.
BTW, I like lead , it is what got me and Grant hooked up almost 2 yrs ago.
Great stuff Michael..just frigging great.
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There is no cure for stupid. R. White.
you mean like flash / counter flash ? .. i'll be doing that roofing.. i don't want no one screwing with my flashing..
i'll show you what i'll do... my inclination at this point is the lead alone will do just fine.. with maybe some strategic inserts of stepsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Yeah..I mean steps under the reglets that you have installed or what I call counterflashings.
If you ( or when you) tie into the cricket ( BTW whats on that?) you could solder to the steps iffin they were Cu. Ya can't solder lead very well, I tried.
You damm Yankees have a different way than us when it comes to snow drifts melting on a cricket..so I await with bated breath. (g).
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There is no cure for stupid. R. White.
Mike - I'm gonna bust your chops a little on your cricket design and I might learn something in return. No wider than that chimney is (and as far up the roof as it is), I'd forgo the cricket. Instead, I'd use a single piece back pan, bent to channel the water back toward the roof side. My concern with your design is that half the water that comes down the roof above the chimney will run down the back of the chimney, keeping it wet where the rake cornice dies into it. Also, all those pieces of lead create many joints where water could possibly infiltrate. If it was a bigger, wider chimney in the middle of the roof, I'd flash it similarly to your method.
Does this hat make my butt look big?
http://grantlogan.net/
grant.... i'll take a pic when we're done.. i may even run some water down just for you...
one of my concerns was what would the seagulls think when they were looking at your bent back pan... or maybe the racoons .. anyways as you can tell, i'm a big cricket fan.. and i'm not worried about a leak at the flashingsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy & Chuck finished the gables and started painting their way down... got all the trim ... just 2d coat trim & overcoat body.... but no matter what ... they're insulating tomorrow..
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i got up to the final staging on the brick.. so weather permitting ..maybe we'll top out tomorrow
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it ain't Friday yet bro'..lol (L586.jpg.)
Looking great!
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There is no cure for stupid. R. White.
Friday started with rain.. so first thing Randy did was have Joe bail out the sewer catchbasin
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and Roy & Chuck were blowing dens-pak in the walls
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and the finished wall, ready for blueboard
i didn't get started on the chimney until 10, so i never made my Friday deadline.. still have 11 courses left
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Chuck & I usually move 60 bricks at a time with a brick carrier set for 10 bricks
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I'm the king of the World !
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here's a sequence of our mooney wall .... this is the thimble area..
rough framing
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thimble mortared in
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mooney nailed up at 16" oc horizontal
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mesh stapled
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mesh glued with Elmer's white glue
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cells dens-pak'd
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and the bay full & tight
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Hey Mike, I'm sure I missed it, but do you run the Mooney strapping before or after the doors/windows are set?...and do you use jamb extensions, or order doors and windows for the walls?Holly I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
snort... we set our windows , then apply the mooney so our site built extension jambs will fit and have the right reveal
doors we order with jambs for the thickness of the wall (6") so ... with slop, a 6 1/4" jamb works great ( 1/2 + 3 1/2 + 1 1/2 + 1/2 )Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Yeah, I'm liking that mooney thing...I have to do a lot of jamb extensions, and it would always be so much easier to fasten through the sides, rather than the edges...do you see a problem with running the 2x2s tight to the window frames? I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
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"there's enough for everyone"
david.. when i say "lighten up " you do just that... thanksMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike... dumb question from a framer.....
The Elmer's glue..... that's to keep the insulmesh in place? So that you're not relying on staples to keep it tight and not belly out when you blow in the cells? Pour it in a pan and roll it on?
It's really looking awesome Mike.... great job. I like how you work... you do what you want to do and sub out stuff too. Like the chimney... I know that fell into your lap because of the mason's misfortune, but instead of finding another sub you decided to have at it. Meanwhile you subbed out the roof when roofing isn't something you guys normally shy away from either. I'm guessing that was an 'allocation of available resources' type situation. Figured your time was better spent having the guys side and paint while you work the masonry.... but still keep the job on track and get the roof weather tight. Pretty cool. I'd love to work for a guy like you someday. So much to learn.View Image
brian... yes , the cells have so much force they would definitely get between the mesh and the stud and play he1l with the blueboard, so the glue solves that
we first bought a special wall paper glue from Regal Industries.. then played around with some local wall paper stuff , then hit on the Elmer's
when Mike quit, i had to reorganize.. so the roofing to my sub was a no-brainer.... right now the push is to get ready for blueboard
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"there's enough for everyone"
"i didn't get started on the chimney until 10, so i never made my Friday deadline.. still have 11 courses left"
so I win that $100 ... or $50.
I forgot to tell U we were betting ... so U can decide.
outback is fine ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
lot's of rain.. checked out the job yesterday... lonely chimney in the rain
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decided to work on a cap detail..the one on the left is the one i'll try
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Yeah, that's the chimney detail I was looking for! Good work.
Roy & Chuck arre insulating the band-joist area.. Chuck is gluing in the 1" foam dams with gun foam
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and Roy is blowing the box.. two holes.. one to blow the cells in.. and a small hole to relieve the pressure
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Roy cut an inspection door to see how well the cells are packing in the box
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well here's what the cap detail looks like in 12" = 1 ft scale
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and the plan i used ( the one on the left )
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the soldiers are oversized paving bricks to give a little more mass
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Clap, clap, clap......
Love the cap, Mike. Wanna come do mine like that?View Image
why not ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That's nice, man.
finally capped that sucker
filling the forms with concrete
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then a plastic wrap to help it cure overnight
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What's the rope/twine for?
well, glad you asked...my PLAN is to pull the string tomorrow which will leave a caulk joint around the flues...
usually there is no room for caulk yet that joint will leak water in a crack a lot of caps
we'll see how well the rope trick worksMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I think it will work.FHB (or maybe JLC) had an article on doing a cap, maybe 5 years ago.IIRC they used a thin flexable foam, like that used in shipping.
This thread is great Mike. Thanks for keeping with it.
I'm getting ready to demo my own cap and chimney for a rebuild. I'm curious about your cap pour.
A friend told me thay've seen special pre-mix bags specifically for chimney tops. Had fibers in it, and I think some form of latex-modified additive (similar to a thinset mix). I guess to account for lots of thermal expansion/contraction during it's service life. I've neve seen it personally, but I'm no mason (I prefer wood chips...).
Did you put any fibers in? mesh? or just straight 3K or 5K crete?
Thanks
PS, I'm also curious to hear how your string trick worked out!Ithaca, NY "10 square miles, surrounded by reality"
rope trick worked great... the one on the right worked better than the one on the left because we had more rope.. the wraps started below the concrete and well above it.. the other one we didn't have enough rope so it was harder chiseling it loose
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here's my version of our State Capital... with the Independent Man on top of the dome
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well .... off to play golf... Wednesday Twilight League... wish me well
rain & 30 knot winds
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wishing you well
that golf course ought to be all downhill after getting to the top of that "dome"
cheers!
reshoot that last pic ...
have the guy who likes U the most pull the ladder temp so it doesn't look like yer holding on ...
pick the guy who likes U the most so there's a better chance the ladder gets put back up quick.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Mike - Your efforts are impressive.
I spent close to 2 hours with my helper on the computer showing him your work. He's been doing mason work on and off for over 20 years. Every time he got to look at a acaffold shot he damn near got tears in his eyes, he couldn't believe people actually build scaffold like that. He certainly never got to work on it. <G> I didn't hear much complaint about the brickwork either. Actually, he said you picked a good brick for the chimney because of the holes, and the mortar going between from one course to the next.
So, now that you did it, do you want to do another?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New construction - Rentals
don... i think i'd go broke building chimneys.. but it was funMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, bogey golf tonight. I'm one happy guy.
How'd it go?
It's wednesday, so of course rain. This time it rained b/4 we got to the farthest hole from the clubhhouse. We started 45min's later and got rained on for a couple holes, but then the sun came out, along with the beer girl.
Good time was had by all.
Nice chimney.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Our league was rained out yesterday.
The rain stopped before our 5pm tee time, there was standing water on the course, and they closed down until further notice.I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run
bogey golf for me... lost my match.. great day anyways.. not much wind.. actually got to wear my glasses on a few holes
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I'd be happy with bogey golf. I'm usually around 50 give or take a couple strokes.
I lose most of my strokes from 100 yards in.I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run
i give up most of mine on the greenMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
One of my favorite sayings on the green, "I can three putt from anywhere."
I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run
or that other one.. on in one, down in fiveMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Do you put any sort of mastic or caulk in the area of the green dots ?
I ask because you didn't mention it, and I can't tell if you did or not.
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Welcome to America.The best republic money can buy.
not yet..... but i might , now that you mention itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Does it really need it ?It's not something I have actually thought about before. It's one of the things I do without thinking about whether it's overkill or not.I lay down a double thick bead of black mastic around all 4 sides when I lay down the jack. Just far enough in so that when it is pressed or nailed down, it barely squeezes out a line along the edge. Then if I put any nails in the bottom half of the flange, I nail through where the mastic is underneath, and then the nails get a healthy dollop of mastic on top as well.Probably just wasting mastic.They say to think like water. In my world, water is paranoid ! LOL (Or would that be pernicious, and I am the one who is paranoid ?)
Welcome to America.The best republic money can buy.
I could see putting along the vertical lines (sides of the flashing), but not along the bottom. If water somehow got under the flashing, caulk along the bottom would prevent it from being able to get out... Am I off base?
I agree and was going to reply with the same comments.
Good point. In some situations.I said I hadn't thought much about it. That didn't mean I didn't think at all about it.;o)So... Agreed.Except... The mastic around the other 3 sides is there to keep the water from "somehow getting under". The ribbon of mastic is laid down with a small mason's paddle. It ends up being about a 1/4" thick and 3 or 4 inches wide. The shingles, grace, and everything else does go back on as usual in a good watershed manner.In my situation, since I have done everything I can do otherwise, to prevent water from getting under this thing from any other direction. However, I am less concerned with draining the bottom of a piece of plastic or tin in this situation, than I am in capilary action drawing water up from the bottom.The reason for putting the mastic along the bottom as well, is because I have seen water sucked up under things like this by capilary action, as far as 6 or 8 feet. The conditions for that, are ideal. Lacking capilary action, rain can also be blown up under the bottom edge of this for quite a way.If this were installed in a vertical/plumb situation, I might tend to worry less about the above, and agree more with your concern.
Welcome to America.The best republic money can buy.
rain can also be blown up under the bottom edge of this for quite a wayPlaying devils advocate, asking a hypothetical question and takingthat idea one step further...So do we also then have to put mastic at the bottom of each rowof shingles?
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Agreed, but I haven't seen where the tar strip is solid as in no missing spots allowing water in those areas. But then again Ihaven't laid any shingles lately so they may have a solid strip now.
No, they don't have a solid strip. It is segmented to allow drainage if need be.
So I guess what we're all saying is that if Mike wants to caulk the bottom of his boot... he should consider doing as the shingle manufacturers do.
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That tar on the shingle will stick better to the flashing kit of the skylight than to another shingle. It doesn't need anymore caulk or tar.
Can't you hear the violin playing your song.
Building Under a MicroscopeI got to agree with that, basically have to admire Mike for thisthread cause that is exactly what he is doing.Yeah, it's a bunch ado about nothing (tar at the bottomof the boot, not mikes thread)
Yep, Mike gets the 1st annual "GIGANTIC BRASS BALLS" award for this thread. It also says an awful lot about the quality of his product. I built about 80% of my own home and did a heck of a nice job with it from a quality and care standpoint. It still doesn't hold a candle to the attention to detail that Mike's house is getting. And he hasn't even started the finish yet. I have a feeling that the best is yet to come.View Image
Mike oughta re-title this thread, "Building Under a Microscope". LOL...
So, THAT'S what "Adverse Conditions" is.
Randy wants the area cleared so he can grade, so we started by taking the extra bricks back ...670 on an F150.... this is not the same F150 i had in '85..
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then i got some more pics of dancing on the cap
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Happy 4th of July to you !
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then i got some more pics of dancing on the cap
Now that one I like!
kinda dig the long shot too ...
very cool stuff.
They'll look nice blown up in yer office.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
lot's of rain... but the 4th is over.. kids went back to NC.. back to work for me
today started out raining but cleared by noon..
here's a series showing how i step flash the chimney.. in this case i'm using pieces of the hatteras shingle as my steps.... and the lead counterflash covers
but i don't like to show the bottom part of the counterflash so i always cover with my shingles.. and if you have a tabbed-shingle ( these are Hatteras, which has a 9" tab & an 8" exposure ).. you will show the flashing thru the gullet.. so i usea "dutchman"
here's step 1... the shingle covers the flash... the red crayon is the outline of the lead underneath.... the step will have the tab glue down
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and step2....slipping the step up underneath the next counterflaash
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step 3.....nailing the step above the lead
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step 4 ..
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step 5 with a dutchman under
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& step 6 at the top...meeting the corner flash.. which meets the cricket
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here's the cricket pics i promised..
layers of grace & shingles & lead
cric1... on the side below the cricket... at the corner flash
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cric2... at the top looking down
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cric3..... with grace over the saddle..
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cric 4...... with a shingle cap
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and done...
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Roy & Chuck were back in full swing.... Chuck got back from Martha's Vineyard
working on the attic... blowing about 23" which will settle to about 20"
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Roy loves his work.... don't let him kid you
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we'll clean up and expose the catwalks again..they're under there someplace
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here's some more shots of the blocking we did at the band joist area
and the kitchen fan outlet in the soffit area
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Roy did some sound insulation also.. which is the yellow friction fit F'glas batts
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here's the kneewall & rafter area... we nailed a plywood dam to a furring stop on the floor and then to the rafters.. so it forms about a 16" base on the triangle .. then blew the area thru the plywood dam
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and the gable end...
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and the rafters on the slant ceiling area
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Well the boys were born 6/28/06. This is Matthew and Luke will be pictured soon!! The little guy needs a little help with his breathing. He'll be fine though!!!
-Lou C
lou.....congratulations !
that is the biggest baby i've ever seen !..
now, where's Luke ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Lukes still in the nicu, and why dont cha resize my man Matthew for me.
TY, LMC
=0)
Politics: The blind insulting the blind.
thanks .... ain't he cute ?
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You're welcome.Cute as a button.=0)
Yadda yadda yadda
Yeah, sweet. Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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Mike,
My impression from all the discussions about cellulose insulation is that it would be better for sound insulating (seals all the openings where sound can sneak through. Do you find the FG works better?
Don
don... i think you're right... but i didn't want to spend the time and money for marginal improvement
a lot of the sound transmission is thru the floor & studs and ceiling... so this was an example of spending money on something else or not Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike
Have you ever tried rockwool for interior walls to block sound transmission?
I have cells in the attic and exterior walls (sorry I learned about your Mooney wall AFTER the drywall). I used Roxul brand rockwool in all interior walls. Really makes quite a difference in blocking sound transmission.
Phil
Phil, how did you handle that stuff? I know a HVAC guy whose crew fights over who doesn't get to put it in. I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
finished the flashing on the upper roof and took the roof staging down
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Chimney looks proud and classy -
good work -
"there's enough for everyone"
tanks... we still on for the 15th ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
ya - the girls are lobbying for the 1:46 PM train outta Boston - then the 10:03 AM to get us back in time for the PU picnic on sunday - alternative is the 9:40 AM to get to you - trip takes 66 minutes, according to the schedule -
what works for you and Helen?
"there's enough for everyone"
either one is just fine !
you choose and let us know..... the early one gives us more time... but the late one let's you sleep inMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
No problems. This brand, Roxul, was "slabs" about 4 feet long and ~15? inches wide x 3 1/2 inches deep. Fits snug inbetween studs, doesn't droop. No much visible dust, but I wore gloves and a paper filter mask with the built-in air valve. Cuts easy too with a sharp long blade with 2x4 as a guide.
and also roxul has a compressable edge on one side of it (the batts) and it compensates for wavy studs and you have to put in one side of the batt first..can't remember what side though first. The compressable edge is marked by a thick dashed line and you are not supposed to cut it off.. I found all of this out after i read the instructions on the bag after installing it of course. The drywall suppliers in this area say that Roxul can't make their product as fast as they sell it. It was very hard for me to find roxul this week for steel studs 16'' oc this week because it is 6 weeks back ordered."I hate quotations. Tell me what you know" Ralph Waldo Emerson
I do not recall the compressable edge..... might not be on the bales I bought.
My cellulose installer recommended Roxul rockwool to me for sound deadening on interior walls. Works very well for me.
I like that it is square cut and completely fills the stud bay, from stud to stud and from drywall to drywall.
(Sorry Mike, for this small hijack).
i bet it would be great.... but i don't want to blow it.... I bet Roy wouldn't eitherMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Nah, it's slabs not blow-in type.
Mike - As I said before, this is not a critique of your work - it's impecable. I just think you've taken a simple problem and applied a complicated solution. But, you know your local climate and critters and I might end up learning some hard lessons if I started doing flashing in RI. See ya at the fest.
Andrew Douglas: What have you been up to? Jim White: Killin' time... It just won't die.
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grant.. story of my life.....anyone can do the simple... why not make it complicated ?
lemme see.. how does that gibe with my favorite philosopher's immortal words .... " What, me worry ? "Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
my favorite philosopher's immortal words .... " What, me worry ? "
Mr. Alfred E. Newman of Mad Magazine fame........some of the younsters may not know Mr. Newman.
House is looking good.....I am sure my New Home Texas Style thread home will never be a beautifully depicted. Maybe a few pics, but certainly not the show you put together.
We are adding piers, and extending the covered back porch. The contract is amended accordingly and closed. We had rain all this week (lots). I hope to start stripping organics and building a pad next week if all drys out.
tex... the pics are easy...take a thousand and edit 'em down to about 10... use those..
house looks great..
i figgered that out when House Beautiful did a photo shoot of one of our customer's homes.... lot's of pics .... edit.... few pics printedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
2 x 4 Mike (10-4 in builder speak)
Stay tuned to New Home Texas Style....should be taking off this week. I would appreciate and value your observations.
Opps, I haven't made too many comments regarding your home....except....Sweeeet.
I envy that your situation calls for your personal "hands on" invlovement. I did it in the past (slab fab / frame / cornice / roof / ext paint / int trim and cabs / etc.) 16-20 employees that sometimes drove me crazy.
Doing several homes and / or projects at any given time...I must do most things with subs, be on the phone, computer and site management...no time to push "in house" crews. Nice thing is that I usually stay clean, exept when I schedule a day on my tractor or loader, but those days are fun.
It sure is nice to build, doing things that I love to do. Art in action that pays well....satisfies my art brained craving to be creative.
yesterday.. we staged the screened porch, ran the fascia , and started the roofing..
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Mike,
Looking good! I really like the dense pack pics, as I'm getting into that more.
What's the floor surface going to be in the screen porch?
Nice job on the chimney! I've been wearing the mason hat lately too. Kinda of nice, you don't need a whole trailer full of tools.
Been raining, hey.
Keep up the good work!
Brudoggie
Hey Mike, it is beautiful. I am over here from cooks talk. I didn't want to read the whole thread. Whatever happened to the butt head neighbors? I can't imagine having ucky neighbors. PamilynThe purpose of Art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls
thanks....
nothing yet, still waiting for the judge's rulingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Yer doin' us all proud, Mike. Not that I'm surprised.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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He's signing autographs at the fest from 2:00 to 4:00 Saturday.
Ohhh tipi tipi tipi. Tipi tipi fest, Yes we're gonna party with the very best. Come over to the tipi. Give Andy all your dough. Cause you gotta to pay. If you want to go. Sing along Y'all.
Tipi fest 06. Get hip.
Roy & Chuck trimmed out the front of the garage & sided it
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while i was on the back doing the pent roof around the shed dormer
here's our typical "break flash" we make from 24" coil stock... slitted so we get three 8" pieces
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Mike: it's details like that "break flash" that make your work so superb. Too bad it's too late for me! Thanks for pointing out how butt-ugly my own version is in comparison!
Question, Mike. Look at the pic, clipped from your post.
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I wonder what is done to dress up the garage front where the jamb casings end below the bottom end of the siding. That 4" or so of exposed crete is annoying, dontcha think?
Gene,
In all the frames around here the foundations the openings for the overhead doors are 3-6" bigger than the actual doors. This allows for the steel track for the overhead doors to be lagged to the garage framing without cutting out concrete.
I put 1-2 cripples on each side of the opening to get the door opening where it should be. That leaves the bottom foot or so of the cripples below the siding. I use 2x4 on the flat to cover that whole cripple then wrap the 2x4 with aluminum.
Once the driveway is poured the trim goes right down to the flat work.
You might be able to see it in this picture as well. This might be the reason. We'll see what Mike has to say.Can't you hear the violin playing your song.
yup.... we do the double PT jack ( your cripple ) too..... and get the same result
i don't really want to fake in the siding to a lower level because it won't look good at the corners
if i raise the slab i will lose my pitch ( right now it is pitched 4" up to the back of the garage.... AND code requires a minimum of 4" for safety
so i wind up with an 8" drop at the frontMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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The Bombers are coming back in the bottom of the ninth, in a thunder storm.
Sox win or lose? Last I saw it was 1-0 Sox. In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.
Dunno yet... I'm on TIVO right now. We're getting mad lightening right now too... but no rain yet. Hopefully it breaks the heat. My left nut melted and ran down into my boot today.View Image
Yankees just went to a rain delay. After they tied it. A-rod was in the middle of an at-bat with 2 outs, bottom of the ninth, and they decide to tarp the field.
It was hot here too. Luckily, I'm inside for the most part. I was in and out to cut, but in the shade.In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.
Lestor threw a one-hitter thru 8 and Pappelbaum combined for another save
1 - 0 SoxMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,How you doing schedule wise?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
bobl: trying to get them in the house in August
the rockers delivered the blueboard today and started hanging
i intended they would stock the 2d floor thru the window over the breezeway in the North gable end.. but they said " no way "
luckily they had a 60' boom so they just reached right over the screened porch roof and shoved it thru the South gable window
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60' boom with 12' sheets !
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Did you get a little nervous with the boom swinging by your chimney?
not a bit.... i wasn't even there until they were already unloading....
phew !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Ain't technology grand! Sure beats hoofing it up a sheet at a time.
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
Hey John - The seats recline. All you gotta do is climb in and ride. Best offer you'll get for a while.
Andrew Douglas: What have you been up to? Jim White: Killin' time... It just won't die.
http://grantlogan.net/
I appreciate the offer and wish I could take you up on it. But there will be no vacations this year... at least not until project house has been moved into and current house sold.
Current target move date is November, and I doubt Andy would want to bump Tipifest back that far. :)
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
I love to try and bust your chops, 'cause I usually get and education doing it. Today Grant's lesson will be scaffold staking. Why do you have your scaffold stacked upside down in the mud? I can see that's better than right side up, but why not on the side?
Andrew Douglas: What have you been up to? Jim White: Killin' time... It just won't die.
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hey.. i wish i could make up a good reason they were stacked like that..
best i could come up with is the guys like trying to knock the mud out of the pipes...
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to be fair.. Randy ran us out of the front so he could do some grading
and the high end of the deck was the only place left.. if they were on their side they would not lean against the deck
naturally.. next place i set them up was ON the deck to roof and trim the bay window.. and yes.. first thing i had to do was knock the mud out of the pipesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
If you keep the pins locked in the ends, they're down there on the ground. No mud going up and filling it that way. Good crew there, always thinking.
or their up on blocks.
"but Pawtucket had other ideas. Jeff Bailey led off the ninth with a single and reached second on a throwing error by Hooper, the third error on the day for Toledo. The table was then set for Calloway’s heroics, as he hit just his second home run of the season over the fence in centerfield".
Congrats.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
tomorrow nite we're going to a Newport Gulls game.. supposed to rival the Cape Cod League with the chance to see some of the college players trying toi make it to the big showMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Great! Some of the best ball can be found in the small stadium.
Bet they have a nice hat those Gulls.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
sure is .. any suggestions ?
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This might have worked, Mike. Trouble is, the detail must be done before the siding goes up.
The thickness build of the water table might require either plinthblock stands at the bases of vert trim elements like door casings and corners, or instead, could be lessened by the use of a thinner PT nailer underneath.
On another topic, for those of us that don't live in the promised land of veneer plaster work that is competitive with a mudded drywall job, will you please document for us, in pics and words, the following:
How many days and hours the plaster crew is in the house, start to finish.
How clean the job is left when they are done.
How straight the walls are coming to corners, both outside and inside, for the application of base trim. A drywall mud job always has way too much mud build, IMHO, and the wows are a pain to deal with.
Gene, a spec to include from the Miratec guidelines.
The structure on which the
MiraTEC Trim is applied
should be well vented and
dry. Do not apply trim
over wet sheathing, or any
closer than 6" to finished
grade or final landscaping.
As with all wood products,
MiraTEC Trim should not
come in direct contact
with masonry or concrete.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Quittin' Time
What about azek?But for as close to the ground that this is, why not just paint it the color of the siding?
gene.. we've done watertable details like that before to hide foundation uglies
all it takes is money ...
in this case to use a watertable detail like that on the garage, i would have had to also do it on the house... and if they had that money in their budget , i would have tried to divert it to the front entry..
i really wanted a covered entry on this one.... but priorites were elsewhereMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the board hangers did most of the first floor on Wednesday with 4 guys
and finished Thursday with 2 guys.. all 12' sheets
the lead man, Tony, is from the Azores ( St. Michael ) , a native Portuguese speaker... his crew were all south americans ( Spanish )
so Tony speaks Portugues at home, Spanish on the job ( fluently ) and English with me ( fluently )...interesting
here's some shots of the first floor in blueboard
hall/ stairs
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living area
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dining /bay window
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and wood stove
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Plasterers start on Monday
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Roy and Chuck were finishing the front... while i did the roof over the Bay Window
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brought the little 2 ft. break i bought from Barry up on the staging...
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pretty handy.. you can take it right to the area you need it.. like chimney flashing or parapets
Roy and Chuck got a start on the back dormer.. here's some starter strip..
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we used the Hardie rips from the front off the last course under the soffit
ran out of battery juice for the camera.. so, that's all until Monday
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Mike I have been following your post of the Home . I have found alot of new ideas and was wondering where to find the 2ft break is there a web site for it or where can it be purchased at.
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but i know Trim-A-Brake II is a Van Mark
i'll see if i can find out any more info
here's a link to the Van Mark page... so it's still in production
looks like the model T200
http://www.van-mark.com/Brakes/trimbrak/TabSpecs.html
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First time I saw your 2' brake, I thought it might be a showroom display sample ! Buic
Here is one source.$380. But and $125 for a bending handle. DOn't know what that is.http://www.southern-tool.com/store/van-mark_trim-a-brake.html
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bill , your link showed it on sale at $379...
the bending handle is the big loopy thing you grab and swing up, it is detachable... makes the bends more intuitively accurateMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
For a hunnert and a quarter, I could make a slew of handles with conduit and a bender..
Dale has a 4' brake in his shop, basically just half of an old break sawn in two..I wish I had the other half, it is handy.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
" I am not an Activist, I am, a Catalyst. I lay around and do nothing, until another ingredient is added"
Harbor Freight has a 40" brake for $99 -
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46508
No idea if it's any good, and there's probably a number of people who'll tell you not to get it just because it's from HF, but might work for you.
Don
plasterers decided to work yesterday, so Helen & I took a ride to see how they're doing
i was pleased to see.. we're getting a very nice finish
they think they'll be done by Wednesday
here's the views i couldn't take on Friday with my dead camera battery
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some shots of the finish.. no bumps, no skips, good beads... AND
they put 15# felt down on all the subfloor so we won't be scraping plaster for the next two months
stairs/ hall closet
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corner bead
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fiberglass shower corner
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here's a pic of the amount of light the Suntunnel provides at the top of the stairwell
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and one of the woodstove wall with the thimble
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those bead shots remined me of a couple from hell I did a kitchen for last year ...
had to do some drywall work too ... used metal bead ...
coated ... sanded ... ready for paint.
problem was ... they were to be the painters ... never a good sign.
I had to have a special meeting with them and the owners of the kitchen place I was subbing for ... one of their concerns ... I somehow screwed up the drywall ...
appearantly I sanded down so far no fix could be thot of ...
that edge of the metal was showing!
See ... now yer guys go ahead and screw that detail up too ... and U know what's gonna happen .... all that paint is gonna stick .... and yer gonna be screwed too buddy!
I'll never look at corner bead the same ....
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
WTF are you talking about, willis ?
metal bead always shows
and it always gets painted along with the plaster.. it isn't treated any differently
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or are you describing their reaction ?
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you do know you are speaking in tongues , right ?
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or are you describing their reaction ?
that's the one.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
plasterers were back after lunch today.. started on the ceilings
first step is mesh on the joints.. then a scratch coat on the joints.. they're using Imperial Plaster for a scratch coat...
here's Marco on stilts for the scratch...
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and the other plasterer working the room...
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this crew is 2 plasterers and 2 laborers... about par for the course on most whole house jobs
the ceilings are textured... which can mean several things.. it could be a sand finish
with a fan-pattern swirl.. or , as in this case.. no sand, with a skip-trowel
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Roy & Chuck were working the rear dormer face
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while i was measuring for gutters and forming a landing for the deck stairs
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How can you afford to fly Buck View Image and View Image Duane out there just to do drywall work for you ?
Yadda yadda yadda
Roy & Chuck were working the dormer cheek.. but Chuck went home sick
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so Roy & i poured the landing pad for the deck stairs
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then i finished out the day making up the bay window gutter.. the rest of the gutters will be dropped tomorrow morning
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then i finished out the day making up the bay window gutter.. the rest of the gutters will be dropped tomorrow morning
I thought you were a proponent for designing so gutters are not needed. Is there a specific reason why you chose to use gutters on this house?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
the conservation / planning commission required them... and a catch basin.. and a forebay discharge... all in all .. about $10,000 extra for something nobody needed
the same roof water is going to wind up in the same place.... or .. maybe not.. i bet the roof water would never get to the pond if it just dripped off the roofMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I am following but not making too many comments. I was confused, and thought you guys were really doing old style plaster. It looks like drywall work to me.
Good looking house... Mike. I am anxious to see your inside trim and cabinet work.
It reminds me of days gone by when we did lots of the work "in house".
I still get to play on my machines, but it is harder and harder to climb in and out of the loader, even if it is lots of fun and away from the phone.
Keep up the great work and stay tuned to New Home Texas Style.
tx... it's skim -coat... and it's real plaster, just not as thick
if they get into curves , they still have to do three-coat, here it's two coat, scratch on the joints , then finishMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the furnace in? or did I miss it?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
furnace is in.... i'll take some pics when it's wired & plumbedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
gutter guy came today.. rolled out almost 300' of 5" gutter and all the parts
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tomorrow i have to go to Maine for some Chief Architect training.. so no pics for you
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Dude.... this guy looks like skin cancer waiting to happen man. He's like...... orange!
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yeeeeaah .. i've known this guy for about 5 years... every summer he looks the same
reminds me of a lotta surfer dudes.. nice guy , tooMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
He looks like one of those guys who probably hasn't even taken a t-shirt out of his drawer since April. One of my guys is like that too....I don't think he even brings a shirt somedays. I'd turn purple with that much sun.View Image
Veneer plaster work done yet, Mike? How many days, start to finish? Show us some all-cleaned-up pics.
If you've got good lighting to depict it, show us with a straightedge how some inside and outside corners look, where you'll be applying base trim. It's those curves left in a gyprock and mud job that annoy me so much about them.
pretty much.. they were done on Wednesday...
so hanging on Thursday -Friday
4 guys plaster on Sat... 4 on Monday
2 on Tuesday
1 on Wednesday
still waiting for them to do the cleanup before i take any pics
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i made up the bay window gutter so Chuck can paint it before we hang it
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and Chuck was painting while Roy was roofing the north cheek of the dormer
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You guys must never get bored. You do some of everything... I'd love to be proficient at a bunch of stuff like that but I'm afraid crews like yours are a dieing breed. She's coming together nice Mike.View Image
Dying breed...............man, what a morbid guy.
But hey mike. Do you always wear your pants that high?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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is that a rocket in your pocket, or do you just like me ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
The reason I mention it Mike, I think I've lost my ####. I've been noticing that my pants slide down with the back pockets loaded with tools. (I try to get away without the bags if possible). I'm always pulling them up. At any rate, don't remember that problem b/4. I really think I'm losing my #### in this business.
apologies for transgressing.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
"noticing that my pants slide down"have you tried suspenders?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
Jeff Foxworthy says old men lose them.
I dunno. Thats what Jeff said . <G>
Tim
Well then, there you have it.
Just what I was thinking. Just didn't expect it so soon.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
wasn't it you who was remarking they were thinking of getting Starret angle finders - received new Garret Wade catalog today & they have a nice discount on the two of them ( or one )
what we are seeing of Amazon pricing one would do well to check their pricing too
salud
Dying breed...............man, what a morbid guy.
LOL... aw c'mon man. Just don't see many guys doing the frame to finish thing anymore and I think it's a bummer because I'd like to do that someday. But like Mike says, the market for that sort of attention to detail isn't exactly huge. Besides... that's just my way of calling Mike a dinosaur. ;)View Image
just wait'll U kids get more outta new const and more into remodeling ...
you'll learn all sorta cool stuff ...
which you'll learn to hate doing!
upside is way more tools ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
True dat. This summer's been a learning experience for me. 7 additions in a row with only one new house on the horizon as far as I can see for us. Much more challenging than new work for a bunch of reasons. The tie-ins, of course but also the fact that on a lot of additions and remodels the architect and homeowner have literally gone over every sq in of space... so this corner must be just right or their armoire won't fit, and that corner must be layed out just so for the kitchen guy, and this french door needs to move just another inch so that the patio furniture on the other side'll fit just so. Never mind the logistics of it all.... not crushing flower beds, tight lots, parking issues, delivery issues.....It's been quite a summer.View Image
everything U said ... and more ... Yup!
remodeling is a whole 'nother worlds.
plus ... add in the fact U did ... the clients are there to nitpick each and every day ... that alone adds a world of difference ... U gotta figure in the time for just standing around and agreeing that everything looks great ... aside from the "just move this a hair and just adust their other there" ...
that said ... it's where the money is. Easy to lose yer beltloops ... but I'd rather deal with making individuals happy than deal with new const crews trying to find new ways to work cheaper than me.
just had a thot ... I'll email ya.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
"Is it really all right if the wood gets wet?"
I've been asked that question more times this summer than all my other years combined. Oh yeah... and we forgot to add tarping, security, and the client's brother who used to pound nails one summer 10 years ago who is the resident family expert on everything homebuilding. LOL... it's a real barrel of monkeys all right.View Image
just wait till someone in the family is an engineer ...
doesn't matter what kinda engineer ... they're an engineer and they know all!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
"doesn't matter what kinda engineer ... they're an engineer and they know all!"
But can they Pour Pi$$ out of their own Boot?
Spent 2 hrs with one on friday, 20 something, company bills out @ Buck fifity an hr & this one was Clueless. Spent most of the time trying to take pictures of the work with a Pos $49 camera, took him 30 mins to figure out the batteries were dead. It was great entertainment for friday!
Now that is really funny. Must have missed that class, battery 101.
Spent 2 hrs with one on friday, 20 something, company bills out @ Buck fifity an hr & this one was Clueless. Spent most of the time trying to take pictures of the work with a Pos $49 camera, took him 30 mins to figure out the batteries were dead. It was great entertainment for friday!
So you're saying it cost $75 to determine the batteries were dead? Sounds like he's padding the bill :)
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
Captain Mike
that seems to be an interesting phenomenon to me
your gutter man shows up and gives you straight formed lengths and you do final prep to fit facia? ( i.e. bay window mitering etc ? )out here my guy has an incredible array of colors / enough that I've used his chart w/ customers to select paintswould think his tools and experience would provide for best joinery in corners & w/ downspouts and suchcarry on & we study & learn John
john... he cuts regular miters ( strip miters ...90 degrees )
but he cuts them with a hacksaw..
for 45 deg. and something as visible as a baywindow hanging over a deck, i want to make sure they fit and i didn't want to use a strip miter
they do have an incredible array of colors....but the only way to get a true match in both color and sheen is to field paint themMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
gottcha
Im caught up again.
Thanks Mike for all the fr trouble youre goin to.
Tim
What kind of roof is that?
you mean what kind of shingles ? Hatteras by Certainteed, it's a 18" shingle with 8" course & 9" wide tabsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Got those pics of the shipshape inside after the plasterer's felt got picked up? I'm waitin' so I can get all jealous.
While you're at it, how 'bout them pics showing how straight walls are coming into and out of corners? That'll get me even more. I'll probably have to (gasp!) move to RI.
On another topic, that of HardiPlank installation, tell us (you probably did already but I'm lazy) at what spacing you staggered your end joints, whether you bothered to land ends on studs, if you did could you get each end nail into the stud, and what your nail spec was for any face nailing of the FC plank. I know which Maze you use for blind nailing.
gene... couldn't get your pics.. too hot .. had to go play golf
any FC face nailed is 8d SS Bostich ring shank
if you go back thru the pics you can see our FC joints.. and we always nail our paper on the studs so we can get a visual as an aid to nailing the FC
it's only a guide though.. i'm not concerned if we miss a stud here or there
a HD 1 3/4 roofer nailed thru our 1/2" cdx siding is not going to give us any problems
i think Hardi has some pretty stupid flashing details, especially where Hardi meets roofing
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Hey if I could stir the pot a-little on the topic of Hardi, little trick that works real well when your nailing @ the Butt, try a 15ga trim nailer into a stud@ the butt. Been their done that, got the photo thats over 10yrs old & still holds up to my reputation.
gene ... here's your plaster pics
first one is a typical corner... there is about 1/8 " space about 12" out on each leg
IE: this is a little less than a 90 deg corner...but you can't tell unless you put a square on it.... to me it looks like a good job..
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2d one is our 8' straight edge on the kitchen wall.. again.. the max space under the straight edge is about 1/8" with the typical hump at the 4' joint..
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keep in mind this is skim-coat, not three -coat plaster
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hot week....
mostly painting & installing the gutters
here's the front
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and here's a close-up of the brackets we use to hang our downspouts.. these are made by Alcoa
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and installed
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we got our 5/4 x 6 Meranti delivered for the deck... 1200 lf... but before we can lay it
first thing was to finish installing the intermediate posts on the screened porch
butting them to the 4x12 beam called for SS pocket screws
here's the Kreig jig
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and the finished pockets on the installation.. 4 screws in each and a bolt thru the band joist at the bottom
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the intermediate posts for the screen
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here's the lift of Meranti
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didn't get much done before the sky opened and dumped a lot of rain.... threw all the tools up on the porch and covered the lift
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anyways .... here's the front as of today..
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and the SE corner... i noticed there's a bumper crop of black raspberries almost ripe while i was taking this shot..... hmmmmmm
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and the ( now ) traditional long shot
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i've been following the house the whole way, and just wanted to say it looks great...really, a terrific thread...one quick question: what are you doing as far as siding on by the porch? (the part shown in the picture of the SE corner), and why are you waiting to put it on? i may have missed the answer to this one earlier in the thread, and if so, please bare with me
bull..... i was waiting because i wanted the decking in place before we did the siding
the siding will start 3/4" above the deck surface...the black aluminum flashing will provide a 3/4 shadow under the bottom of the siding
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also , we can use the deck as our staging base to stage the gable end
and ... the bay window trim has to be in place before the siding can go on.. the trim ties in to the decking... so .. it was just the sequence that i wanted to follow
here's some pics from yesterday.......adjusting the riser to the top of the rough stringer
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took delivery of the kitchen cabinets
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Mike, floor protection?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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cardboard with taped joints... once we move inside for finishMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
today Roy was working the railings.. this system is Veranda from HD.... not bad.. seems to be stronger than the Trex rail system we've done... note the RiverFest shirt that Roy is modeling
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Chuck was trimming the bay... beginning with the wrap around Trex sill
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and i was finishing the stairs.. last rails tomorrow
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Mike, can you mention your price & source for that Meranti decking? Lookin' good!
Also - can you remind me what kind of bricks you used (too lazy to dig back through 1000+ posts)
oh, you're too lazy ... what about me ?
i'm gonna do the same thing as you ... dig back thru 1000 posts until i find the one on bricks
.... hey... the Meranti is 1.89 / lf for the 5/4 x6... i can get it from almost any lumber yard.. but i mostly deal with JT's
Liberty Cedar is a good source tooMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Damm that is a good price! I just paid 70.00 ea. for FJPrimed 5/4x6x20 WRC.
Getting my hardie started in the morning..after I cut the fallen trees from last nite..we had a whomper come by.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Enjoyning the finite of matter, in an infinite realm of possibilities...
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Mike, that pair of folding alum. horses. Have not seen any w/splayed legs, what brand are they?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
StableMate SH4236-2 36" Heavy Duty Steel Pro Sawhorses (Pair)
$103.99$96.581 Used & new from $96.58In StockDon't call me daughter.
Thanks, if that's them I do know what they are. Local supplier has had them for a while. Two sizes I think. They are nice and solid. I stepped away at the weight but that's the drawback for something sturdy I guess. I'll have to take another look.
I'm a wood horse addict, but there's times various setups are necessary and a collapsable set of horses are easy to stuff in the van.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Hey Mike, do you buy those bifold frames made up? I like the porch rails, nice. I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
They are not "made up", they are real..smoke yer breakfast agin? (G)
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Enjoyning the finite of matter, in an infinite realm of possibilities...
it was brunch... I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
Atta boy!
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Enjoyning the finite of matter, in an infinite realm of possibilities...
yes..... if pressed we could ( and do ) hang our doors..
but Horner Millwork does such a great job that it would be silly...
looking forward to your smiling face and meeting Mrs. SnortMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
wanted to get some tilebase down so the owner can start laying his ceramic tile
we're using 1/2" Advantech over the 3/4 Advantech so we'll have the 1 1/4" we want
Roy came in for a half day to get it rolling
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i was installing all the deadbolts on the doors
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then i went back to the office to move the trailer, now that we have some finish grade and someplace to put it..
also we'll be needing more room for our finish tools
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What is it about Fords and front rim brake dust? My truck looks exactly the same right now. That rig looks pretty good though Mike. And the house is finishing up nicely.
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I see that a lot on all kinds of makes. More likely than not, you and Mike need to check to see how much braking is being done, (or not being done, more technically), by the rear brakes...
They got some crazy little women there, and I'm a-gonna get me one.
~Fats Domino
Luka, I'm too lazy to Google that tag line, but I believe it was Wilbur Harrison who sang that line in "Kansas City"
I googled it.Lots of people have sung it.George Jones is the name that came up the most.Carole and I both agreed that it was probably Fats Domino that we remember singing it. Since I think that is the one that keeps running through my head, that is the one I attribute.=0)
They got some crazy little women there, and I'm a-gonna get me one.
~Fats Domino
here's Saturday
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When I saw the yard sign on the last picture I first thought you had even started to put your logo on your photos when you post them.
one of these days !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That pic is a bit grainy. How about a clear one.
jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
wow... you want everything...ok.. but it'll take a couple days
hey... look who showed up ...... the inspector...Ralph Wicklund
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that's ok.. as soon as i took his tape away from him , he started hanging doors
and Roy started with the kitchen
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while the Owner and another daughter started laying tile
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That's nice, 10 ft overhead doors. Wish I had some in my garage.
Or is that guy height impaired? :)
Please tell mt they're not going lay tile directly on the`Advantech.Love this thread, thanks for sharing!Jim
The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
jim... wanna explain your comment ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, good to see you at Tipi! As per my understanding of the TCA guidelines you need a break between the thinset base and the ply or OSB as they expand and contract at different rates.You can use 1/4" cement board, membranes like Ditra and Nobel crack guard(?), or even the trowelable Red Guard. I often use 30lb felt, diamond lath and SLC in the crooked houses we work in- killing two birds with one stone.Best,Jim
The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
I saw that also and was thinking maybe they were going to use? mastic. Not sure how it would hold up. What ever was used over the wood.
So Ralph finaly got there to straighten everything up? Looking good Mike.
Tipi fest 06. Let's roll.
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had to beat him a couple times .. but he finally got some doors hung
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There's no doorknob on that door.Worse'ndat, dere's 6 hinges on dat ting. Three per each individiual side... How'dedudat ?
They got some crazy little women there, and I'm a-gonna get me one.
~Fats Domino
double with ball catches. No dummy knobs installed yet.
"Sometimes when I consider what tremendous consequences come from little things, I am tempted to think -- there are no little things" - Bruce Barton
Dangit, yer not helping at all here.People only had 5 minutes to be confused !
They got some crazy little women there, and I'm a-gonna get me one.
~Fats Domino
I like how he does the cabinets. Set the bases levelm then just set the uppers on the bases. Bet that makes for a quick install. And think of the money he saves in countertop material.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
got things pretty much squared away before we leave for TipiFest...
Maureen , the kitchen designer, came over from my lumber yard to go over details with Roy... ( her initials are the same as mine... M. F. Smith ... cool , huh ? )
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and Ralph started casing the doors he hung... we order our door casings all made up by the millwork company ( MSG : Mitered, Splined , & Glued ) .. so all we have to do is trim the bottoms and nail them up
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we order our door casings all made up by the millwork company ( MSG : Mitered, Splined , & Glued )
Is "splined" like a biscuit spline? Haven't seen that term before, and haven't seen "pre-fabbed" casings (like you describe) before either, - just the cheapies that come with the MDF pre-hung door-jamb kits, where the jamb sides and head come in three pieces with the casing attached, and they "interlock" in place. Sounds like no caulked miters on your job!"...never charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it, too" - Mark Twain
yes, a biscuit splineMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, how much for that casing service per unit? I like the idea.
blue
i'll check the invoice and let you knowMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
jim: for a solid core 6-panel, flat jambs, applied stops,brass hinge, & a pair of MSG casings i'm paying $135 for a 2/10 x 6/8...
the casings aren't broken outMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, thanks for all the great pics and talk, has help me make many decision on my addition rebuild.
Do you have any close up pics of the siding were it meets the soffit? I found in the thread you used the pro-bead soffit, but what type/style of channel/mouldings did you use to finish the top of the hardie were it meets the pro-bead.
Thanks
kwik... sometimes we terminate the top course in a 7/8 vinyl J-bead
sometimes we use a 3/4 freize board ( on the front elevation ).. i'll see if i can get some picsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy got the countertop on and Brad installed the sink ..
we'll pull the sink later and put the formica on
here's the bottom of the island countertop.. with a cantilever on the far end
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we're using Advantech for our countertops.. so far it's great !... this overhang will get cut back to about 12" for finish
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the 6" duct for the range hood is too big to fit in the soffit area, so we crushed it with a piece of plywood & a jack to make it into an oval
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here's our typical closet shelf & rod... ClosetMade with the slick rod
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today was mostly screened porch day & final grade.first they finished the vinyl soffits...... installed the PT horizontals
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then the ScreenTite tracks
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and the screening and beige vinyl caps
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the railing turned out pretty good too.. i was impressed with this product from HD
here's the stair rail
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Mike, some of the brakets seem to essentially be hinges. Is that correct ?
Are those made of plastic ?
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Also... If any of those "adverse neighbors" had been considering a new house, or renovations to the one they have... I am betting that just about now they are beginning to regret having been buttheads in their dealings with you.
;o)
A good heart embiggens even the smallest person.
the stair rail brackets are a hinge... and both brackets and fasteners are SS.
do you really think they'd waste their time asking me to do work for them ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
THe hinges make sense on paper, different angles of incline on stairs and all. Are they rigid once screwed on?
Just wonderinI'm only half as dumb as I look.
very rigid... no slop at allMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, is that redguard on the advantech underlay-in the tile picture?
thanks
And, it's the deck for the plam on the van. top and cab. bottom?
thanks again.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
cal..... i didn't read the label.. but it's a paintable waterproof membrane
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Hey Mike, Long time no talk. Everything on your job seems to be going well (its nice to see many people loving what they do). One ? How come in New England everyone seems to use blueboard and plaster? Why not just drywall and tape?
Thanks Lou
don't know Lou, drywall & tape stopped being the standard in the late '70's, by the early '80's blueboard & skim-coat had taken over...
my recollection is that it moved in from Connecticut with a lot of the buyers comming into RI for vacation homes
the other thing tha came with them was moulded doors instead of wooden doorsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy started the formica on the kitchen, scribed to the corner... this run is 12'-6", so we can't one-piece it, we'll put the joint in the sink cut-out
i got the first coat on Advantech so Roy can do 2d coat tomorrow
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Chuck was finishing the screening
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and i was trimming the screen door opening... tweaked a little bow out of the jamb
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some of you were mentioning putting something down on top of the Advantech.. so i recommended a brushable waterproof membrane
guess what the Owner wound up with
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yup... great minds think alike
the bifold doors are solid core so i spec'ed the heavy duty hdw.
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here's a close -up of the bifold trolley the doors hang from
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mike, The tape on the laminate in the inside corner: to keep it from cracking during assembly
I start by drilling out a hole with a stanley spur bit (outside knife cutter / forstner type bit. Then cut to it with a circ. saw. One man rough handling it and no split. The same round inside corner reason you don't file it sharp.
Just curious, didn't learn a damn thing today.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Solid core bifold doors...Let me guess, the washer and dryer are behind those doors?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
no, those are two twin 8' closets in the breezeway
the laundry is in the sewing room / lavette after you come thru the breezewayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi de ho Mike,I have to hang solid core bifolds all the time...that looks like a pocket door track...is it some kind of Johnson stuff? It sure looks like the ticket. I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
i'll grab the instruction sheet with the model numbers on itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
holley... it's a Johnson 100FD series Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks for looking that up, Mike...I'm going to be pushing them. I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
the Owner had some old friends comming for the weekend, so we wanted working toilets, Hot & Cold running water , screened porch & electricity... got 'em all
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Mike -
Looking forward to seeing you again at another fest, if not down south someplace.
I'm curious about the seam procedure you use to get the tightest seam possible on long seams (the 25" ones). Do you rout the two sides at the same time, or scribe cut and file, or is there another way? I usually wind up with a file in my hand after they're cut trying to make it "a little tighter" and it works about half the time. I've thought about building a sled and doing it with a router, just never tried.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
don.... i don't think i've done a 25" seam in about 20 years.. no since i found out yu can buy lamiante in 5' x 12' pieces
but i would start with the router both pieces at one pass technique ( after i read up on it again and practised )
or i might beat on roy and get him to try it.. he loves grumbling about the dumb ideas i come up with ...... sometimes he'll even admit that they weren't all dumbMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, you're the only other person I know that coats the cutout. I use caulk smeared all around and with small seams at the sink, have had no blow ups. I think most if not all damage around a sink is from water getting under and soaking the cutout. Another area of water intrusion is the splash/top connection. I bed the splash when used, in a bead of caulk.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Count me amoung that few that coat the sink C/O....either the Cement or anything in the shop that will do..but I started using Particle board, then switched to MDF, then switched to Luaun or mahog.Ply.
I like the idea of Advantech..made a serious note about that.
I am not familiar with the "red" stuff, but if and when I get involved with a Ctop, I may employ it.
Slapped up a post formed top just to have anything that works 2 yrs ago, wife despises granite ( thank gawd)...but the finish top will be wood...someday.
I just got my shot bags, lead shotgun shot, #.12..wrapping the canvas bags in leather, then gonna pound out a sink of copper...this will be fun, I am told.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
" If ya plan to face tomorrow, do it soon"
Duane, I'm thinking he used the redguard for the floor tile only.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Mike Great work and thread. As a thirty year cabinetmaker I put the seams at the sink, silicone the cut outs after p-lam and silicone 3/4" x 4" splash to the counter, not the wall. We make the splashes 4 1/2" then rip them after the p-lam. Prop them from the upper cabs. After the silicone dries, razor cut the excess and it comes off in one or two pieces. When things settle the splash moves with the counter. If a seam is needed, I use one of many sleds made over the years.
Typical sled is 1" MDF about 8"x 36" Route a 1/2" x 1/2" dado at the center.and line the inside edges with a gloss laminate. Butt the two edges over the dado and pony clamp them so one piece over hangs about 1/8" Do a single pass climb cut with a 1/4'' solid carbide flush trim bit. I then back bevel the p-lam slightly for a tight seam and stick the pieces at the same time using 3/8 dowels. Roll one piece well and butt the other piece. Mate the seam for about 3" leaving a dowell about 6" from the seam. Stick the rest of the sheet. Remove the last dowell near the seam and roll out the bubble. It really gets fun when the laminate has a pattern. What up with land dispute?Keep up the great work!Chucklive, work, build, ...better with wood
steve.... thanks
<<<and line the inside edges with a gloss laminate. Butt the two edges over the dado and pony clamp them so one piece over hangs about 1/8" Do a single pass climb cut with a 1/4'' solid carbide flush trim bit. >>>>
i take it the gloss laminate goens on the sled surface to reduce drag ???
and what is a "climb cut " ?
thanks for the methodology Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
climb cutting is basically running the router in the opposite direction that you normally would. It reduces tearout but it does make the router bit try to "climb" or self feed.
Tom
Douglasville, GA
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Mikei take it the gloss laminate goens on the sled surface to reduce drag ???The p-lam goes on the vertical edges of the dados. A climb cut is when the direction of the router bit "pulls" ithe bit to the edge of the dado ( 1/8" side)My first job ,about five years before i went into business in the 70's was as a nail banger for a 60 something carpenter/builder named Waldo Picket. He did all of his layout with a 6' Lufkin X46F folding rule and a Millers Falls framing square. His widow gave me his tools.Every thing fit in a 6-8"(tapered) x 32" x 10" cherry tool box with a closet pole for a handle. A 2-1/2" drawer at the bottem held his 5 1/2 pt rip saw, 8 and 11 pt. crosscut saws and Yankee Drill (Waldo took out the spring return). Waldo stepped off his walls, rafters with the square. Waldo fell sick a few years ago and I visited him. I said " Waldo you are the first of five carpenters I have ever met." Waldo replied. " Son, The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not know."Mike, I pushed the "Georgia Buggy", carried the Hodd, nailed lath until my thumbs turned blue, ...etc. Waldo was like you. A complet turn-key builder.Today's (most) carpenters are simply installers. My brother, who ran our framing division would assign a new hire to layout a set of steps and cut a stringer. Most were gone by morning break. Thank you for your time and effort to this most educational post.
FH should be paying you for each response.Chuck S.
live, work, build, ...better with wood
i got into working full time as a carpenter in '73
i had a wooden toolbox with a 1" galv. pipe handle
and mine had a bit & brace, 16" steel sq. , chisel, block plane,
5 1/2 pt rip, 8 pt. rough & 10 pt finish
and two yankee screw drivers, one small an one regyula.. both had the springs removed
but the master of the game was Frank Medeiros, i was the foreman by virtue of my Heavy & Highway Supt. background
Frank worked 5 days a week, took Saturday off, & sharpened every tool he owned on Sunday to be ready for Monday
the boss was one year older than me.. and just out of the Army.. every Monday we had tool box inspection .. everyone had the basic tools, plus a dust mask & hardhat
stayed with him for two years, we wound up as unequal partners...
when i went into business for myself we got rid of the green hardhats and went ot blue... that lasted about another two years
then it got to be too time consuming policing the hardhats so we dropped it
reminds me to go see how Frank is doing .... thanksMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Don - I've done plenty of formica with full seams.
The largest was 40" x 131' of continuous surface for the front of the betting windows at Belmont racetrack.
Made a 24' work bench to hold the 10' sheets end to end. Clamped them to the bench so they wouldn't shift around. Made a registration mark across the seam to help align them later when gluing up.
Clamped a straightedge near the seam so the 1/4" bit cut both ends at the same time.
They came out near perfect. The only dressing they needed was a stroke or two with a file along the underside of the cut to remove any "burr" that might have hung on.
Buic
Funny you mention Belmont. My dad worked subcontracted finishing basements for a bunch of years from a company right there - was it Hempstead Tpke?
I don't know why I had visions of a sled with the router locked on both sides. Maybe because it's easy to slip? Your way sounds pretty good, and easy enough. I'm going to be doing a countertop upstairs here pretty soon. Was thinking about trying some marble or granite tile with the real tight joints, but mica is just so nice and clean. I do need a new bit. The last one I bought brand new and I had to return it . When I routed the top, it kept cutting into the face of the piece beneath, like the bearing was just a little too small.
Thanks for the idea. BTW, did we meet at the Fest? If not, why not?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Hempstead turnpike runs from the Queens / Nassau border (where Belmont is), east to the border of Suffolk county.
A sled would hold the router more captive, but I never had a problem with a straightedge and a steady, evenly paced cut.
Try the double cut in some scrap, I think you'll like it.
As for the fest, no I wasn't there. Knee surgery kept me home. And I live 40 minutes from Andy! Blew that one big time!
Buic
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I've been following this since the beginning. The house looks great.Quick question; Why do you put the laminate seam at the sink cutout instead of to one side or the other? I see the seam in a long plastic laminate countertop centered on the sink cutout all of the time on our commercial projects. In my experience, the seam is never tight enough so water gets in and starts to damage the substrate. Just wondering if you have this same problem.
boiler, thanks...
as for the seam : i've never had any problem witha tight joint in the middle of the sink
and in that location it only takes (2) 2" joints
if you go one side or the other , you need a 25" jointMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Regarding the seam near the sink...Is there something we maybe didn't have done to seal it from having the water penetrate and swell the joint? (some kind of seam sealer or caulk?)When we had our install done about 12 years ago I had the same concern about having a seam right at the sink because of the water. Our installer said the same thing about a 2" seam being better than a 25" seam. It looked good for about 1-1/2 years and then the swelling started. The other 25" seam that we do have because of the "L" shape and size of the counter looks fine. I thought we were being fairly careful about wiping up splashed water around the sink, but maybe not.I guess its personal preference, but I notice this 2" seam a lot more than the 25" seam by the toaster.
Mine is J shaped. And I have two laminate seams. One in the middle of the sink and the other one is back of the dropin range.After 27 years the seams are still as good as new.Note that in mine and Mikes case there are NO SEAMS to expand.The counter tops are solid in that area. Any splices is the substrate are far away.
Hi Bill,
Poor verbage in the description on my part, I believe my scenario is the same as yours and Mikes.....The substrate joint is away from the sink on my counter also.
The laminate seam is at the sink and I believe water getting through this seam caused the substrate to swell.
Is there something I should have had them use to seal the 2" laminate seam at the sink? Or should something have been used on the substrate to keep the water from swelling the substrate if it did penetrate the laminate seam?
The other 25" laminate seam is still looking fine after all these years.Sorry for taking this thread off on a tangent, but it was a scenario that matched a problem I "encountered" on my counter.
It would not hurt to apply somekind of "sealer" the substrate.I don't if that was done in mine or not. But it was make with Western Inductrial PB which I understand has some water resistance compared with "ordinary" PB.IIRC Mike is using Advantech which is water resistant.
Oops, just reread above posts by Mike & others,
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Bill, it looks to me like the seam is fine.The problem appears to be that the edge of the sink has been dented. Look directly toward the faucet. You can see that the bottom edge of the sink has been dented upward. That's quite a gap there, and an obvious way for water to get underneath.
A good heart embiggens even the smallest person.
What you are seeing is the result of the swelling. The sink was dead level with the top of the laminate until the swelling of the substrate. Then the sink was pushed upward probably allowing more water to get under and worsen the issue. I have caulked that gap occasionally over the last 10 years and it's probably time to clean it out and caulk it again.
bp... couple things... first , i never use osb for counters.. it was always plywood , usually 3/4 AC..
but i've also used a lot of 3/4 T&G , plugged & touch sanded
since i started using Advantech for subfloor , i also use it for counters
we don't use redguard .. just the Advantech and two coats of contact cement
i also coat the inside of the sink cutout
so .... first, the substrate can't get wet if the water can't get to it.. usually water gets to it under the sink rim, not thru the formica joint
a lot of problems can be avoided in how you seat & caulk the sink
anyways, one of the advantages of laminating our own counter is avoiding a big joint in the corners... most counters are less that 12' , in which case we would have no joint.. but if we are forced to have a joint , then i want it to be the two (2" ) joints that don't stick out like sore thumbs
bottom line... avoid osb counters & don't let the sink rim leakMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks.No, I don't think they would now. But given the quality of your work... and them seeing it every time they look out the window... I am betting that they wish they could, if they have any work they need or want done.
A good heart embiggens even the smallest person.
here's the vanity Chuck built while i was at TipiFest.. and the sinks installed by Brad on Saturday... the Owner will build the doors & the drawers for this unit
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also on of the three toilets installed.. the Owner got enough tile laid and grouted so
the WC's could be set.. we now have running water
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Randy was there yesterday & today for final grading and spreading the loam we had stockpiled, we moved the PortaJohn, the trailer, & had the dumpster picked up
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here's his little dozer doing the final grade
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the sloped area in front of the porch
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and the long view looking from the paper road to the NE
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Sure glad I didn't mess any of them up during install.
>>"( her initials are the same as mine... M. F. Smith ... cool , huh ? )"<<Looks like Roy already mistook her for you, and is looking to her for instructions.;o)
They got some crazy little women there, and I'm a-gonna get me one.
~Fats Domino
Doesn't a design/build guy like you do his own kitchen design?
My kitchen designer has the same name as me. Same SSN, too. ;-)
If I thought they could a.) get it right, and b.) provide good service, including followup and problem solution, I would use them. But what is available here is woefully inadequate. We are on our own in so many ways.
At the high end here, the GCs all have the kitchen and all other cabinety built from scratch, either on site or in a shop, and they let the interior designers work with the cabinetmakers directly.
i've done a lot of kitchen designs... but what does it amount to ?
they still have to take my design and put it into their computer and then make it specific to the customer's selections
that amounts to a whole extra layer of communication..
you should find a good cabinet supplier you like working with and coordinate your kitchens to their designs OR
their cabinets to your kitchen
three parties are involved no matter how you slice it.. so why do you get in the middle ?
me and MF Smith have a good working relationship and she does a good job.. how am i going to improve on that ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
My way involves two parties, Mike. The fabricator, Sherr's, and the designer, me. Real simple. I get the room geometry figured and measured, or built if we are doing the GC work, get all specs for features, species, details, and appliances, then roll with it.
I communicate directly with Scherr's by emailing completed 3D work, with all details exactly per what Scherr's can do for me, and they do it. Real simple. CAD to CAD to CNC communication.
It has worked for almost $75K in purchase volume done the past 9 months, and we expect to do almost $150K between now and next February.
My earlier comments were to compare what kind of resources you have in your location, and contrast them with those in mine. We have absolutely no one who can provide the service to us that your Ms. Smith does. There are a couple that purport to be that, but they cannot and do not perform.
Mike - what brand / type of composite doors you using? I made a thread a while back asking for advice for replacement doors in my house. Want to update the 60s looking Luan doors into something a little more better. Thinking of using Masonite MDF doors in a flat panel design. Any thoughts?
i'll ask my millwork salesman who mfr's their blanks.. but they private label as Horner Millwork..
these are: solid core, smooth, flat jambs, applied stops, with casing mitered,splined & glued but not applied
on the bifold doors we spec'd the heavy duty hardware and they come thru set-up with one side casing appliedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Tbake:
I just used a bunch of flat panel MDF doors from a company by the name of "Tru-stile". I was pretty happy with them but they are really heavy when compared to a traditional wooden door of the same style & size. I ordered them pre-hung (not pre-cased), but because of their weight I took the time to pull the staples that they use in the corners and to glue & screw the joints.
BILL
after work we were out in the field behind my office checking on the beer plants
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ralph thinks they're ripe ...but they still look like Miller Lite to me
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$1.89- we pay @.10 for 5/4x6 Trex! I'm going to have to look into that.I'm sure the labor is higher, but if you want wood that's a great way to go.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Still with the hand shot...lol
Looking good. I like the Meranti, dunno if it is available down ( or over) here.
You fixin to apply anything on that?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Enjoyning the finite of matter, in an infinite realm of possibilities...
no....... but i might influence the owner to get something on it to reduce the checkingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Where did you get your stainless steel pocket screws?
I've been using stainless pan heads because I can't locate real pocket screws.In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.
they're not pocket screws.. they're deck screws in the pocket bore
i'm pretty sure Kreig sells SS thoughMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product.asp?pid=1025-PM5
Here you go. Also available in a few other sizes.
Thanks.In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.
Lowes also has 2" SS real Kreg brand pocket screws. I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
I got a handful of SS pocket screws in my box of 10 lb of random square drive screws from mcfeely's, so I know they're there somewhere.
See Squash's link.zak
"so it goes"
another good source for screws, SS and galv fasteners:
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com
the hdwd floor sub started yesterday....strip maple pre-finished
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while we were out on the deck with our 5/4 x 6 Meranti
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today was more of the same... just hotter
Pete, ( the Owner ) taking a break from his painting to inspect our deck progress
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while i dug out the footings we buried last week
then set my stringers
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Chuck was trying not to sweat on the new deck... we're using granular I&W strips on top of the joists to help prevent some of the checking and splitting
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and the Maple flooring was almost done on the first floor.. tomorrow the kitchen cabinets get delivered
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here's a neat 5-tap block we use
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Looks good. What is the current target date for completion?
Those 5 prong blocks are handy. I like to use the cord-lock on the power supply. Looks like someone pulled the cord lock off the other end.
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jt8
"You can say any fool thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, `My God, you're RIGHT! I NEVER would've thought of that!' " -- Dave Barry
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yeah.. either the dog ate the cord lock or it broke off
i'm thinking Labor Day.. but they plan on moving in before we're doneMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike!!!Looks like youse cut some of the deck boards too long, eh? :)Must be a Rhode Island thing or sumthing.BTW, tell your flooring contractor "nice job" on the floor.I redid our kitchen & family room last fall with 3.25" red oak strip. ALthought I put down rosin paper first whereas your guy used felt paper.Wonder if there's any difference??
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
Shoot, I thought they were using tarpaper. Thought those right coasters used tarpaper for everything. ;)
jt8
"You can say any fool thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, `My God, you're RIGHT! I NEVER would've thought of that!' " -- Dave Barry
Mike, why did you use granular I&W rather then non-granular on the deck joists?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
granular survives ultra-violet better than non-granular..
the ultraviolet thru the gaps would degrade the membrane fairly fastMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Randy set the pump chamber today.. i was surprised to see it was mfr'd by Little Giant
anyways.. big, bell shaped bottom so all the effluent will collect in the sump/bottom
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poured a concrete donut around the base
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Marco took a fall on his stilts in the basement stair landing.. but he kept working until the boss came to take him to a clinic... hope he's alright...he was in a lot of pain
here's the stair hall
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and the kichen pantry
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the basement stairwell
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the 2d floor hall
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2d floor bath
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that's me plus a foot and minus 30lbs!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
How does Marco get the plaster out of that black sweater he's wearing?
"Would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?" bumper sticker
that's not a sweater ...
that's a cat.
maine coon I think.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
The guy's plastering with no shirt? That's gotta be fun at the end of the day...picking out all the plaster boogers.Ever use bullnose corners? It's about all I spec anymore, though clients/builder can override. Is that an up-charge for you?Shoot, had another question and forgot it.Edit: Roger, we thought the same thing at the same time...ouch.
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I live in the north hills. What part of the city are you from?
sorry this took so long to get back.
I'm off line at home at the moment ... and was on vacation end of Aug.
I live city center on Mt Washington, grew up on the east side of town in Swissvale, and find about 80 - 90% of my work in the North ... Wexford/ Warrendale/ Cranberry Area.
Currently wrapping up a project near the Butler Co. Airport ... and next scheduled job is in Shadyside. Then ... maybe help out a buddy in South Park .... and plans sometime this winter to trim a house in Ohio.
So ... I get around.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
You trying out for the Weather Channel? They all went to hand model school too.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
" I am not an Activist, I am, a Catalyst. I lay around and do nothing, until another ingredient is added"
Mike,I love your post, it's really inspiring and great to see crafstmen at work. What's the dimensions of the trim on the garage door? I'm going to use that same style on my house and really like the proportions you have here.Thanks,Rip
rip.. the garage doors side casing is 5/4 x6 and the head is 5/4 x 8.... the angle on all the head casing i think is 15 deg, but i'll ask roy to make sure.. it might be 10 deg
the windows are all 5/4 x 4 with 5/4 x 6 heads.. the front door is 5/4 x 8 head casing ripped so it would course out with the indows
and the corner boards are a combination of 5/4 x 6 one side and 5/4 x 4 other sideMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
we also had a bath vent and the kitchen fan vent exiting thru this roof..
since the area below is solid dens-pak cellulose, we foamed the duct in place to form a dam
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i shingled the portion above the chimney and finished the ridge vent so we could pull down the upper staging
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just about that time ( end of day ) the North Carolina contingent showed up to start the celebration for the 4th...
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Roy & Chuck were insulating the band joists & the slant ceiling / rafters
i installed a 22" SunTunnel over the stairwell... we used to be distributors for SunTunnel until Velux bought them... they do suit the purpose in a lot of cases...here we didn't want a skylight on the front elevation.. but the stairwell was pretty dark
these are actually easier to install in a remodel .. but the sequence is the same
cut a 22 1/2" hole in the roof
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remove the top half of the roof shingles
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slip the curb/flashing in & replace the shingles
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drop the tube in and install the dome
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Mike, that job sucks.
Look at the poor guy.
I know he's a big target.
But man...........A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
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gee, calvin, tell me what you really mean .. don't beat around the bush
if i wasn't laying brick, i'd armwrastle roy for the cell job.... everyone likes blowing cells !
try it , you'll like it too !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Last time was 83. Didn't like it then and by god I bet that won't change.
Tell Roy we said hey!A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Really enjoy watching the progress and learning from your project. I was wondering how you are doing on the time schedule you planned at the beginning of the project. I know you guys have had a lot of rain recently and wondered if it put you behind quite a bit?
bp... as far as man-hours.. we're close.. but in elapsed time, i think it will go to 8 months instead of the 6 i was figuring onMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, the house is looking great. Whats going on inside? Is there plumbing, electric, or HVAC yet? I know you have the insulation on site, but how long till Drywall?
blueboard is probably two weeks out .. we do all skim-coat here in RI
i figure the guys will start insulating on ThursdayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
i think it will go to 8 months instead of the 6 i was figuring on
Blame it on all the time you spend here posting pictures and answering questions.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
short day yesterday... bookeeper and Golf League..
so.. chimney
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gable on the garage... Roy's got his Rhodefest shirt & Chuck has his RiverFest shirt
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and the detail at the ridge
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Randy got the 6" gutter drain hooked up to the catch basin
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Can't understand codes. Need a 6" pipe for gutter water, and 2" for sewage...seems bass ackwards to me. But I ain't no engineer (and the world's probably a better place for it).
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
The sewer system has a grinder pump and chews up the sh*t and pumps it uphill.But I am surprised that it is that big. I think that mine is only 1 1/4 or 1 1/2".
Will thee be a problem keeping leaves out of the gutter drain line?
And I can't beieve you didn't use a bit of sandpaper to clean the fuzz off the cut edges of the siding at the ridge notch.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
i don't think so.. we'll put a clean out in the end
hey, let's hope they catch that fuzz when they paint Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Randy was over on the back road running the 2" force main sewer..
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about a 100' up the road he ran into some bad conditions... large rocks had been dumped ... aparently to take care of ancient washouts..
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problem is the asphalt was cut for a 4' trench.. but the rocks undermine the asphalt, so the neat line won't be so neat
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Mike -Great thread. I've been looking forward to the mooney wall part.I've been googling around for insulmesh but haven't found the stuff you are using - is that the brand name? Where are you getting this stuff?Also, if you do take any pics while insulating (and I hope you do) can you try and get one with the wall or stud bay half filled? I don't really see how this can be a true denspack since you aren't filling a closed cavity - all the stud bays are connected because of the strapping. Seems like you'd have to keep going back to the same bays and increasing the density of the entire wall slowly instead of just going from one bay to the next.Bob
Mike, who's the dude with guns? and who is the guy who took the picture while looking down the barrel? Will he be at the tipifest?
-Lou
Lou,
Tipi fest is in Long Island this year and what goes on there stays there.(lol) The guy with the guns is Gunner, no idea who took the picture.
Everyone who ends up coming to a fest always tries to come to another one, it's that much fun. Vince Carbone
Vince, Where is it held? Who is there? We talkin strippers or trade show atmosphere?
Let me know ''Pisan'', Lou Carabasi
LMC Cabinetry & Millwork
West Berlin NJ 08091
O.K. You got to stop hijacking one of the top five threads of all time.
What is it? 69237.1 It's our once a year family reunion. Trust me you already know everybody.
This is one of my favorite shots from last year. Me,Snort, MRT and Rez looking at me like. "I'm in the presence of a posting God, this is such an honor." I didn't realize until later that he was staring at the booger in my hair.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon.
john... next couple of days should have some details of the mooney wall.. hope we have better light tomorrow..
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Mike,
is the staple gun for whoever opens up the ceiling in a few years?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
glad you asked, bob ...i put the staple gun there so everyone would know where i was talking bout when i described the band joist area
you get three dog bones for being the first to comment on it
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i also notice that my camera likes detailed objects to focus on.. especially when i'm taking shots of insulmesh
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I was just wondering why you were using a staple gun and a staple hammer both.
The destination is not the point. The completion is not the point. Enjoy today. If you can't enjoy today, then what is the point ?
12th 13th and 14th
Never mind. I just checked. There's no telling when I'm liable to show up.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon.
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gunner.. 1 of us is going to be a week early... or a week late
<<<<<
69237.1
O.K kidz, youz asked fer it so here it am.
The Official Tipi Fest 06 sign up thread.
Lets please try and keep the personal chitter chatter to the other thread, "Can we talk about....". Questions and suggestions are fine here but you all know how conversations between BT'ers aka "hijacking threads" happens a lot, so lets "try" and keep it to that to the other thread.
And the cone shaped award this year goes to, "Tipi Fest 06"
Ok, now let me introduce you to the accts but let me first thank god and my parents and wife and children and my fifth grade teacher and....
So here is, yet another year of frolicking in the sun with new friends and family. Maybe even reunitings like that of Bob Walker and Jeff Buck which is so entertaining. Maybe even a guest celeb here and there like AJ or Luvditchburns or Blue, or Lisa or JenCarr or Theo or or or...
Anyway down to bizniz...
The dates:August 18,19,20 Friday afternoon thru Sunday morning.
The entry fee this year will be: $100 per adult - $25 per kid>>>>>
mebbe andy would like to corroborate this ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Poor seeyou is gonna be so confused when I show up at the door a week early.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon.
Shooot..he'll send ya on MY job. Now THAT could get interesting.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
There is no cure for stupid. R. White.
Whenever you want to start the fest, is good with me.
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Ok Mike, Where is this tipifest thing at (let me guess, MASS). So what does one do at the fest?
-Lou
Sorry to hear about the knee. I've had a few knee problems that involved wearing an immobilizer...makes life more interesting. Guess you'll be able to catch up on your BT. And all the ballparks I've been in were handicap accessible, so in the interests of getting some fresh air (and 'wholesome' food & beverage)... There must be a handicap bus you can get to pick you up.
Hell, when Pro-Dek injured himself, I think he had a life changing epiphany or something. We haven't hardly seen him since. So watch out!
But you really have to work on your fall story. Something along the lines of: "there I was, carrying two bundles of shingles on one arm and the nailgun in the other hand as I climbed the ladder to the 4th story, when all of a sudden..." ;)
Did anyone else notice the:
After the game, joyce dragged me to the ER.
"After the game" :)
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
after the game............
Several years ago I broke my wrist on the job. The tribe was playing Baltimore-4:00 aftn game, bad shadows between the mound and the plate. Game was for the division championship. Well, managed to pickup the tools and headed home. Didn't get the first pitch but was on the couch sometime in the 2nd inning. Figured I'd call the physician and tell him my plight (not sure of a break-nothing sticking out). He says, "we're here till 7, why don't you come in?". I answer that maybe I could just ice it, get xrays in the a.m.-couldn't cast it now anyhow.
Tribe won, we went to the playoffs. Sorry for the diversion Mike, but I'm sortof in an adverse condition.
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
The place is shaping up nicely. tomorrow, I'm going to bring my helper over and let him look at the posts for a bit. I already know he's going to be amazed when he sees the scaffold you put together. You put more work into the scaffold than most of the locals masons put into the job.
BTW, is there a reason that you are doing the brick and block yourself? Just pleasure and fun; don't want to lose the knack; or something else?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
don.. it's been 20 years.. and i forgot how much work brick & block is
anyways.. i would gladly have let my mason build this one.. but he lost his leg to a bloodclot..... so , he's not climbing any ladders on this job
i got a nice young man to come over and talk to me about finishing the chimney so i could move on to other pressing work.. he's a union mason.. we were all set to do the deal when i asked him about insurance..
nope.. oh, and he wanted cash too.. anyways looks like i'm the designated brickieMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike
This whole project is what my Dad would have said "is over engineered to perfection", a sincere compliment. Your attention to details and making a high quality long lasting home is something I have never seen before.
I do no recall, did you block out for the electric meter box like you did for the outside lights and outlets?
If you had above head electric service entrance, would you have blocked out for the service pipe as well, or clamped thru the siding?
How long do you figure until this house will need repainting?
Hope you're having a restful long weekend.
Phil
phil.... we blocked out for the underground service box..
this being a cape.. if we had overhead service, there would probably be a clamp on the rake board and the cables would follow the rake down to a vertical point above the service
i'd GUESS this paint will look good for 12 years.. maybe longerMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's a pic of the utility service entrance... i'll get some better ones later
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that area that Roy & Chuck are working is pretty tight.. and a lot going on
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here's where the roof fascia intersects the window casing
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and a shot of the box cornice
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Hardie wants us to keep the siding 2" above the roofing.. i'll compromise at 1.5" still showing more flashing than i want .. so we painted the tops of the steps to match the siding
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"i'll compromise"
A man after my heart!
Keep the pics coming, I'm enjoying the show.
blue
Mike,
I'm not trying to be an armchair quarterback but do you anticipate any problems with the run-off from the roof at the window casing?
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Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Jon, I'm not adverse to being a nitpicker or an "armchair qb" and that situation freaked me out too.
I figure with enough goop, Mike will be able to get through to retirement.
blue
I am sure they will install some kick out flashing there.
I'm not so sure. The flashing detail looks done to me.
It doesn't look like a real serious issue, but it's one I'd rather not have.
blue
jon.... they did put a kick-flash in... here's another pic...
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i'll have to trust that they did a good enough job to keep the water out .. and i think they did.. this is a multi-layer intersection.. grace/ trim... grace/stepflash....
grace/kick-flash... hardie/shingles
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here's the garage gable..
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and the boxed cornice at the garage
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Looks like it should be okay.You need to find the posts by Gene Davis where he's calling you for installing multiple layers of Grace- tell him this is the reason right here.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Mike:
Have you ever used "zip strips (?)" instead of the saw-cuts?
BILL
PS: Great thread! I make a point of reading the latest almost every night after dinner, thanks!
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yes... i still have some left over from a job in 1985..
trouble is , they cost more to have the cement finishers install them, then you have to zip them
the ones we installed in '85 have never been zipped to this dateMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
we took the tent off the garage and rigged a bimini cover to work the stoop
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ready to set the first stone.. decided on a quarter bubble of pitch
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set ...
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and a view from the side
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after they level with the jitterbug, they bullfloat it to bring the cream up
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and we also poured the HVAC pad in the rear.. with it's own tent
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the finish looks good on the garage.. and the apron will be fine if our tent keeps the drips off
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here's the HVAC pad
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no... just lay & level...
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Those roof jacks are gonna rust away before you get the roof on. I keep waiting for the part of this project that interests me the most.
Its never too late to be up to date.
http://grantlogan.net/
Now that you pointed those diamonds out, I notice them all over the place. Just something I'd never paid attention to I guess.
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jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
after lunch the guys went back to siding.. and i went back to the bricks on the front stoop
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Mike,
Back a week or so you had a pic of the Malco FC shears, thumbs up or Down? We should be doing a Hardi job late summer & would like to know if its money well spent?
Anybody been Flounder fishing of the late?
the Malco's are great.... i was surprised... we retired the Makita FC saw
i'll ask Roy about the flounderMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike - putting a baby AND a new truck in your pictures, why that's just plain pandering to the forum!!!
PS - both look great!
Buic
Nice t-shirt on that roof framer, Mike!
Hey, those concrete anchors you attached your ledger with. It makes me think that deck framing is maybe lower than the house floor framing. Is that the case? Or (I don't remember) did you maybe hang your floor joists inside the foundation walls instead of sit on top of them?Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
http://www.asmallwoodworkingcompany.com
jim, the screened porch is 6" below finish floor & the deck is 6" below that.. so the top of the 2x10 deck joists are just about even with the top of our double sill
we lagged into the double sill but i also wanted to support the bottom of the ledger too... so we used the 1/2 x 5 Simpson bolts... really impressed with themMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike, How do I put my pictures on, They come up large when I download to this site. Is there a setting on the camera? and what should that be?
Thanx, Lou
I grab the photos with a program that allows me to adjust the size and resolution -
If you don't have a image program, try right clicking on the picture and see if you have a resize option -
"there's enough for everyone"
lou.. i have a Nikon Cool Pix 995
i have my "image quality " set at "basic" which is apx. 1/16 compression ratio as opposed to the highest setting... the file format is ".jpeg"
i have my "image size " set to "VGA", which is 640 x 480
i can print these on my large format printer ( HP 500 ) to about 5 x7 or 8x10 with very pleasing results.. i often do presentations in my remodeling proposals with these same settings
before i made these settings on my camera , i used to resize a lot with either IrfanView
or my picture software" ThumbsPlus 4"
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Picasa will resize them pretty easily. When you open the picture, hit control + shift +s. The resize toolbox will appear. Slide the slider to the smaller pixels and you simply browse to store the new pic whereever you want.
Picasa is a free Google tool.
blue
man yer a crank old man ...
though I've said that before ...
again ...
and again.
Dustins link looks like they do nothing but lose money.
I'm thinking like Pif ... they ain't gonna start losing money ...
then again ... I been out all nite listening to music and drinking the occasional beer ...
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
instead of partying with your hooligan friends, you should drive up and play brickie with me
while the guys were busy otherwise, i started the base of the 2-flue chimney
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my trusty assistant is my new (used ) 3.5 cf. mortar/concrete mixer i won on E-bay
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later i cut out one of the flues for the thimble insert
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then i went back to the mason supply for some more block & to hand pick the treads for the front steps
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Chuck & Mike finished the screen porch roof sheathing.. here's the x-brace they installed yesterday before they started with the sheathing
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and papered- in
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then they moved on to window trim
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I should come play brickie ...
talked to my buddy DanteO today ... seems he ws quoted $4,300 first ... then the guy lowered it to $3,600 ... under the table ... to block/brick in an 8x8 garage door opening! Thot it'd take him and a helper maybe 2 days ... and that's just for labor.
Hell ... I'll be a brick helper all day long at an easy thou under the table!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
wanna rent my mixer ?
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at $5K a week as a helper ...
I'm gonna buy all new!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Hi Mike
I'm curious, what are those black "patches" for that are around the window on the Grace Water Shield? They look like they are the same material (Grace WS). Are they acting as shims because of the window nailing flange?
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phil... exactly.. i told Roy to use some granular ice & water for shims.. works great !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy was finishing the blocking on the deck....
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then padding out the two pocket doors
we used the standard Johnson lit and padded the studs with 1/2" ply on both sides to give it more rigidity and keep the sheetrock screws farther away from the doors
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this cut-out is so we can access the bumper
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I'll bet the abuttheads are getting more and more angry every day.Seeing as their anger is getting the added fuel of envy. What you are doing puts their houses to shame...
We spend zillions on smart bombs.....how about spending zillions on creating smart kids?
~jjwalters
Hey, ya know they sell blade gaurds and side handles for those grinders these days!
Sorry, pet peeve from my days of using grinders 10-12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Way too easy for forgetful folk like me to grind off a knuckle, bend a diamond blade when I set the grinder down, or gouge whatever surface I happen to set the grinder on.
The work looks great Mike, it's good of you to give us this step-by-step on it.
Thanks,
zak
Mike - I have the utmost respect for you and your work, but I'm also going to challenge you for using that grinder without a guard. I couldn't find my OSHA and ANSI stuff on grinders too quick, but it's a violation to use that tool without a guard in that situation. If the wheel shatters or a piece of debris comes up, it's traveling mighty fast. If it catches anybody in the face, it's going to do some damage. The best analogy I heard from an engineer was that it was like getting hit by a locomotive. One of my clients had it happen. 300 stitches to sew some of his face back together and he was lucky - missed his eyes and the major blood vessels. There is no face shield or goggles that can protect you. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, and I know you are very safely concious, but lots of people take these things for granted and there are hundreds of accidents every year.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
here's some of the details on the siding
15 deg. flare head casing with painted coil stock drip cap
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the Trex sill with a rabbet to receive the siding
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and the finished window
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and the end of the day, the guys have pretty much got it figured out now. i think it's been about two years since our last Fiber Cement job, so should be smooth sailing
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This is a great thread. Watched it from the beginning.
What kind of caulk do you use on your Hardi?
Falsh behind each siding joint?
Thanks!
Hey Mike
Lookin Good as usual. I don't know if I missed it earlier... what kind/brand of caulk are you using around the window trim and also on the siding butt joints? Will the siding be painted over the factory color or is just the trim being painted?
Phil
Will all the head casings die on a full course of siding? No fiddling with the reveal to MAKE it work, or was that one just shid luck? (G)
Shooting from the hip that would work if all the windows are 6" increments, just notch out at the sill and get the starter at the right place.
Cool.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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monday was a rainy day
we set staging, worked on the ductwork for the bath fans & dryer vent, partitions in the basement
here's the caulk we're using for this job... Dap Dynaflex 230, a 50 year caulk
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and some of the ductwork for the 3 bath fan/lights
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and the dryer vent..
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all 4 of these will be vented thru the roof with roof jacks
and the pipe staging for the chimney
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Why didn't you use one of those dryer vent boxes that's recessed in the wall like the washing machine connection?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Mike, re bathroom vent fans, we only use the Panasonics, the super quiet ones. What do you use?
we checked the spacing.. if we used a 5/4 x4 head casing , it wouldn't work
with the 5/4 x 6 head casing it came out to 60" ( or 10 even courses ) so that's what we did.. we'll fudge the lower courses to hit the sill
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don... thanks for the push..
i was using it without the guard because it's a 4 1/2" grinder and i wanted to use a 5" diamond wheel ..
anyways... i bought a 6 " grinder and it's twice as fast and gives me the depth of cut i really need
here's the new Metabo ( with guard )
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yesterday was a little zooey.. truck move up day !
the '91 ( with 271 K on it ) is trying to move to NC for my SIL
so Roy moves up to the '03 ( he's grinnin ) and i get a new '06
picked it up Tuesday nite.. and my sign guy was here bright and early , on the job , to but the logo on
here's the '91 .. and the fleet..
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and the new pimp ride...
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the racks and box are comming in next week ( ??? )
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the guys were siding the back , Roy was Narragansett at that insurance job
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the new truck is really beefy .. took a yard of sand with no complaint.. my '03 used to bottom out with half a yard
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and i continued on with the brick.. finally finished UNDER the deck.. nothing but kneeling and bumping my head
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That truck must of been a real wimp.I carry 1/2 yard of gravel and rock in my Ranger without any complaint.And a yard of dirt. Usuualy go to a place with a bobcat and 1/2 yard buckets.Did get some dirt from some one that had a big loader with a yard bucket.And it was FULL. Must of ended up with better than 1 1/4. It was OK. The tires where only flat on the BOTTOM.
Ahh HAh..I knew you had disposable income factored in this job.
I pulled that card on a remodel in PA, scared the helloutta the customer.
Rock on brother Mike, Rock on.
Be not saying ya need a GMC or anything like that..but.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Damm, I miss that stuff
so, how about it .. did i pimp my ride ?
8' bed, XLT, 4x2, & ........ red..
red is hard to find !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Red gets in the higher realm of accidents by insurance industry standards..cuz it is the most popular color= more vechicles on the road.
I'll keep whining, I am jealouse.
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Damm, I miss that stuff
some more of the work in the back... put in the vinyl soffit before they leap-frogged the staging over the pent roof to the 2d floor
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this is the Alcoa Pro-bead .. this section is the un-vented .. the ends have about 3 bays vented
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and the cornice return
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i had a question on the flue / thimble pentration that i wanted the Building Inspector to look at..
so i moved over to the front stoop and laid block for the shell...
this will be a 4x8 landing with ( 2) 12" treads... so 4 risers from the ground to the first floor
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I admire your ability with masonary. I have none!
Really have enjoyed and look forward to the whole thread.
I have learned a lot about business from you but the recruiting that early is a completely new thought.
Nice fleet, nice logo, nice color, wrong brand. DanT
I admire your ability with masonary. I have none!
Me too.Doncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Nice fleet, nice logo, nice color, wrong brand.
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dan... i was just looking at my DMS, Inc. tee shirt
we gotta work on your logo... as far as i know.. you ain't got one (?????)
do you ?
c'mon, marketing man.... don't make me come over there Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
No I don't. The only thing that stays consistant is the green script writing of Dan's Maintenance Service Inc. I thought later of the logo idea but by that time had so much stuff already done I didn't want to pay to have it changed. I suppose I could do it a little at a time. Who did your logo? I mean it is far too nice to believe you came up with that. I know diesel didn't do his. So is there a web site or something? DanT
(Don't tell me you chucked the tee because the damn thing didn't have a logo!)
no... i didn't chuck the tee.. but i will sew one of my patches on before i award it to the employee of the week
my logo was designed by a sign painter with some input by me.. the emphasis is on sign PAINTER.. i think he had a little more training and background thatn the newer breed of vinyl letter CAD cut out guys
if you look around , i'm sure you'll find a sign painter who knows all about this stuff and he probably won't be a web designer..
look for someone with a name like
"Signs by Goff"... and you'll know he's the right guy when you start talking to him.. he'll have a portfolio that will definitely catch your eyeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, do you sew those patches on while listening to the game? You're one heck of a seamstress.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Mike, I like the truck(s). Actually, had to chuckle when I saw the 4x2. Here in the suburbs, I see so many guys that want that 4 wheel drive and wouldn't know how to drive in 4 wheel conditions if their life depended on it. Kind of like the people that have to have Hummers...
Pimp it? Not you. Not even a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the mirrors. <G>
I hope you enjoy the ride for many years. Can I send you some change through pay pal to go under the seats?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
I'm still obsessing about the Mooney wall blocking. For a general wall:
1.one course at baseboard level (or two strips if tall baseboard?)
2. one at outlet/recepticle level,
3. one at crown molding level
and then @16" in between?
And with 8' ceilings, is there any disadvantage of using the 4' mesh and just making sure there is a mid-wall blocking where the two 4' rows meet (the two 4' sections meet over a strip of blocking and are glued to it).
jt8
"The difference between greatness and mediocrity is often how an individual views a mistake..."-- Nelson Boswell
as long as your plan will give you strategic locations for blocking and assist the gypsum hangers, it will work fine
i think we're about two weeks away from insulatingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
This gonna be Azek'd on the other three sides of the windows?
If so, and you seem to be into sloped surfaces, a good thing on exterior trim, will you detail the tops of the trim with the Azek 1-5/8" drip cap, sort of a nice little cornice for the heads?
With wood trim over flangemount windows, we typically chop a 3/16 x 1-1/4 rebate out of the underside, so the trim won't rock on the flanges. What do you do with Azek?
Azek corner boards?
Azek water table done with a big wide 5/4 and the drip cap?
The reason I'm asking, is because on the remodel addition we'll do next, we've specified all prime wood on the outside, with the owner doing the painting, but now they want a quote for the job done in FC claps and Azek. Lotta southwest exposure.
Mike, re the trex sill profile, I understand the kerf cut for drip, but what's the rebate for on the edge that meets the building?
Bet you a nickle it's for the top edge of a piece of siding to slide under.Tipi, Tipi, Tipi!
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You are right. I can see that now. I got misoriented with Mike holding the piece upside down.
How are you combating the mold issues with trex?
What mold issues do you expect?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Valid q. I ain't had a moldy windowsill problem for a while.
Maybe there is something we'll learn here. Mike may need to rethink his whole exterior finish strategy. Mold on the HardiBoard? Maybe. How 'bout the Azek? Who knows? The Trex sills? We have it on good authority.
Might just have to do the whole thing in brick and stone!
Wait a minute! What's this I see? Look at the windowsill.
Dreaded mold!
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You talking about the gable sill? That looks like birdsht on the sill.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
as far as i know trex is a mold haven.
http://www.trex.com/universal/technical_info/tech_mildew.asp
http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infpressrelease/inftrexlawsuit.shtm
http://www.bobvila.com/wwwboard/messages/139830.html
maybe this is a dead issue now...i am not sure. If it is still an issue I am curious to know what measures are being taken to address the issue...maybe Killz. Just curious...why not PVC?
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the only Azek type material will be the door casings, the Therma Tru were ordered with the jamb-savers and the poly 5/4 x 4 flat casings..
and no, Trex is not a mold problem , anymore than any horizontal surface is in coastal NE..
if you worry about mold, you treat the surface in your prep, then use an anti-funcicide in the paint..
but i don't worry about mold and Trex..
all of our exterior trim is Miratec : fascia, rake, casings and corner boards.. it would have been GP PrimeTrim, but our lumberyard switched to Miratec.. which looks to be a tad superior to the GPPT
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My post in response to the mold-on-Trex fairy was to chide him for his silly remarks. Hell, mold'll grow on vinyl siding.
His remark was a red herring, for sure.
Tell me more about the Miratec and Primeloc trim board products, which, BTW, absolutely none of the five different lumberyards that come into Lake Placid stock.
How do they differ from the cellular PVC products like Kleer and Azek? What exactly are their makeups?
How about difference in price? Let's look at the /lf price of 5/4 x 4. I have Azek and Kleer in a dead heat here at $1.61/lf. That compares to a primed fingerjointed white pine board that some will use outside, which costs $1.11.
no PrimeLoc.. our old choice was GP PrimeTrim.. now using Miratec
basically an exterior MDF ..
google on them .. here's CMI's Miratec
http://www.cmicompany.com/pageBuild.asp?PageID=A_product_m&UserID=
they cost less than wood, lot's less than plastic..
any dimension , 16' lengths , two thicknesses.. love paint more than wood does..
more decay resistant than redwood or cedar.. smooth face and the back side is woodgrained ( which i could do without )
we've used GPPT since '95 .. still looks great, no rot , still holding original paint
all this in coastal NE.. a good testing ground for weathering productsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
MCF,Your comments really bother me because I hear this line every so often. It bothers me because we like using Trex but I would stop in a heart beat if there was a significant risk in using Trex, and would consider stopping if the general public felt that Trex is susceptible to mold, even if that belief was unfounded.Like you, I've searched the web and found comments made by others, I'm looking for some real first-hand experiences. Like Mike says, Trex will react no differently to the weather and the millions of organisms that are waiting to find a home. I wonder if people are too taken by the concept of "maintenance-free" and really expect that they should never have to touch their deck, even if it gets dirty? Or does this product truly have some qualities that are faulty?Mike, I hope I'm not hijacking your thread by making this post. If you want me out just say so and I'll start a new thread.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
no.. i don't like this knee-jerk mold crap either..
trex is cellulose & plastic... it is no more conducive to mold than any other cellulose based product... like , oh, say ...wood ..
mold spores are airborn.. any surface can come in contact with them.. to grow they need light , air & moisture..
mold doesn't need Trex to growMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'll have you know Mike you caused me to not sleep last night due to not getting my "fix of pics"!...
...but for that cute little guy...I'll let it slide...:)knowledge without experience is just information.... Mark Twain
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well, it was one busy day.. and i personally accomplished nothing , nada, zilch..
today we dug the water line.. the water company has been out at least 4 times and all agreed the 8" main is in the 40' paper road..
well , randy started digging about 9:30 .. about 11:30 mrs. adverse came home and came out yelling for us to get off her land.. but we ignored her..
so she calls mr. adverse and he comes home and parks at the end of our trench.. right at the edge of his property line..
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here they are.. right before the police arrived to answer their complaint.. the police politely listended to them, wrote down all our names .. and then left
well , Helen had the day off , so she brought our newest associate out on the job to entertain the troops.... here's Helen, Marianne, Phalen & Dave
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anyways.. we dug , and scratched.. and three different guys used 3 sets of witches... all agreed the line was right there.. but we never found it
we dug another hole near the main in the street and taped it off for the night so we can look again tomorrow..
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at the end of the day.. mr. adverse was still parked in front of our abandoned trench.. plotting how to disrupt us tomorrow
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Mike
Watcha gonna do if Mr. Adverse steps out of his van and falls donw in your hole!
I say fill it in quick but its your call.
Also, will you supply pictures of you's guys if'n the police does haul you away!
Doug
"Watcha gonna do if Mr. Adverse steps out of his van and falls donw in your hole!I say fill it in quick but its your call."TRue, but TIMING is EVERYTHING.The appropriate time is while he is still in the hole.
The appropriate time is while he is still in the hole.
Bill, I thought that was a given!
randy has a lot of equipment.. but digging for an 8" transite pipe , and trying to make sure you don't break it, involves a lot of this
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the guys were busy with the partitions trying to get ahead of the plumber starting his rough
here's one of the kneewalls
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and a shower partition.. notice the mesh behind the shower so we can insulate the exterior wall it's going against
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here's the stringers i cut yesterday.. i used the cutouts to make up a nailed and glued middle stringer, but didn't get a chance to touch them today........
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didn't dare leave the water trench with mr. and mrs. adverse so busy man , what children .. and she is more off the wall than he is
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This is why we crave this serial bldg story.
Never a dull moment on this one Mike.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
they are pretty amusing..until you figger it's been about 4 years and lot's of money defending his land titleMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
mike, this is past amusing. This is a serious story that for the grace of god many of us don't have to live. But its pretty much the whole story, not just a pictorial of work done. I for one, look forward to each days activity.
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
here's Tuesday's child..
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Wow. I hate when the cops show up, LOL.
I have to say, after touring the Jamestown area this past weekend, that it is a great spot, and this house has a water view. Too bad the other view includes Mr and Mrs Richard Adverse!
Hang in there Mike! Great looking family!Jake Gulick
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Mike,
What kind of Backhoe is that? I can see that it's a John Deere, but is it the 110? We are looking for one about that size and that model keeps coming up in the research.
i think it's a 310... here.. does this answer your question ?
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Mike, you need to remember to pull the zoom all the way back on those end of day picts -
I like the shower stall - identical to ours -
keep up the good work -
"there's enough for everyone"
Mike,Not to be picky but...Does Randy need a trench box?Also, would it be more cost effective to buy another 2x12 stringer? Or am I misunderstanding the middle stringer?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
no.. not in that soil and that depth.....very stable soils.. more like digging rotten concreteMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's the roof..
we used the same platform from the main roof and our ladder-vator to get it all up there
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tomorrow we'll paper in and take care of some odd-jobs back in Jamestown
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Monday...
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"raising the south gable" ... should you have sheatherd the wall before it was butted against the house roof?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Like to see the plumbing on this.I figured there would be piping for each zone from the boiler and return. Some of the returns might be combined.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
framed the north gable this morning.... including the ladder ( rake trim ) and the window...
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and touch up the primer on the shadow board
then stood it up with our Proctor Wall-jacks ( bought them from someone on BT about two years ago )
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and it's up !...
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inside....
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and ready for tomorrow..
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Mike, keep em comin, but can I ask you a question?Is there a reason you don't put your soffit on also,before you raise the gables?
no, no reason.. just the old problem of trying to get the roof onMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
a little more change than yesterday..
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then stood it up with our Proctor Wall-jacks ( bought them from someone on BT about two years ago )
Did you get those from Keith C.? How's he been, has anyone heard from him?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
i think so... but not another word from him sinceMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
by that time it was raining, so we took out the temporary staging and set the lally columns in the garage
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one is centered between the two 9' doors and the other is on the side of the stairwell to the 2d floor of the garage
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after lunch we started cutting rafters and doing layout
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and at the end of the day it really didn't look a lot different than the beginning
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Mike, what is that hole near the edge for?
blue
jim... that's part of the stairwell that just hasn't been cut out... so we'd have more working room and last fall hazards
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here's the underview
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That wider trimmer jack sounds good to me.The slider - I guess I'd have to see both and grill the rep before putting my name on it
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Looks like you are doing a nice job there.
I have the same neighbors. The day I started to cut in my driveway, they tried to take adverse possession to my land.
At least the police will come out to your site and tell them to move their cars. The police in our town won't respond to property line disputes. We had to subdivide the land we purchased first. We have accurate surveys, a warranty deed, subdivision approvals any whatever we need to prove where the boundries are. This neighbor still refuses to believe where his property lines are. This has been ongoing for six years now.
DW still won't let me build a catapult to take care of the problem.
Just for the record...you can confirm this with my frappr entry...I don't live anywhere near this neighborhood.
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Jeff, love your idea about selling third story additions! I can see you trying to do that.
"Jeff, love your idea about selling third story additions! I can see you trying to do that."
Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that too. Incorrigible that guy.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
And then he'd sell a cupola to the original client!
Might invite them both to lunch just to watch them argue over who paid the tab.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
duh?
I guess if you acknowledge how stupid the average person is, it doesn't take much more common sense to figure out that at least half the folks is dumber than that.
Eric
this is more like it.... 8 deg. at 7am, 18 deg. by 9am, 20 at noon... and a gloves off 30 deg. by 3:30
anyways.... started framing the walls... roy built the box headers we like for teh smaller rough openings..
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and we stood up the north and south walls... there's a lot of plywood missing because we have to tie from the sill to at least 16" up the stud
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for tilt up we like to make a strap out of the strapping material they use to band the lumber.. here's one close up... this will keep the wall on the snapped line and prevent it from jumping off the deck
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you can see one of the straps under the shoe just below the adjustable brace
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And here I thought toe-nailing the bottom plate along the chalkline was a good idea- the framing crew I was on never even did that- they just nailed some 2x4 scrap to the rim and hoped for the best. Those straps of yours are a very good idea. Where the heck was this thread when I was pushing up my walls?
Good to see you leaving room on the bottom of the wall to lap a course of sheating over the rim/stringer and sill. That makes for a much stronger house- one of the many useful things I learned here. When I did mine, I measured and overhung my first course of sheathing, but I had a bit of trouble in a few places where the #@(&( foam sill gasket stuck out a little too far and crumpled up when I tilted up the wall, leaving a bulge in the sheathing. Your method permits you to correct that before the wall goes up.
Keep these pics coming Mike- absolutely worth a thousand words each! And good on ye for the patience you're displaying with those Abuttheads. My neighbours are fantastic and I thank my lucky stars that there's nobody in my neighbourhood who behaves like these people.
Hey Mike - those box headers, do you insulate them before skinning the second side?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
no, jim, we'll bore a hole in each chamber and blow them when we do our dens-pak cellsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
which walls were U standing when U got the call that the Pat's lost?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
north wall, when some bozo called and started gloating..
who wood due such a thing ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
5 pics
jt8
"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." -- Herbert Spencer
u prick! let us know when you're gonna do that!!
Clicked on the icon 3 times; it started to load then quit.
I went to the next several post and all of a sudden.......WTF is this?
That was cool. I haven't read through the rest of the posts yet, but I want to know how you did that.
Nice. You may have missed your true calling.
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I've got the same problem when I'm viewing from home, which is why I usually do a shift-click to pop larger pics/files open in their own window. They can go ahead and load while I read the message in the original window.
I liked the 3 picture one better, it was more fun to do. Macromedia Flash is the program I used.
Now if we can just get Mike to stand in the same dang spot when he takes his pic. Needs to hammer a stake in or something. :)jt8
"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." -- Herbert Spencer
Now if we can just get Mike to stand in the same dang spot when he takes his pic. Needs to hammer a stake in or something. :)
Ok, now I get it. Many years ago when a couple of us were fooling around with SLR's, one of us took a class to actually learn how to use the things.
He set up the camera on a tripod on a cloudless full moon night. By setting up the camera in the right spot and timing the exposures, he was able to get the moon in full sphere arcing across the shot. Cool.
We had him shoot us with our arms in various positions, then doing a headstand in the same spot. That was interesting.
Nice work,
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Yeah, that's the effect you could get if he had the camera mounted on a pole or something. Where the angle was exactly the same. You could loop them together to make it look like the house was building itself.
But as they are now, you can tell they are separate photos. But that is a minor point. The main point is that it is neat to see the progress that is being made. They get more done in a day than I do in a week.
jt8
"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." -- Herbert Spencer
OK, let's all chip in and buy Mike a webcam for OTJ. His customers can look over his shoulder, we can too, aand he would not have to keep slowing the job down while he wanders around muttering, 'Helen, where did I put that camera this time?..."
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didn't bother going over the bridge today... forecast was for rain & 50 knot winds..
we called one of our customers who had some indoor work
here's what it looked like from East Ferry, Jamestown..
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Ferry here only ran first thing this AM.
DD on mainland said soime surf crests were splashing across top of the Lobster Pound restaurant over there. I believe it. I drove down to the post office and coming back where our seawall is at the narrows, the crests were slinging water across the road ten feet high. If not for the granite seawall berm, the road would have beeen impassable totally.we had measured gusts between 58 and 70 todaytrees down hither and yon, power comes and goes.
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Well, no seawalls or bridges to speak of here but; rip roaring winds as well, my nice new truck got thwacked by a broken, rusted piece of one of them confoundit antique satellite dishes.
Seems it couldn't hold up to the wind no more. I'm pizzed..........
http://www.mikeswebcam.com.
Sounds like a great idea. I'm in.
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uhhhhhhhh, nice talking to you?[email protected]
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Excuse me eric, I used the link to mikes "webcam" in your post. Copied the first google link that came up and posted it in the message. It must have been active and the cleanup crew ...........cleaned up. Boy, could have gotten an inadvertant foul ball there.
Hope the deleted msg doesn't haunt you. I've got one that's been coming up for quite a while.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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used the link to mikes "webcam" in your post. Copied the first google link that came up and posted it in the message.
Well now, we're just gonna all go have to see what Mikey is up to then hehe!
Clean up crew say..................Striiiiiiike!!
I think I got one (strike) a week or so ago, not that they're letting anyone know about. Don't loose any sleep over it Calvin.
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What? lose sleep?
Me? former fest holder, long time respected member and user of the xxxx marks for effect? Guy that has/had dirt on some taunton higher ups (yes in film and file) ? Political thread avoider? Lose sleep?
I don't think so..............
Just like to retain the good guy image it's taken so long to acquire. No hiney smooching tho, that's out of the question.
Besides, I wanna keep my on base percentage up there.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Before I could head out this AM to my PT apt. I had to gather the trash cans from all over the yard, and then walk the road to throw tree tops off into the woods!
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no damage from the wind here... we built the two flush beams, one LVL & one 2x12,
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then we staged the front & back, figuring we can frame the 2d floor & the roof from the same staging
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the house is 44' , so we can stage the whole thing with 2 pics & 3 poles
here's the front
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and the rear
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while the guys were setting staging , i finished framing the walk-out bay
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john... i really do shoot from exactly the same location ( there is a PK nail in the road )
but the reference aiming point is what i haven't exactly figured yet.... i'm trying to envision how it will frame the picture when the garage & the roof are done
anyways... here's today's shotMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Looking good! One question, Did you use TJI on the main floor & 2by 10 for the 2nd floor system? Just wondering why not TJIs for the whole house?
glen... AJS20 's ( I-joists ) @ 19.2" OC for the first floor, 2x12"s @ 16" OC for the 2d... there didn't seem to be any labor savings on the 2d floor , since most of it had flush beams so we couldn't use single piece joists anyways
the material cost saving was substantial on just the 2d floor....Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
glen.... i tried to email you thru the site...but it bounced..
do you want Outback ( it's also good at about 6 other chains ) ?
and congrats to your Bronco's .... againMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
My ISP went Bellyup, so I was moved to [email protected] for home, wish I knew how to change it for Taunton.
Were hitting the Hills @ O-darkthrity in the am, for 3days at Vail & Beaver Creek. Going to have to listen to the BIG GAME on the headset ,but thats OK the Mountains are getting hammered with Snow as we speak.
Game on the Outback, if thing don't go as planned this weekend it might just revert back to PA.
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Game on the Outback, if thing don't go as planned this weekend it might just revert back to PA.
That's right. Put some shrimp on the barbie.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
#*"#&#* Broncos, for one week he was King of the Town, Now its back to Jake the Mistake!
Congrats to the Steelers, Clearly the Better Team !
At least the Snow was Grand this weekend!
You may have lost the bet, but you had lots more fun doing it.
Total days skiing= 0
The weather has sucked here. It's been 40+, and/or raining most of the time.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
Nice thread , thanks.
Tim
What do you call that staging and how much does it cost? Looks slick, only masonry buildings use stuff like that around here.
that's Alum-a-Pole... we buy it in drips and drabs, or used when we can get it..
we just added 3 more pics to our inventory for this job, we started with 2 poles and a 20" x 24' pic about 10 years agoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
The job looks really nice. I have a question if you don't mind teaching me something.
I always believed, or was taught to believe that from bottom to top, joists, studs and ceiling beams lined up, rafters would be off by 1 5/8 on the top plate.
Now you have framed the first floor using those black diamonds and then proceeded from there with 16" OC.
So that flys? I mean I am assuming it does as I know that you know what you are doing.
So I guess my question is, won't the ceiling and roof load transfer down from the top and end up on your 2x sole or bottom plate somewhere in between the first floor joist lay out?
When is the roof party??
Eric[email protected]
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If that's 1 1/8" Advantech, he could fly a helicopter from it. Won't matter a bean if he staggers his studs to the I-joists as long as they line up from the subfloor up.Troy Sprout
Square, Level & Plumb Renovations
Eric,
Truly continues load paths (joist to stud, stud to joist, joist to stud, stud to rafter) are only necessary when framing with a single top plate. With the double top plate the loads don't need to stack directly. Beams and other point loads, however, should always have continuous bearing. Sometimes we throw beams up on the plates and post down later if it's a change or we just blew past the post when laying out the walls.
Even with the double top plate we still frame with continuous load paths when ever possible. However, sometimes you get a situation like Mike's got where the layouts are different and it screws the pooch. The main reason why I like continuous load paths is, quite simply, because I'm anal and think it looks nice. ;)View Image
eric.. the only time i've ever heard of stacking is in "value engineering" ... usually 24" oc.... and everything MUST stack... in that case they typically do not double plate
i would think that 95% of floor joist systems laid out at 19.2" are framed with walls at either 16" or 24".. so , no stacking required there
then they typically revert to a 2d floor frame back to 19.2 with TJI's again
it is my understanding that i can mix my centers as much as i want so long as they comply with code, which is more a function of the span tables... double plating and structural band joists are the key to this
and no, the Advantech is not 1 1/8" it is 3/4"
but, hey, whadda i no ?
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Duh,
I totally spaced out on the band/rim joist/box beam. Duh Duh!!
My experience with stacking is all with 16"OC. 15 1/2 and over in the front, and 14 and back in the rear for laying out.
In essence, code willing, first floor could have any layout you like 'cause the wall studs bear on the rim.
Thanks Brian too and Mike. I get the posting beam loads, but the different spacings of the floor systems threw me for a couple of minutes.
Mike, how about a little sneak preview of the front elevation to whet our appetite?
and no, the Advantech is not 1 1/8" it is 3/4"
Not sure where the Advantech thing came from.
Looks like you work smart, not harder!
Tell me how you get those poles up though.
Eric
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Allright, the Advantech comment was to hackinatit.[email protected]
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this morning we continued setting joists....when we have flush beams, i like to hang the joists with a piece of furring...
with this result.....
wide beams are not always plumb, so we clamp a lever on to give us some help
here's the main beam spanning the kitchen / dining area
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here's the stairwell framing..
and the bay again...
since we're trying to make sure we're in osha compliance, i wanted to set our safety nets, so we bought 3 more 24' pics for this job...we need 4 for the back and 4 for the front
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Mike, couple of things....
1. Your site is a sight for sore eyes man. It's looks clean and organized. Those two things scream "professional" to me.
2. Love the logo on the aluma-pole netting. Love it. You got me hooked on slapping logos on anything that they'll stick to. So far I've got the truck, trailer, forklift, trash barrels, tank tops, sweatshirts, t-shirts (long and short sleeved), carpenter pencils, letterhead, envelopes, and business cards. My plumber one-upped me by showing up with his own ball valves all logoed up. Good thinking. I think I want turtlenecks next.
3. What do you pay for a 24' pic? If you don't mind me asking, of course. How wide do you think is comfortable? I've been looking around for used ones and don't really know what a good price is. You mentioned you buy some of your equipment used, so I thought I'd ask.
4. In the past year or so we started setting conventional lumber 1/4" higher than the LVL beams they flush into when that arrangement is prescribed on the plans. It was the result of one incident in particular... who knows, maybe it was a fluke. Anyway, the solution to the call-back wasn't bad. We ripped out the strip of 3/4 down the length of the LVL and replaced with 1/2". It was in a frame that we did that sat for about 6 months before the finish flooring went down. Just food for thought. Of course there's often a bearing wall stacked over some of those LVL beams, so it might not be so obvious in many situations.
5. What are you cutting the plywood out of your RO's with? Have you tried a router yet? So fast, so clean, so nice.
6. To keep your load paths straight, try designating a corner of the house from which all layouts for the whole house will be pulled. We use the "back left" unless the layout of the house, or the I-joist layouts lend themselves to something different. I guess if you don't frame exclusively, it might not really help. You're probably doing a lot of 'remembering as you go'. Anyway, I make it a point at the beginning of the first floor joist layout to point out the designated corner to the other guys on the crew who may also be doing layout later on in the frame.
Keep the pics coming. It's great to see. I gotta give you credit as I've tried to document a frame from beginning to end in the past. I lose interest once the romance of the project starts to wear off in a couple weeks. I admire your tenacity. Couldn't ask for better weather either, huh? The Framing Gods are with you on this one I guess.View Image
brian..... <<<1. Your site is a sight for sore eyes man. It's looks clean and organized.>>>about 4 phrases stuck with me from my army days:
1) you have to have the ability to move, shoot & comunicate.. loose one and you're worthless
2) drop five zero, fire for effect
3) 1 up & 2 back
4) constantly improve your position
one and four work with almost anything , even keeping the workplace organized.
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<<I think I want turtlenecks next.>>>
Woolrich turtlenecks ( $20) were on sale last week at Work'n Gear for $9.99
think i'll dig out the Ingersoll Rand router with the plunge bit for the R.O."s ... we used to do it but got away from it
the LVL/ lumber bit? is that because of shrinkage ? 1/4" would seem perfect.. too late for this job
and i really like your plumber and his ball valves.. now that's guerilla marketing !
as for "back-left" good sound to it.. sounds better than "front-left"
did you ever write up an SOP for your company ? i keep threatening to do it... just so i could have the give the guys the satisfaction of catching me in my own errors repeated over & over.. they'd probably bone up on it so they could tell me i was violating the SOP
"do as i say, not as i do "
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Mike,
Thanks for the tip on the turtlenecks. I have to buy the merchandise from the artist though. She's done it all for me (except the pencils) and likes to hold onto that artwork. In fact, she still owns it, I believe. But her prices are fair and she does great work in a timely manner, so I don't stray. Yeah... my plumber floored me when I went down to the basement and saw all those ball valves with his phone number on them. Brilliant. I gotta take a picture for you... you'll love them.
Yes, the 1/4" is for "potential" shrinkage. I really can't say yet whether or not it is worth doing. I think it's 50/50 in that the solution (hold the joists up 1/4") may very well prove to be as bad as the original problem. What if you get into the 'perfect frame' situation? Where the lumber comes properly dried and you get the structure built and weather tight before it takes on any more moisture. Then what? I guess I'll be stuck going back and replacing the 3/4 with 1" next time. Who knows which is better? Just thought I'd throw it out there.
Never wrote a SOP for the biz. I'd love to, but haven't found the time. I'm so particular, that it'd probably be the only fair thing to do to any future employees. It probably takes about a year to figure out exactly what it is I want. LOL. Oh well, the guys I have now seem to have it figured out. Left them alone today while I went and took the license prep course for my 2A/1C hoisting license. They kicked azz.
What do you think is a fair price for a used 24' pic? New? What's the "right" width to buy?View Image
pics come in all shapes & sizes
i've got an"aircraft wing" 12" x 24' nice & light
and i've got a lightweight alum. one i got from Barry but we don't like to load it ( rated for 250 lb. )
the only ones i buy now are the Alum-a-pole, very strong but hard to come by used.
for walking & working we like the 20" x 24' about $600, it's like a sidewalk in the sky
for the workbracket we like the 14" x 24', about $400 ( i'll get the bill next week for the last three i just bought ) the 14" is a little easier to lug around, i can actually pick it up by myself ( but i don't unless forced )
the 20" is a two man carry, and you wouldn't want to do it for a loing distance at a trot
one of the neat things about the alum-a-pole pics is that they mate .... you can tie them together on one pole, safely, with out putting one on top of the other
here's a picture of two 20" pics joined over one pole bracket... no 6" heart attack , or 1.5" one either
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with temperatures forecast in the 50's , i couldn't pass up working today ( Saturday ), so Chuck and i worked the morning , joist hangers... and then we started puttiing down the 3/4 Advantech.. being old & lazy, i rigged up a ply lift and we loaded 6 sheets at a time ..
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we also put in some temp framing to reduce the stairwell hole ...it's about 9' x 7'6" so to make more working room , we put in these 2x8's
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once the first row was on we put the top on the wall sheathing ( we had left off the top & bottom until we had the walls loaded )
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that was pretty much it for the day... the Owner came out with their color expert to choose the exterior colors for the siding , trim, windows & doors.. since her nephew runs the biggest Ben Noore store in town, i suggested they confer with him..
want to start priming rake trim next week..
then the kitchen designer from my lumberyard came by with the owner to go over the measurements.... so, the Owners are on the ball and making decisions
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Mike,
Thanks for the information on the pics. Being able to link them up like that is great. That 1 1/2" heart attack is viscious. Funny how everyone knows EXACTLY what that is. Guess it's gotten all of us at one time or another.
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Mike, I too have been scoping out the thread and silent thus far.
Man, there is nothing but "good job" to say.!
Except I wis you were local, and Grant could do ya a cool copper Standing seam roof, and I'd get to install it.
Hat's off to ya!
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many thanks for more lessons from Mike Smith
great thread & I'll be staying tuned
am impressed w/ the quality of the framing lumber & I'm from the doug fir / hemlock capital of the world
Austria huh? they mill it all to our dimensions? wood have thought they wood be metric ? special milling for export to our states?
Well, Im just at 217 in this , been lazy on this one .
Been listenin to you and Mike tak about the advertizing re; the ball valves.
When I was building inspector the mechanical codes started requiring that the installers put their information on the systems . They bitched big time for some reason. They knew if I walked up on a system that had not been inspected or somthing was wrong I would be calling them. I guess that was it , not sure. Anyway I enforced it . It wasnt 6 months later they were bragging over it . When the people needed them again they remembered the name and phone number they saw on the equipment they called them. On several jobs I inspected it was add on work that pocteted more money in their pockets . The owners felt that it was their idea so if they put their name on their stuff they could be trusted.
Tim
I'm still trying to figure out why Brian wants turtlenecks on his ball valves;)
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But your island is into trend setting. Mine is where they go to get away from the trends. Didn't allow automobiles here 'till the mid thirties.
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I'm still trying to figure out why Brian wants turtlenecks on his ball valves
I know he likes tattoos, but I think I'd draw the line at putting that logo on... :)
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Brian,Now I see that you, Mike, and Piffin all condone setting joists higher than the plane of the LVL. I think this is a great idea but I see one major problem.If you have a flush framed floor (beam height=joist height) won't this cause a 1/4" hump on the ceiling if you're framing the second floor? I'm wondering if either this is a NE detail where you all strap so the issue is solved by strapping. Or maybe I'm missing something.Can someone offer guidance?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
the beams can come in two sizes. One matches the joist size and the other is 3/4" larger, which I think is what Mike used here. I get them to match, hike them up so no hump developes in teh floor later, and strap the cieling below. tere is then a gap between AR or plasterboard and the beam too. One of the big advantages of strapping is to isolate the rock and seams from any structural movement/vibrations/shrinkage that can show up as cracks in the finished joints.I also lay out the subfloor so that a sheet spans across form joist to opposite joist, making the sheet, glue and nails a 4' spredder tie to add to the system strength.Mike, sorry if I'm guilty of hi-jacking. Your thread here has become one of the first I go to each day. Great chronology! The only problem is that when those guys in Florida and So Cal hear that we have to battle snow all winter and suffer in the cold, they won't believe it. They now have photographic evidence of how balmy it can be!
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Jon,
We don't really ever see 9 1/4" LVL's here anyway. Usually 9 1/2" is as close as we can get. I've been told (but don't know if it's true or not) that LVL's are manufactured at different sizes than conventional lumber because the manufacturers don't really want you mixing and matching.
But to answer your question, yes, we end up with a beam that is 1/2" lower than the joists in that particular situation. But we strap our ceilings, so it disappears in the strapping which is usually 5/8". You kinda answered your own question.
More often than not, we get beams that are only flush framed on the top or the bottom, and not both. Usually because of spans. So often times the beam hangs down into the room. Most of the time in these situations the design lends itself to the beam marking the transition from one room to another (dining to living or kitchen to dining, or something) so we'll turn it into a large cased opening or something. Other times, they'll be a bearing wall on top of the beam and we can stuff it up into the wall and give a smooth ceiling transition. Sometimes you just end up with a big 'ole beam cutting across the room though. I guess, depending on the room, you could hide it in a coffered ceiling.View Image
"...LVL's are manufactured at different sizes than conventional lumber because the manufacturers don't really want you mixing and matching."
I've asked that question a time or 2 myself, but have never gotten a reasonable answer.
You may be right about them not wanting people to match heights of conventional lumber. But they do make 11 1/4" LVLs, which obviously match 2X12s.
One theory I have is that the 11 7/8" number was dreamed up to allow for 11 7/8" I-joists to look better than 2X12s in span charts. The extra 5% of depth helps them span a bit farther.
But it's just a theory - I can't back it up.
I've always wanted to have someone to hold, someone to love. After having met you, I've changed my mind.
Have you tried a router yet? So fast, so clean, so nice.
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Thanks.
Just found out I'll be building a 2500 single story addition. Trying to get my plan of attack together. Although, I'll probably sub the frame.--------------------------
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I don't think we'd get much work done.
edit: Save the road trip for next summer when I'll be raising my timberframe.
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You're probably right. And if it happened to occur during a Sox/Yankee series it could get ugly.
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This timberframe going to be your own place?
Yeah. I hope. We'll see what happens with the $. Trying to build without a mortgage, but if I have to borrow money, I'm borrowing it for a timberframe. If I can't afford a full timberframe, I might just timberframe the trusses where they will be exposed. Time will tell.
I bought the lot 2 years ago. I'll build the shop this summer, and might start the site work for the house while the excavator is there. That way if I see it slowing next winter I'll start the house.
My best friend from high school owns a PolySteel franchise, and I'm going to pour the walls for the shop with that. Then, standard truss roof on top of that.
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couldn't find mine.. so went to Quaker Lane and bought a new one , Amana... $12.95.... works fine.. got a few dings.. i told them to check for nail heads .. but , they always miss one or twoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'll tell the guys to lay off fully nailing the windows and doors until they've been routed. It's funny when you get compliments on your ROs because the edges look so nice."It's not us, it's the router."Why have you said a couple of times that a new house is so hard to come by? Is it that it's hard to find someone who will pay what it actually costs to build a home and have everyone make a legitimate living? Or is it land? Or a combination of other factors?
guys with companies my size don't usually GC new homes around here.. when i started we'd build one to two homes a year and a lot of other things
sometime in the '80's things changed... and the bigger companies took over new construction.. if you are trying to get the most sf for your dollar , bigger and specialization is the path of least resistance..
the large $800K - million dollar custom homes are mostly built by the companies with lot's of overhead and stables of subs..
so.. lack of land.. lack of opportunity.. our bread and butter is additions and remodeling.. but a job this size we can be very competitive in.. there just are not a lot of them out there and there are a lot of good contractors trying to get themMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and Friday's tate pic.....
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What are doing with all the construction debris? Do you have a dumpster on site?
I like the logo on the safety net. I should get mine done. Of course, I pretty much stopped using my pump jacks when I fired my last helper. It's a real PITA to pump up, and crank down alone.--------------------------
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i'm waiting for my digger to get back from FL so he can expand the graded area.. then i'll have room for my dumpster..
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scraps=BTU's mike.
And I'm thinking you really like that bay.
Always enjoy these ##_threads_## of yours.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
"i'm waiting for my digger to get back from FL "LOL, Mine just left last week. He'll be back end of March.;)
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Mike:
I just spent the past two hours reading and looking at your entire thread for the first time.. I have to tell you ......very impressive. How in the heck do you have the time to even screw around posting all of this?? You have got to have an excellent crew and have your sht together. Kudos from an old small time remodeler.
Ps - here in Michigan I water ski on waters pictured on your ferry ride!!
My Best, nailer01
Mark
mark.. tell me more about your water skiing reference..
BTW.. my family is from the Rochester areaMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike
Question about the flush joists to beam. OK, 2 questions. Are they to form a flush ceiling? Looks like the joists are shorter than the beam. Maybe you will be strapping the ceilings which will bring the ceiling plane lower than the beam?
What if the joists shrink and the beam (lvl?) does not? (Yes, a 3rd question) This happened to a neighbor.... now he has a speed bump in the floor in the middle of a room.
Phil
P.S. Somehow I think we all should be paying for this online edjamakayshun from you.
phil.. yes the joists are 11 1/4 and the beam is 12" , and of course we do strap the ceiling so the flat ceiling will jump the beam and never touch it
my assumption is the LVL will act just like steel , and the austrian 2x12's will do their own thing.... one helpful thing is that everything is KD, and we're so slow that there will be a long dry-in timeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I set the joists about 1/8" to 3/16" above that piece of glued toothpicks to let them shrink down
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well, i guess if i had asked , you guys would have told me before ,instead of after... hah, hah,hah...
shrinkage ??????Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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And I thought only us lowly pt muddlers had to work on the weekend. :)
Dial-uppers beware, the attached file is probably 2 or 3 mins worth of download time.jt8
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tate, once again.. outstanding !
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here's today's... look just like yesterday's... except we got the lumber delivery for the roof frame
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Mike, As usual, beautious job !Looks like you are getting more exact with that Tate shot. A suggestion there... pick a foot. Always put the ball of that foot on the pin you have in the ground, if the pin is flush to the ground. If the pin is proud of the ground, put the same part of that same foot up against the pin every time.I just thought of something... (Warning bad pun coming.)If the pin is proud of the ground, it obviously presents a trip hazard. I wonder if that is what they mean by pride goeth before a fall.....
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
Ouch! (no pun intended)
luka.... don't make me come over there..
the point doesn't vary..... the azimuth and deflection doMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
rained yesterday , so we took care of some of our other customers with indoor work ( plaster repairs )
today , we nailed up some of the sidewall sheathing while we were waiting for the ice to melt off the deck....went for coffee and took a picture of the job from across the pond
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about 10 we went back to the 3/4 Advantech subfloor ....
and i made a modification by ripping one row and routing a new tongue, so the sheet layout would span the beam instead of having the seam over it...
i also made a sled for our old 1/2" router ( Millers Falls 9 amp ).. i think it dates from about '75......anyways i routed a 1/4" off the top of the LVL beam so if the joists shrink ... no hump ( thanks to Brian & Paul for that heads up )...
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by the end of the day we had the deck on.... ready for roof frame tomorrow..
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Got a curious question, and I'm confoosed.
In the across-the-pond picture, which houses are the bad neighbors?
Routing the top of the beam ... You set the joists flush the first time ... so did you go back and cut the beam lower so the joists are 1/4" ? What will you do now ... span the decking across the beam and not have it touch?
When you ripped a sheet in half and routed a new tomgue ... why? Why not rip it in half and put the cut edge against the outside, with the factory tongue facing in? I'm missing something real basic on this one.
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across the pond... same ones as before... the white one & the grey one.. only now they're smaller
y didn't i rip the first sheet ? cause it was already nailed & glued on saturday..with the right router bit, a new edge is pretty easy
and yes the sheets now span the 6" of beam instead of bearing...the beam is recessed 1/4"
and just between u & me... and the bedpost, buck is still giddy from the stiller's win...
can you say troy palumalu ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
eddie... this also allowed us to get rid of the 3 1/2" piece on the last row..
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the last piece is now a 16" piece
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Mr. Smith,
Do you receive a discount from your subs for "ease of use"? If you don't, you deserve one.
Your preparedness and forethought are a rare (non-existent, maybe) occurrence in this area. Everyone following must work too dang hard because the previous hack didn't consider/know/care about the next steps in the process.
Congratulations. Builders like you deserve every reward and more from this industry.Troy Sprout
Square, Level & Plumb Renovations
hackin.... garsh.. yur makin me blush...
we may be prepared, or it may just be that we do things twice.... anyhow, hope you enjoy the show !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
first thing we did today was sweep all the water off the deck from last nights' rain...
while i was meeting with our bookeeper, the guys got all of the 24' ( WET ) 2x10's up to the 2d floor.....
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then we spent the rest of the day making our rafter patterns and framing the gable end..
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here's the rake ladder ready for tomorrow morning...
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not much visual change, so no t8 pic today
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Mike,
There is nothing more cool than rake walls and roof framing :-)
I'm telling you though, you gotta get a chainsaw http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/82815128.jpg Despite the pic, my foot wasn't that close to the bar :-) and it really is safe.
So what kind of beam are you putting in for the ridge? Good looking work as always.
I can tell it was safe - you were wearing safety orange!
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214 today :-)
A regular fog light, eh?
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if only..... man , we have so many tools..hmm, gang-cutting with a chain saw... what would i do with all the extra time ?
and there still isn't enough room on site for our trailer... gotta stop on the way in and pick up some caps & staples for the 30# felt tomorrow....
no ridge beam... full shed dormer on the back.... see if you like that framing
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I don't care what you say Tim. In that pic, you are out of position and don't have the proper leverage to handle that saw when it decides to chomp your leg in half. It aint safe.
Why wouldn't you just stand on top of the pile?
I wouldn't allow anyone to routinely make cuts like that around me. I'm too squeamish and don't like blood and guts.
blue
Blue,
I appreciate your comments. I would like to state that neither you, nor anyone else here has experience doing this. There may be a couple of framers who have the experience, but to this point, they've not chimed in on any thread I've posted pics of the chainsaw. That being the case, you are basing your opinion on the pictures. While that might be somewhat compelling, and I am glad you bring this up, it doesn't tell the whole story. I just have to state as plainly as possible (which probably isn't very plainly) there are more variables to this equation than the pictures show.
I'm curious, do you require your guys or do you wear fall protection above 6' or 10' whichever applies to your area? Does everyone you work with who drives your forklift have a liscense to do so if required in your state? Would you say that you follow all safety rules and regs to the letter? Whether from OSHA, your state version of it, or from the manufacturers of the tools and materials you use? I really doubt it, and I wouldn't judge you for that. Many of those rules are a response to litigation or the potential for it.
I won't make any excuses for using the chainsaw the way I do. I know the variables, have experience with a chainsaw and take care to use it in a safe manner. Does that mean that I'm guaranteed never to have an accident? No. But if I approach it the right way, every time, then I can feel confident (not cocky). I don't know how my posts sound to everyone who reads them, but if you really knew me and had experience working with me, you would know that I do NOT take chances. It isn't worth the potential problems that might cause me or someone else or their family and it certainly would be bad for this business. We have a nearly perfect safety record at this company. We have zero injuries as a result of a power tool. The last claim that was made was for an older framers back about 10 years ago. We promote heavily a saftey oriented attitude. I've never fallen, no one else has here either.
I've read a lot about chainsaw saftey, Jasen grew up with a logger as a stepfather who taught him how to handle it safely and my old mentor, Dave was a chainsaw guru. None of that is a guarantee, but if I was looking for guarantees, I wouldn't use any power tool, and neither would you. There is some inherent risk in nearly every part of framing (except snapping lines and the chalk will probably end up causing cancer), yet we both do it.
You know I respect you greatly and if I came across speaking down to you, I apologize in advance for that. That is always a risk in posting because you can't see the glint in my eye or the half smile half smirk I usually have :-)
I'll cut standing on top of the pile and post pics for you the next time I do it. I'm going to cut the roof for the next house (little one) on the job we are on because I have the room so that will be Monday or Tuesday I hope. I'll try and post those for you.
Have you considered a pair of chain saw chaps? For $50 - $75 they can prevent a lot of pain and suffering. My brother and I cut a lot of firewood (40 - 60 cords a year) and I won't start a chainsaw up without them.
I have, but I just don't use it that much. Really its about 10 minutes of cutting per house or less. Not that that means the chaps aren't worth it, but the guys might laugh . . .
I have, but I just don't use it that much. Really its about 10 minutes of cutting per house or less. Not that that means the chaps aren't worth it, but the guys might laugh . . .
You're supposed to wear PANTS under the chaps. sheeeze....
;)
jt8
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You're supposed to wear PANTS under the chaps. sheeeze....
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Tim,
Just so you don't get lonely...
Here's a few pics of me gang cutting last spring. In these pics I have the headcutter mounted to the bar backwards. I was trying to experiment with it as my cuts were consistently 1/4" out of plumb. Come to find out, it's my technique that needed changing.
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(Mike.... sorry for the hijack. You can have your cool thread back now) :)
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brian..nice bags
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Brian,
Now I know I'm from Hack-istan http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/91252562.jpg
I don't use a guide to cut I-joists. Maybe I should :-)
Tim,
FWIW, we gang cut with a chainsaw and headcutter too. Not too many roofs yet, but all of our I-joist packages. I make all of the cuts in exactly the same positions that you are in. Standing on top of the pile would be a terribly awkward and uncomfortable position for me.
If you ask me, cutting with any saw in an awkward or uncomfortable position is pretty much asking for an accident.
I agree completely that you'd need to have done this before to really be able to make a judgement call on what is safe and what isn't safe. The chances of kick-back are slim to none if you're using KD lumber, the stock is properly supported, and the cut-offs have a clear path to fall away from the saw. As you know, the saw literally pulls itself through the pile so you're never in a position where you're forcing the saw through a cut and increasing the odds of a kick-back.
"Some guys" tear off the blade guards on their saws, right out of the box. "Some" might also cut the 1 1/2" off the table to enable flush cutting. Who am I to tell that guy that what he does isn't safe..... for him? If he's the only one using that saw and is 100% comfortable and confident in how he handles it, then I guess it could be as safe as it needs to be.
We all toe the line all day every day in this industry. It's all about your skill level at whatever it is you're doing. Personally, I'd never attempt to free hand a cut on a table saw. And I was even ridiculed a bit for saying such.... right here on this forum. My skill level with a tablesaw just makes that a very unsafe practice... for me. In skilled hands it could be a very routine cut.
But to be entirely honest..... I feel 100 times safer gang cutting a pile of lumber with a chainsaw than I do, say, climbing a 40' extension ladder or making a climb cut with a router.
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I wouldn't allow anyone to routinely make cuts like that around me. I'm too squeamish and don't like blood and guts.
Blue, I thought you were the one disabling the guards on your saws? jt8
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He doesn't disable them - he totally makes them non-existant!;)
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a little breezy today... but sunny & about 36 deg.
lots of cutting , nailing, sheathing, ladder building, papering , and rake trim..
finally got lift off in the afternoon...
here goes the north wall..... windward side is always easier than the leeward side.. especially when some of the guys have never played with Proctor wall jacks before..
why are these guys grinning ?
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got that one up & braced.. now the south wall ... downwind..
the rake ends and birdsmouths were a little snug...
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so mike ran a sawzall thru the bind...
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and roy & chuck kept on jacking...
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so.. here's the north gable end...
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and the south gable end... both with a 9" rake ladder with 1x8 MiraTech trim
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( my lumberyard stopped carrying GP PrimeTrim ) so far i like the MiraTech better than the GP PrimeTrim
we left 8' between the bottom of the upper sheathing & the top of the lower sheathing so we can tie the 2d floor to the 1st floor... if we don't do that we have to install metal connectors from first floor to 2d floor.....
so.. we'll have the sill tied to the first floor and the upper plate the birdsmouths sit on tied to the first floor... and the gable ends tied to the first floor..
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here's a change....
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tomorrow we'll stage the ridge borad and start setting rafters
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Do you mind saying what is more attractive about the Miratec?
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GP used to be thicker when it was smooth on both sides.. when they reconfigured it with a smooth side / embossed woodgrain side it seemed to get noticeably thinner... almost like it was 5/8 instead of 3/4
the Miratech looks like it is the full 3/4... i'll take a closer look and compare the two... i think i still have some GP in my stock pile
i'm not a fan of the woodgrain back .. which both of them have now.. but so far the MT looks more like the old quality GP than the current GP materialMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm not a fan of the woodgrained back either. That is a concession to western trim styles.But for as long as I've been using GP Primetrim it has been 9/16" by spec, except for the 5/4 which is just a doubled thickness of the same product laminated together.My guys nicknamed it "Pus" becaue of what ends up in the nasal passages when they forget to grab a dust mask. Is the Miratec the same nasty dust when you rip or cut?Another fault of the GP is that it seems to volcanoe around nails more than it used to. That is a subjectiove opinion though. I do predrill and use SS trimheads
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i'll give you a rundown on what we find..
the yard guy says my lumber company stopped with the GP when they got a couple bad loads after Katrina.. but who knows.. maybe Miratec just gave them a better dealMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Miratec is indeed the same nasty dust when you rip or cut. As I'm sure you know it blows off of your tools really nice, but if it starts to rain...what a mess!
Now that's an exciting day, huh?
Hey, do you always frame your overhangs that way? Is that a common practice thereabouts?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
I love MiraTec too. I guess the only bummer is that it's rough on blades, but that's a small price to pay for straight, defect free material.Do you like working with HardieTrim?Thanks for the picture progression; it's fun watching experienced professionals at work.When you say pic is that short for anything? I'd always just heard them called aluminum planks or something along those lines.
i've never used HardieTrim... been using GPPT since about '95
pic is just local vernacular for long engineered planks
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there's 2 work bench pics and 2 walking pics in this pic
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Looks like you're about to really block the view of the pond. Any more harassment from the natives?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Looks like you're about to really block the view of the pond. Any more harassment from the natives?
He probably told 'em if they don't stop bothering him, he'd put on another floor and completely kill their view :)
jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
no... there is a jury trial court date set for Feb. 6th.... stay tunedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You gonna take your camera to court with you?LOL
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I don't suppose pictures of your entire crew mooning the abuttheads, would go over to well with the jury ?
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
this morning started as a 6 layer day... got down to 4 , and finished as a 5 layer.... mostly the wind off the water.
anyways, we framed the shed dormer wall and stood it up..
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then laid out the ridge and i used Joe Carola's ridge splice... worked out great !
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putting up staging to work the ridge took quite awhile...
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but eventually we got it up and managed to set two pairs right at the ridge splice joints..BTW... the ridge is point right at the rotunda at Easton's Beach ( First Beach )
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we are setting some full common rafters framed right thru the shed dormer ( one every 8' ) to hold the ridge in place...
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after we frame the shed dormer roof we'll cut these rafters flush with the ceiling & outside wall
here's another view of the rake ladder...
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and the Owner and a friend stopped by to take a view out of one of the 2d floor windows
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here's a view across the pond looking back at the parking lot i took the long view from yesterday
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and a perspective of the back of the house with the full shed dormer..
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here's a Friday shot !...
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nobody's comming in tomorrow.. to many other things to do... so i guess we'll lose some great weather
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Man, a beer would taste good right about now.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
I say raise 'em high!
A toast to Mike Smith, builder extrodinaire!!
And thanks Mike, this is one thread I always look for!
Be safe up there.
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Something to check on first thing monday morning...You know the neighbors better than I do - they wouldn't be the kind to loosen up any braces over the weekend, would they?
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I hate to sound cynical, just don't want your guys getting hurt. I've seen it done.
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Hello Mr contractor de lujo
again my compliments to your fine work
hesitant to take on someone so proficient in all aspects of his work But it is the seahawks and the steelers and I'll match you
the offchance the steelers win I'll get you your Outback certificate and if the hawks prevail you forward Barnes & Noble or Borders money
if this is up your alley let's do itemail me at mail on my profile or in this fine thread of yours
cheers john
well, john.. i'm a patriots fan... but i'll take the afc steelers over your hawks
and you're on... guess that shouldn't jinx bucks' steelers , no ?
always makes the game more interesting when you've got a stake in the outcome..
or was that, a steak in the outback ?
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Mike, you guys are FLYING on that house! I really miss a full build at times, but roofing has been a blast. What type of roof ya doing up there? I know ya get some serious wind off the water.
Copper'd look nice (G).
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copper be fine..... finest kind..
we be doin Certainteed Hatteras.. i know what you mean about the full build.. .. seldom get the chance anymore.. these young dudes working for me.. sure hope they realize how seldom an opportunity comes along like thisMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"...these young dudes working for me.. sure hope they realize how seldom an opportunity comes along like this"
If they make a career out of carpentry they will. I bet Roy does. Things change, not much we can do about it but try to adapt.
Keep up the good work. TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
Mike,
If you don't mind my asking, what kind of camera are you using? It must be rugged to be bounced around in your tool belt all day and still take great pictures. Whenever I have a camera on site, I'm constantly moving it (to keep it from getting bashed), loosing it (probably because I'm always moving it), or picking it out of a pile of sawdust because I forgot to move it before cutting through a stack of studs. What's your secret?
i've always had a camera on the job.. used to be a Nikon FM until i went digital..
now it's a Nikon Coolpix 995... but i keep it in a soft camera bagMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
We hope your Nikon will be capturing all the details of the Mooney wall construction for the exterior walls.
Whatever the artillery speak is for left-right... you got the left-right almost perfect on those last two shots. Dial-up folks are probably looking at 3-4 mins on that file, but shoot, those pics Flash so clearly, I hate to crop them.
Your guys are moving right along. Going to have the roof raftered, sheathed, papered,and shingled by Friday?
jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
hah. hah. hah.... that is so cool...
nah.... maybe we'll have the plywood on the roof by friday.. maybe not.
supposed to rain tomorrow.. and that 5/8 T&G Advantech is not the lightest stuff in the world...
i'm thinking of bringing our ladder-vator over to load the roofMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
nah.... maybe we'll have the plywood on the roof by friday.. maybe not.
supposed to rain tomorrow.. and that 5/8 T&G Advantech is not the lightest stuff in the world...
i'm thinking of bringing our ladder-vator over to load the roof
Get d-pig to show up with his fork and you'll have that sheathing up there in a heartbeat. Sure beats hoofing it up there.
All you pros with your corrupting influence. The Hitachi coil showed up today. And I'm tripping over the 1st delivery of subfloor.
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this morning chuck & mike set the wall jack staging so we could frame the full shed dormer.. while roy & i jacked the 2d floor main beam so we could install the lally column post....
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the guys set the common rafters across the front ( except for the hole we left to pull the staging out )..
then after lunch we started setting the dormer rafters..
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here's the north gable end from the other side of the garage
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and the end-of-day shot....
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notice all the lumber is moved from the front of the garage... my digger is comming tomorrow ( weather permitting ) to start filling the garage
we got a lumber delivery today, and the guy with the moffet was kind enough to move all of it.. service , huh ?
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remeber back in post #48 i had a pic of a fire location in Newport.. right near the bridge in the Point Section..
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well , Saturday i finally drove over there and took a close look... they've finall allowed the contractor to start cleanup ( arson investigations had the site secured )
i was a day late to get a pic of all the 24' alum-a-poles still standing and leaning into the charcoal pit.. they were all around the house
not much left of the place .. and it was a big three story..
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Man, what a shame. Any word on the cause yet? You think it coulda been arson? You know the contractor or owner?View Image
brian.. i know the contractor.. met him once..
and one of the guys who used to work for me was working on the job.. but i've heard nothing about it....
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Mind if I ask what the projected cost per heated sq ft is on this house (excluding land)?
I'm bettin that once it's done, the "adverse" neighbor's property values will likely be raised based on the nice house next door - discounting the fact that their view of the water is reduced...
Did it melt the alumapoles? (And is that a politically correct term? Do the Polish people have a problem with that?)
In the pic of the lally column ... What is the smaller pipe to the right? And does the column go from the ground through the first floor decking to the secoind floor beam?
Just kidding about the PC-alumapoles. :)
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eddie .. that's a piece of furring.. when we jack something we nail an indicator to the ceiling with the end resting on the floor.. then when we let it down we can tell if it came all the way down.. or if it came down too far..
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Hello Mike - Great thread. Thanks for your efforts. Question about that furring strip -
eddie .. that's a piece of furring.. when we jack something we nail an indicator to the ceiling with the end resting on the floor.. then when we let it down we can tell if it came all the way down.. or if it came down too far..
What do you do when the supports are released and the beam does not return to original position?
JW
Ok, what about the steel column going through the deck to the ground?
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that lally column on the 1st floor goes thru the subfloor & sits on this beam... right on top of the double lally columns in the basement...
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so.. we have a beam carrying the 2d floor supported by a column .. transfering the point load to the double columns in the basment
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all we got in today was a half-day.. started raining just about 11 am..
finished the dormer rafters and took the ridge staging down so we can put in the last 5 common rafters tomorrow ( the pattern and the 4 staging planks are the last 5 rafters )Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Interesting thread Mike. Keep it coming.
Your method of putting that stanchion through the floor intrigues me, not that I'd do it unless forced to do so. I probably would have solid blocked between the lower joist and just flush nailed the stachion to the floor...unless the bearing plate interefered in some way.
I don't know how you get the stanchion through the hole...unless it doesn't have a bearing plate welded on. Around here, all stanchions come with a bearing plate welded. I suppose we could order one without a plate...
blue
blue.. most of the time our lally columns come thru with a 3/32 plate welded to one end and a loose plate for the other..
you can also get what they call ( on my invoice ) a "springfield plate"..these are a nice looking 3/8 x5x8 loose plate with a 1" high x 3.5 ( or 4" ) collar ..and that is what we used on the base..
so i should have about zero shrinkage or compression.. since we're going from the concrete footing to the double lally column to a triple lvl to a single lally column to a triple lvl.. i'll take a pic of the springfield plate.. i didn't even know they existed.. i was going to go to a steel fabricator and have them make one ( i imagined the same thing ) and lo & behold... my lumber company had a box of the 3.5's & the 4's.. i paid $20 for each plateMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I haven't seen anything but Springfield plates for a couple years now. Occasionally when the inspector can't find anything else wrong with my frames {G} he'll make the builder tack weld the column to the plate. We usually install them with 1/4" lags into the beam and then the other end of the column gets buried in the basement slab pour.
Only thing I don't like about the Springfield plates is that they edges are so unfinished. I've cut myself pretty good on more than one occasion on those things.View Image
We usually install them with 1/4" lags into the beam and then the other end of the column gets buried in the basement slab pour.
Ever use GRK structural bolts in place of lags? Way faster to zip in, and you don't need to drill any pilot holes.
I've used them, but never thought to use them on the plates. Good idea.View Image
Lally Columns, out here in the Wild West we call em "Mono Posts." When we call them in we give them the tight measurement. They will make the top & bottom anyway you want. All are adjustable. When it comes to inspection time as long as you don't have more then 2 7/8" of the threads showing Your IN .
Heres some shortys for the I beams supporting the main floor.
Dw been asking where were going for Valentine's Day?
nice posts.. but ours have zero adjustment.. they sell them in 6" increments.. and you cut them in the field to fit
watch your mail.. i tried to email you but your old addy didn't work
i think you have about 7 choices on that ticketMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I too live in monopost country. Can't imagine not having the ability to fine tune the column where it needs to be. Our codes here require the threaded end to be on the bottom and buried in the concrete, or if the threaded end is left exposed, it must be welded.John Svenson, builder, remodeler, NE Ohio
G8, we call that type of stanchion an "adjustable" stanchion. I guess the name is rather unimaginative, but it works for us. They too have a 3" adjustment factor. If it's dipped in red oxide, it's suitable for FHA. If it's black, all the rest of the world can use them.
I used to make stanchions when I worked in a steel supply shop before I started in Carpentry. I've made a lot of different types but I've never made one of those springfields.
We used to thin the red and black paint with gas. A couple of times, when the newly made column was still too hot from the welds, I lit the dip tank on fire. That always got the adrenaline flowing...
blue
Man what fun. brings a lot of memories. Something
that goes sizzle -whoosh just gets the juices flowing.
I gotta hand it to emmmarrrrr Smith he runs a tight
jobsite, a clean site, is a safe site.its a lot easier to
keep a clean site, than let it build up every day,
D.W.
yesterday before we got rained out.. we set the dormer rafters..
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this morning we scraped ice for two hours , then built the rake ladders and installed them..
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and this afternoon we put up the central bearing wall on the 2d floor, and a flush ceiling beam , then started setting ceiling joists..
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got a prelim framing inspection from the BI too.... he liked everything but wanted some squash blocks on top of the main beam in the basement... the engineered drawing didn't call for them... but it's not worth arguing about.. these guys are very good to work with
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OK, You've got my curiosity up - what's the deal with an upside down staging stanchion outside the wall on the second floor? That's a trick I haven't seen yet!;)
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Gee, I hate to see the heck get beat out of yah. At this age, I need all the heck I can muster.
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it was trapped on top of the dormer rafters and the guys slid it down the rafters and parked it..
tomorrow we'll bring it back inMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
leave it there ...
next time the inspector stops by ...
just point and ask ...
"is-zat legal"?
and look confused.
see what he says.
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it was trapped on top of the dormer rafters and the guys slid it down the rafters and parked it..
Logical succession of q's would be; What was it doing on tp of the rafters?[email protected]
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figure it out.. the staging frames were higher than the rafters..
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don't make me come over there....
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Mike,
A little trick we use to deal with the Ice & rain on the large single family homes, after we have the floor ply (or osb) down and the all the caulk lines snapped for the walls. We bring in a 5gal can of Thompsons Water Seal ($40) & the 3' squeegee. We pour it on thick & push it around the Deck.
Snow & Ice comes right off like a frying pan sprayed with Pam. In the Rain Season it beads up the water & makes removal quicker. One application is good for about 90 days. Caulk lines also stay put.
this morning we put up enough ceiling joists so we could stage on top of them and fill in the last 5 of the common rafters that were blocked by our ridge staging..
we installed all our H2.5's...
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then we started putting in our insulation dams with access slot for the Propa-vents.. it's easier to put these in now before we install the 2x sub-fascia
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here's a Propa-Vent to show the application
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and our workhorse gun , an N88... we have two of these, both with the connector nose.. we use these for everything from connector nails to 6d for wall sheathing, 8d ringshank for 3/4 & 5/8,,, adn 10d,12d, & 16d for framing
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here's the ceiling joist install with the attic scuttle
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and the bracing that is still in place until we get our roof sheathin on
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here's a view of the gable end from the garage end , ne
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and from the nw...
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and from the garage
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here's yours.. from the PK nail..
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Mike - I'm just a lurker here, not much to add to this thread, but enjoying it immensely. Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to shoot and post. Brings back memories - I used to work on a crew building customs like this in the Ojai Calif. area, many years ago. But we weren't as "OSHA- conscious" as you! Keep up the good work!
you mean chalk?
Yes, thanks for catching that , was still on my 1st cup of java.
Mike, I frame in Utah, I have yet to see the red scaffold jacks that you use, (the ones that fasten to the walls ), do they just nail through the Ply into the studs ?? they look like a more effecient way to stage a building, I too use the long planks, but usually bridge them between scaffold towers. I notice that your typical overhang is only about 12" ,, ours our typically 30" to 36", so the jacks would have to be much bigger, but I'm interested in the idea of the wall mounted scaffold jacks, a lot of times we build them from 2x6, but a set of reusable steel ones, is less wasteful. Let me Know , Thanks, Travis
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Thanks !!!
G8, those look scary. Are they osha approved?
blue
8 deg this am...
anyways.. the digger got the electric trench open and the electricians ran the elec/cable/tel conduits
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we gave them a mounting board for the meter box
then , Randy dug out the footings for the concrete columns and we set the forms for those.. my form guy is pouring someplace close so he's going to order an extra 1/2 cy for these
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Mike, You know your sh%t. I just call you when I need help.
-lou
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Don't think OSHA would approve. We got about 10 sets only use them on personal stuff. Have never had any problems with them in the past 20 years. Still got my Old School pump jacks, the ones you nail 2, 2x4s & get climbing.
they now make stanchions that bolt onto the back of the wall jacks to bring them into compliance..
i'll take a pic of our setup tomorrowMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Bluethats not scary this isErich
Oops picture got lost
hope i got it this timeErich
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elo... that bears repeating !
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especially with soooo many possibilities for betterways to do that! I almost lost my breakfast over seeing that!
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Thats not the first time the the person who built that has done something like that'
the first one i saw had the plank resting on top of the ridge on one end and the other end on a ladder jack on the ladder about 3' above the edge of the roof (no photo of that one)sorry for the hijackAnd thanks for the photos Mike
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Boy, he really doesn't know which end is up.
His right hand ladder has the wheels on top. Didn't anybody ever tell him the wheels go on the bottom?
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Mike,
Sorry for digging up an old post.
In this photo- what's the purpose of stepping the second floor shed dormer exterior wall back?
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Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I am guessing here Jon,but...
I think it just looks better this way...
looks like a dormer compared to a big house with a roof tied in...
but let's wait for Mr. Smith with the right answer...:)
regards
jon, cardiac aced the answer i hate dormers that go all the way to the 1st floor walls... so i always step them in... on the gables i try to have room for a man to work the roofand on the rear i like the main roof to look like it still existsmost full dormer designs go all the way to the walls to get the most living area, but i've always avoided tatso... there you are... compromise on compromisefun , ain't it ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
these turned up in the gravel my digger is hauling in for the garage...
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anyone know what they are... my digger knew.. i'll give you a hint..
the gravel bank is in South County , RI
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scraping ice in the morning , but 42 deg by noon... a great day for 1 February
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Very nice Mike. Sorry about the weather though, but all in all you've had it good.
What is the outside dimensions for the main house and the roof pitch?
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hey... i'm NOT complaining about the weather !
.... it's been more like March than January
the cape is 32 x 44 with a 10/12 roof.. the breezeway is 12 x 14.. and the garage is 28x28Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"anyone know what they are..."
I'd say they might be the four well weathered fingers and thumb of an old Yankee.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
oh ,really ?... what about the implement ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
oh ,really ?... what about the implement ?
well, if the pieces were more petite, I'd say it was part of a potato digger - maybe part of a rock sorter/sizer?
"there's enough for everyone"
mebbe your potatoes just ain't big enough..
potatoe digger it is.. all of South County was potatoe country... now it's houses, sod farms & gravel pits..
3 milkbones to DoudMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Put those baby's on ebay!
The insulation dams ... looks like a piece of 1/4" ply with a D-hole and a scrap of strapping. Do you have to make and install one of those for every bay?
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eddie.. teh 1/4" luan & d-hole is the template.
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it's leaning up against the 1/2" plywood damMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Why cut them in place rather than on the deck in "bunches" at once?Troy Sprout
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on the back wall we cut them on the deck in bunches all at once..
prototypes !... my life is a bunch of prototypes !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"A better way" is always frought with prototypes and "Aw, Sh^ts!"
Another Great idea I'm gonna steal.
Thank You!Troy Sprout
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"oh ,really ?... what about the implement ?"
A wedding ring?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
Chain for a potato digger
right on.. you and doud can fight over the dog bonesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's a snow scene for you...
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That's a sharp looking house from the downhill side.
The 2x2's ... would it have been cheaper to buy them pre-ripped from the lumber yard?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
>> anyone know what they are... my digger knew.. I'll give you a hint.. << My guess is that they are either some pieces off a conveyor used at a gravel pit or part of the tracks off an antique bulldozer/loader.
On another topic - Earlier I asked the Q: How much is the projected cost per heated square foot (excluding land) for this project? Or similar...
I waited a while - you didn't answer; I didn't think you would. I know it's none of my business, and don't expect you to reveal the secrets of your business - some might even think it rude for me to ask... but here is my motivation: When home owners page through your pics and descriptions and see the excellent construction methods you use - all the staging you have, plywood for everything (except the Advantech floor sheathing), etc, etc, etc, and think "why didn't my builder do it like this?" their thoughts need to be tempered with some grounding in dollar figures. Like one guy here who has gone on and on complaining about how cheaply his tract built house was built in Georgia who probably paid $100 a sq ft or less....
My educated guess is that your project shown here will cost the HO somewhere in the $200 - $275 a sq ft range... heated sq ft - land not included.
Again - I don't expect you to answer...
Of course we haven't seen what the interior/exterior finishing will be like, but I can guess knowing the high caliber of work you do...
Earlier I asked the Q: How much is the projected cost per heated square foot for this project?
Maybe he didn't get the question. When I originally read that, I thought you were asking for heating costs. "heated square foot" is generally referred to as "conditioned space" here in Bakersfield. Now I get what you're asking!
As to the cost per sq. ft. affecting the quality of the project - I'm with the Georgia homeowner. I think $100/sq. ft. should buy a quality home!
My tract home in Bakersfield originally cost me less than $100/sq. ft. years ago when we bought, but I still gripe about the quality shortcuts- i.e. vinyl coated sinkers to nail the fascia up, improper detailing of the roofing paper at the fascia causing fascia rot throughout the housing tract, half-inch OSB on the exposed eaves (ugly - especially where the roofing nails come through and splinter like crazy), carpet quarter-turned at the seam, broadcasting the seam from anywhere in the room, particle-board cabinet doors with paper-thin veneer, I could go on!
Of course, I'd trade in a heartbeat for a Mike Smith home!"he...never charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it, too" - Mark Twain
I agree in theory with most of what you said... Just because a house is built to be "affordable" doesn't mean poor construction techniques should be acceptable, but you are still gonna get the less expensive materials: >> particle-board cabinet doors with paper-thin veneer << I've seen the 'veneer' so thin that a big problem was that the blue painters tape pulled off the side surface of the cabinet. So, for $100 a sq foot I don't think it is realistic to expect real plywood to be used through-out (not withstanding crazy price swings on sheet goods), and just wait and see what kind of insulation Mike puts in there... And you would never see those insulation damns that he is installing... great workmanship but you won't see it for $100... and he details his secondary rainscreen very carefully... Fantastic stuff - but not available at $100 a sq ft...
I can see how the term "heated sq ft" wouldn't be used in Bakersfield though.
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matt.. i'll back the number out for you.. but it's gotta take some figgerin.. there's a lot of non-standard conditions
1: only part of the 2d floor is finished.... 2: we're painting the outside, the owner is painting the inside
3: the site work is extremely high for this job.. i have 700' of 2" force main for the sewer pump up.. there are some concrete catch basins included, & a stormwater structure and an astounding amount of fill
4: a long time ago i developed a number i call "Equivelent First Floor Square Footage" as follows: all of our houses include full basements.. so a heated first floor includes the basement
2d floors i figure at 50%
garages i figure at 50%
covered porches @ 25%, decks at 25%, 2d floor of garage @ 25%, screened porches 25%
so : 1st fl ( 32x44 x1) 1408 brzway (12x14x1) 168 bay window (2x10x1) 20
garage (28x28x.5) 196 2d floor house (24x44x.5) 528
2d fl. garage (20x28x.25)140 east deck (12x14x.25)42
south deck (12x20x.25) 60 screened porch (12x12x.25 ) 36
all of this adds up to 2598 EFFSF..... the contract is for $480K / 2598 = $185/EFFSF
so, whadda ya think ? am i in trouble or what ?
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I think the homeowner is getting very good value for that kind of price.
Hope your profit is equally as good, you deserve it...Buic
so, whadda ya think ? am i in trouble or what ?
Not yet, you haven't finished yet!
So you included the site work in that?
I'd say your clients are getting a very fair deal.
I'm curious what the deal is with the second floor.
I've walked into a couple of capes from the fifties with unfinished attics. One had 4" cast, hot and cold risers, and a heat loop capped off. Sweet!! Made my job a lot easier.
I like a Cape for that reason, I think too often it is a paaed by design. You can always stay on the first floor if age is a consideration, as long as it was taken into consideration at the time. Depending on where the stairs are located, they could possibly be walled off to creat a private entry for the second floor.
Eric
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yes, site work is included but finish landscape is not
the 2d floor will have a finished hallway and finished bath.. but the 3 bedrooms will be studded and insulated only....
our first house had an unfinished 2d floor.. with a door at the bottom of the stairs... 6 years later when Marianne was on the way we finished it and moved upMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, is this place getting Mooney-wall style insulation? If so, I'm really interested in any pics you care to take of the process. I've followed the other threads and their pics, but more info is always better!=====Zippy=====
zip... is this gettin Mooney Walls ?.. do bears shid in da woods ? is the pope catholic ?
hah .... stay tuned, those insulation dams were only the beginning Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Cool!
Thanks for your effort in starting and maintaining one of the best threads in a long while.
=====Zippy=====
combine the two thot's Mike ...
makes for a quicker ... (and a personal fav line of mine)
"does the pope shid in the woods?"
Jeff
Buck Construction
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Pittsburgh Pa
My fav, "Is a Pigs A$$ Pork?"
so , glen... where did ya go ? or ain't cha gone yet ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Going to renew the vowels with DW on the 14th, Am thinking Steak she might get Pork!
Thanks!
Go UnderDogs, Who ever that might be.
double edit tonight, glued up some counter tops today, still feeling the effects.
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The eagle has landed.
Funny card.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
roy & mike worked the front, with the subfascia and the first two rows of 5/8 T&G Advantech..
while Chuck & I worked the rest of the dormer framing , basically turning the ceiling joists & rafters into a truss
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then we started with the pent roof at the base of the dormer
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Construction 101. Keep 'em coming!"he...never charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it, too" - Mark Twain
so, once the ceiling was trussed, we could cut out the common rafters that ran thru the dormer to hold the ridge
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roy & mike set the 1st two rows of sheathing from the staging & the 2d floor... then they put up a landing platform so we can get all the 5/8 up to the roof tomorrow with our ladder-vator
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Mike,
Firtst let me say I am really enjoying this post. Thanks for your time.
In the top picture in post #450, it shows the pieces used to create the truss effect. Did you use blocking to bring them into allignment or are they slightly out of square? Or am I missing something.
Mike,
trial still in progress?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
bobl.. they are negotiating , and the court date has been moved to Feb. 17th.. no news other than that.... and no contact with the neighborMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike,
I am really enjoying this thread, thanks for your efforts at posting pictures. Here in Idaho I have never heard of Avantech before but I see it all the time on Breaktime. Can you give me a rough idea of cost? Idaho is a prety dry climate compared to you coastal guys, maybe its not "needed" out here.
CRF
CRF.... we pay about $30 for 3/4 and $22 for 5/8Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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exactly , only different.. that's a nice center chimney capeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's a view to the tower at St. George's school across Green End Pond.
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the pent roof will not be vented ( the dormer & main roof will )... so i installed plywood blocking for insulation dams
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and the guys got up to the last rip sheet on the front
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exactly only different................wise guy!
You have a lot of roof brackets Mike!
What's waiting to go upstairs here? Leaning on the gable end?
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just a bunch of 2x4/16's for shoes & plates....Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, I am glad to see the shed dormer isn't full, and is inset a bit from the ends of the house. So much better looking that way IMHO, and I like the roof overhangs as well.Jake Gulick
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here's the back of the house with the dormer......
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and at the end of the day we got a lumber delivery of pre-cut studs.. the moffet operator drove right into the garage & set them on the breezeway deck, ready for tomorrow
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today was a 6-layer morning, but we had lot's of heavy work to warm up with..
roy set up the ladder-vator and the guys started humping 5/8 T&G Advantech
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then we finished sheathing the dormer roof, here's a section we headed off so we can install a 22" Suntunnel into the stairwell later
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when they went onto sheathing the front roof, i set up to frame the pent roof across the bottom of the dormer.. here's my tail pattern.. i like to bend the nails over on my pattern setting blocks
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My lumberyard says no Advantech also, but they asked around and found something called 'Ainsworth Dura-Strand' which may be similar. I have not talked to anyone yet who has used it.
http://www.ainsworth.ca/pdf/products/ans_dur_floor06.05.pdf
A couple weeks ago, I paid $27.99/sheet for the 3/4 subfloor Advantech.jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
I just priced out Advantech at 27.99 also but found out that 3/4 T&G Fir ply was exactly the same price. It used to be priced well below fir ply. Its a mystery to me.
The CM
there's been a couple times i paid more for 3/4 Advantech than i would have for our old standard... 3/4 fir T&G, Plugged & Touch-sandedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hi Mike,
Why would you use Advantech over fir ply? Just curious.
BTW, your project looks great.
The CM
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doesn't delaminate, doesn't absorb water.. better productMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the guys finished sheathing the upper roofs while i had my weekly mtg with our bookeeper...
Roy started studding the dormer gable ends, and then we strung & blocked them and put in the permanent bracing in the attic
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Then we started sheathing the gable setbacks on each side of the dormer.. here's chuck receiving the l-shaped piece for the bottom wrap- around
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and the finished north end....
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and the same end ... inside
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Randy brought his loader over and moved all the gravel material he hauled yesterday,
here's the view from the NE..
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and the view from the SE..
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end of day....
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Mike,
What is Advantech like to walk on? Does the roof sheathing have a good rough side for grip? Or is it smoother?
Nice work man, really really nice work.
tim... it's just fine , they've pressed in some kind of texture.. naturally, a little dew and frost will still make a jackazz out you, but the 5/8 t&g is some solid....Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
eric... that's the steve shope memorial box.. guy used to work for me made it for a step / work box..
that was 4 years ago.. the box is still hanging around.. we keep threatening to rebuild it , but hasn't happened yet
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The job mascot.................
Have a great day, stay warm.
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Excellent work.
I still think ya need a copper roof tho'....or slate.(G)
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This file is getting to be a monster. 16 or 17 90k pics in a Flash really adds up. We've probably spooked all the dial-up folks from loading it, because it probably takes them 4-7 mins to dl it. And as nice as Mike's pics are, I don't think I'd wait around 7 mins to see 'em.
And we shoulda had Mike taking pics from the back side. Looks like that is where the house's character is gonna be (other than the guy building it).
jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
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man.. that just knocks me out !
i guess as it progresses you could offer up an edited version eliminating about every two out of three... but it's hard to say which ones to keep , and which to lose
anyways , thanks again Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You may already know this.... I'm not sure what "density" your individual photos are in that shockwave file. But if you save them at 72 pixels/inch, they will be smaller sized in bytes. All you need for web pics is 72 pixels/inch.
But if you save them at 72 pixels/inch, they will be smaller sized in bytes. All you need for web pics is 72 pixels/inch
I could have cropped them all too. That last Flash was like 600x450 or so. If I'd dropped it to about 400x350, it probably would have been 1/3 the file size. Plus I could have cropped the pictures in such a way as to reduce the difference of angle.
But Mike's camera's pics Flash really well and I hated to alter them. If you've seen a few of the other Flash I've made for other people, some of their animations are REALLY fuzzy.
Probably need to do something though, because there aren't that many broadband folks hereabouts. :)
jt8
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Well, those things are really cool, John. Whatever you do.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
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What's that grey box sitting in the corner?
Suggestion box, maybe you guys are voting on something?
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tmil....
i don't understand your question.... the pieces are not in the same plane, if that's what you mean.. the common rafter ( 10/12 pitch ) gets nailed to the side of the dormre rafter ( 4/12 pitch ) and the ceiling joist
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yeah... go stillers !
uh...... cower power !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I like,
"does the Pope wear a funny hat?"
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while we're on the subject?
way back when ... I was working with my buddy Joe ...
the project was to frame a roof ... barrel vault ... exposed barrel vaul on the interior also ... around a round top window ... and said barrel was to come off a gable dormer.
the job site discussion ... how was that intersection to look after it was all drywalled?
an elipse? a point? a combo?
my vote ... "the popes hat" ...
and that's what we ended up with ... after much framing and belt sanding.
not by choice ... just what she gave us.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
One of my favorites " is a 4lb robin fat?" DanT
Eric:
You are right - we don't see too many capes anymore, especially now that I live in NC. I grew up in a cape in VA and my parents lived there to the end - later, on the first floor - the washer/dryer was in the basement, which my mom endured... She didn't complain much after having lived through "the depression".
I'm guessing that capes are considered a classic style in New England though.
My bossman says that he doesn't want to build story and a halfs. - says we can build a full 2 story for only a little more and maximize his profit per unit while at the same time getting the homeowner more sq footage for the dollar. Ground floor masters are popular though...
Mike, I don't build many houses,(7 in the last 15 years) but in our area, it is really tough for a little guy to find a customer anywhere near that SF price range. The vast majority of homes built around here are tract homes in the 2000-2500 SF range that sell for $250,000 including lot.There are affluent areas that generate homes from $400,000 to $1 1/2 million, but I have yet to penetrate that market. :-) Those contractors sub out almost all labor. They have showroom offices, sales and marketing people, full time job superintendants. just about everything I don't have, or don't desire to have. I guess we are lucky when we find a customer willing to have a house built by a true carpenter/builder, rather tha a marketing genious.I just wish I could figure out how to build to a high standard and still turn a profit.John Svenson, builder, remodeler, NE Ohio
svenny... it remains to be seen if we can turn a profit on this one.. in the meantime... i'll just enjoy the rideMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Your Coments are genius and right on!
Ive lost a few house's due too big cost difference's
bid a house just this fall my # 385,000 (crossed my tees and dotted my I's (granite,marvin windows,tile and glass work,shower pans, front and rear staircase). Big builders # 285,000. I did not get the job The women was a friend of a friend and I found out later that she had to pay for anything that was above builders grade.
That whole builders grade S%#t ticks me off!!! It makes us look like we all use crap.
-Lou
That whole builders grade S%#t ticks me off!!! It makes us look like we all use crap.
I'm at a different point of the equation. To me I like to see the low grade crap. For instance when I was walking through an open house on a new construction down the street from my project house. Those $30 ceiling fans, the cheap berber carpet, the $10 light fixtures. Suddenly I realize that the bar isn't nearly as high as I thought it was. ;)
(by the by, IMHO all ceiling fans should be Hunter)jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
Wow! - I really didn't expect you to "share" that much info.... Hope you don't feel like I bullied you into disclosure...
And your formulas are very interesting, - the way you weight certain items - The house looked much bigger than that in the pics.
>> 2d floors i figure at 50% << Is that because it's a story and a half (cape)? Would you use maybe a 70% figure for a full 2nd story? We would charge extra for a basement - roughly $55/sq ft finished with no bath/etc but that's because houses around here usually don't come with basements. Sounds like you have maybe 20k extra in septic and site work (NC prices).
So, if you mind me greatly oversimplifying things it sounds like the HO is getting roughly 2140 heated sq ft for $480k = ~ $225/heated sq foot. Allowing that the house has some normal unheated sq footage like front porch & 2 car garage, but some extras like 2 decks and a screened porch but maybe traded off for them to do some painting and the unfinished space. Or, as you said, $185 EFFSF - equivalent first floor square footage - I like it! If you don't mind, I'm gonna store away your formulas for later consideration/modification and possible use. I'll bet there will be a bunch of other people taking notes too...
No - I don't think you are in trouble. But then again I think your labor costs are vastly different. And - you run a very different type of operation in that you have full time carpenters-jack-of-all-trades in your employment; I'd guess one of your greatest assets - who I gather might do 60% of the work... and who aren't cheap! We sub it all out, and have like 1 or 2 "punch guys" in the whole company. Some may say it is the easy way out, but since I do most of my own punch work you better believe I drive my subs for quality work - otherwise the $hit runs right down to me... Your method gives you much more quality control but also puts you on the scaffolding.
On the other hand right now I'm managing construction of a ~50k sq ft apartment complex and you better believe that I'm a lot more of a manager and the tools stay in the truck... This project was dumped on just at drywall time when someone quit - what a mess!
And yes - I think you deliver a great value product. BTW - I'm trying to get my wife and I into something roughly that size but haven't made the "sale" yet... It will take me a few years, but I will prevail ;-)
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This ones gor you Giffer;
I never mentioned the time that the Katrina threads took me and I dont want to take note of it now .
Through that I realized the time it must have taken to put on a fest and find the time to do all the legwork plus the show . Then there was the money and confirmations my buddy Bucky took lightly. No offense Bucky.
You did all that and now this thread . The time it takes just to post pics and read and respond to the replies . Id like to mention one more thing that needs mentioned in my view. Opening your job up for daily visits from this board. Letting everyone see every thing you do and sharing . Even the routing of the mistake they caught and your willingness to go back and make it right . As Andy might say , I F up every day and Im not sure I would want it viewed. <G> So now youve opened your home and your job for everyone to share . Im glad to know you even if you are a Pats die hard fan. I work hard at over looking that slight fault.
My hats off to ya and thanks for being here .
Now if I can catch up on this thing. Ive already learned a lot .
Tim
so , tim.. have you booked a spot for TipiFest yet ?... 'bout time you brought your bride east to meet some of these people you've been hanging out withMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's one for you......
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randy was hauling gravel fill again today, so the front is almost to finish grade
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Mike,
Seahawks will win 20-17
:=)
Put a chainsaw on it?
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It's only satisfying if you eat it.
OH ITS ON NOW!! :-) The thing is, (imagine really really whiny voice) we've never had a team in the superbowl before and we need a trophy.
(imagine really really whiny voice)
Something like Bill Gates?
I almost feel bad for you, but you have all that rain to cheer you up.
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I guess. I hope he knows I was just busting stones. Forgot the LOL.
Besides, my over confidence has already jinxed the Steelers. I usually go into a game thinking they are going to lose.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
Wow, Mike, I just got though the bazillion post thread, and wanted to thank you for the journal approach. Love the pics, always learn something.
I am surprised the client hasn't chosen a more aggressive "view optimizing" approach...either more windows, a widows walk deck up top, or some form of third floor.
I would say the neighbors should be counting their lucky stars! Your client could REALLY rain on their parade if he wanted to, LOL.
So...siding? I'm doing a house with cedar shingles, woven corners, flared and so on, and like the challenge and look. I know you are a shingling master...so is this a shingle job too? I imagine it would look great in a white cedar weathered gray.Jake Gulick
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jake.... the clients think just like you, but the big decks... big windows & the widows walk went to the lawyers just defending their deed
the siding will be Hardie plank at 6" exposure... kinda "lace-curtain" cape cod... hope you like it Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
A Pity, Mike. Seems like whenever the lawyers get involved, everyone but the legal beagles loses.
Maybe they can sneak a deck up there in the future after they finish, and can't stand life without you around!Jake Gulick
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Black Rock, CT
Sticks and stones won't break my bones (cuz I'm a framer who uses a wormdrive) and your words will come back to haunt you . . . . . . . . . . . . .
That was a pretty good come back though. About time someone teases me back :-)
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Blue, I thought you were the one disabling the guards on your saws?
I don't disable my guard, I remove it entirely.
But, what does that have to do with some guy that is obviously about to lose his leg or his nutz?!!!
blue
irony?
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jeff..... who you got bets down with ? find anyone who wants the Hawks ?...
maybe Blodgett will take some of that..... Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
jim..... the rake overhangs ?
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anything less than 12" we frame this way with the 2x4 ladder... wider than that we'd cantilever back into the 2d or 3d rafter
yes... it was an exciting day... see how much shape up we can get today, i'm hoping for some strategic rafter pairs to lock the ridge... and probably the 38' wall for the shed dormerMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
If you like good weather, looks like you'll be working saturday again this week.
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taking no action.
we're both trying something new this time around ... me and the Steelers ...
me ... I'm not betting on them ...
and them ... they're winning!
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But, what does that have to do with some guy that is obviously about to lose his leg or his nutz?!!!
Blue, you don't know what you are talking about. You really don't. You have more risk of kickback with your guardless saw than I do in that situation with the chainsaw. Yes the chainsaw can kick back. Yes your saw can kick back. However in the situation I'm using the chainsaw, it isn't going to kick back.
Let me ask you a question, what does it take for your circ saw to kick back? Can you avoid that happening 100% of the time all the time?
tim... i'm not the greatest carpenter, and not the greatest logger.. and i'm not that rugged either.. but i've been around circular saws and chain saws since say 1969.....
i don't know why... but i've never had a chain saw kick back .. and i've never had a circular saw kick back... either i'm lucky or i have some kind of unconcious technique thta prevents it..
i do know one thing .. 99% of the time i use both hands.. and i never force the work..
now... table saws ????? i've certainly been around those nasty things and the things they like to kick back at you... and my old radial arm saw was quite interesting too
i would bet that neither you , nor blue has much trouble with sawsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the only way a chainsaw is going to kick is if the end of the bar comes into contact with something, and the downward motion of the chain rotates the tip up. (the tip is the only spot that is round like a circular saw blade) otherwise it is either going to pull the saw into the work or push it out. the photos i've see here seem to have show cutting with the top side of the bar, which would tend to push the saw up.
No Tim, I can't avoid my saw kicking back 100% of the time. Therefore, I take care of how close I put my nutz to it and I get into a solid position to hold it. In essence, I'm always prepared for the worst to happen, if at all possible.
You don't seem to be making any attempt to position yourself in a manner that gives you the maximum leverage. You seem to be settling for a significantly reduced leverage position. I can understand that happening in certain situations, but I wouldn't choose to se easily give away my leverage. Call me stupid, but maybe 30 years of handling saws has made me paranoid.
When that chain breaks and whips out, it'll probably only cut off one of your nuggets. You really don't need both of them, so stand anywhere you want.
blue
Blue,
I love you man. I really do and you figured me out. I'm trying to avoid paying for the surgery necessary to guarantee I won't have kids. :-) Call it permanent birthcontrol.
LOL, Anybody that'll argue with a Blue Eyed Devil has nutz to spare anyway;)
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Now that is funny :-) That is really funny
"......anyways i routed a 1/4" off the top of the LVL beam "
Ohh ... Great!
that top 1/4" is where ALL the strength is!
gonna fall down now ... better tear down and start over ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Good thing you didn't use a steel I-beam instead of that LVL. You'd go through a lot of router bits shaving down an I-beam. :-)
What species is that Austrian lumber? Did you have a choice in the matter or is that just what your supplier sent?
phil: the grade stamp says Spruce.... i spec'd #1 or #2 KD SPF, so i guess i got what i ordered..
i was just surprised that wood from Austria could be competitive in our marketMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
i was just surprised that wood from Austria could be competitive in our market
Maybe they are selling off the Black Forest over there real cheap. Or some Olde World barns are being reclaimed. Could be Count Drakula's wooden castle parts.
From the pictures, that lumber looks better than a lot I've seen around here.
hey Tim
I hope to see you in your framing gig Port Orchard way someday and I can't help but think better form would be for you to be on top of your rafters on the other side of your line on your knees
you playing w / fire
That angle looks scary. Check these out from last week of me and of Jasen and then some I took last spring.
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/126965327.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/126965328.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/126965332.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/89601176.jpg
by the way, I've talked to guys who've done this for a long time and they've never seen the saw kick back gang cutting like this. The pieces fall off and nothing binds. It looks dangerous, but like nearly all aspects of framing, it can be done safely or not.
Mike,
Sorry for the temp hijack.
I used to use chain saws a lot, doing landscape maint. for the state highway dep't. Just because it feels safe, and some guys haven't seen them kick back under those circumstances, don't assume it can't or won't. A good framer I know has a gnarly scar on his forehead from a kickback he never thought would happen.
The best policy is to keep your body out of the line of fire. Same thing as with a Skilsaw - always try to foresee the possible kickback, and stay out of the projected path. I agree that you ought to try cutting from above. Those pics give me the heebie jeebies. But cool saw, and cool system. Love those cut-and-stacks!
tim : what hi-jack was that ?
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that's a nice shot, shows some of the advantages ..Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
I won't hijack anymore. I promise. Last 2 pics
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/127190525.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/127190527.jpg
Looks like Jasen is coming right along, Tim. Nice to have a work partner who's into it, huh?TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
Jim,
You are right. He came to work here about 4 years ago and had 2 years experience as a commercial guy and did trim, concrete, framing and he had a few years experience before that framing, siding, foundations. We complement each other really well. He is more of an artist and I'm a brute :-)
He calc'd and cut that entire roof and everything worked out on the money. I don't have a pic of the exterior since the roofing went on or the garage yet, but here is what we did last week http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9094915/126297529.jpg
We framed the upstairs walls, and built that roof in 2 1/2 days and then a day for Jasen and Kyle to sheathe it. Matt and I framed the upstairs interior walls while Kyle and Jasen cut the roof. We figured it was 56 jacks 12 commons 4 hips and 72 birdblocks (cut and nailed), so that is about 144 rafters and then around 20 or so ceiling joists. I'm still tired :-) Took about 3 1/2 hours to stack the roof and birdblock.
I can't say enough about working with a good crew who work hard, want to learn and have a great sense of humor
Hey Tim, impressive saw! Checking out those offcuts in that first picyure-sure hope you didn't have a pile of rafters somewhere on that job that was 5 feet too short! :-)John Svenson, builder, remodeler, NE Ohio
Ya, I wondered if someone would notice that. That was the first time my side kick figured up the roof load and had extra 22'ers, but it worked out because those turned into the smallest jacks on the garage and then birdblocks.
Tim, aren't you about due for a new Photo Gallery thread? Got any new jobs starting?
[edit] I might be in the minority here, but it looks to me like that plate mounted on the chainsaw would make it a whole lot easier to control, less likely to bind, less likely to miscut...which all translates to less chance to kick back.
jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
Edited 1/26/2006 12:31 pm by JohnT8
You are correct. Its one of those things that you just have to try.
I'm due to put some new pictures up of the house we framed last spring. Trim should be done this week, the painting, landscaping should be done. Hardwood is back ordered. I'll try and get pics this week.
We have a couple of houses coming up this spring early summer that will be cool. The first one we will use the TrusJoist rafter system. We've got a custom of the same house on a lake that will have a nice view, so I'll post pics of that.
"Good thing you didn't use a steel I-beam instead of that LVL."LMAO
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Whew, now THAT's going the extra quarter inch for the customer!I don't suppose the crew had any complaints?
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no complaints about the beam... but they were pretty pooped handling those 2x10's..
me ..... i was relieved to see them on the deck when i got backMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike do you have any pictures of that LVL shaving sled you used with your router? I've been getting alot of crappy LVL's lately some as wide as 12 3/4 on the ends only. Kind of hard to lay a good subfloor over something that far out of whack.
I've been trying to come up with a good idea for the sled and am not having any luck.You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
no, i don't.. but it was real easy..
two pieces of 3/4 advantech about 6" x 4' , two pieces of 1x3 furring 4'.. nailed to the advantech so they formed side stops for my router base...
ie: when the router bit was just hitting the edge of the advantech the base was riding along the furring.. then i nailed cross pieces at each end so the two sides were about two inches apart
the router rides on the advantech rails and you have a two inch slot between them to work the material... you could position the sled with just hand pressure or by kneeling on it..
if you have a two depth stop on your router you can make the first pass 1/8 and come back with the second pass for another 1/8
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Thanks Mike
I already borrowed your I-joist sled idea and it works great, this should be another good one to add to my bag of tricks.You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
Mike, it looks like you're having a lot of fun with that sled. One question though: why wouldn't you size the materials on the horses before they are nailed together and just use a power saw?
Am I missing something here?
blue
blue.... i decided after posting some pics of the LVL beam ..
a discussion ensued about the different shrink rates of the LVL beam and the joists hanging off it..
i decided i didn't want the beam to be flush, but rather to recess it 1/4" below the tops of the joists... so.. the sled and the router fixed itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
no pics today.. our grandson is in town and i forgot the camera at home
mostly partitions , window trim & rough stairs todayMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Darn mike, like going to the serial film and the projector breaks.
Hey to Phalen.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
No pics!!!!??!
If you truly loved us, you would have done some renderings.
blue
Yah, shrinkage is what comes after...
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"I'm still trying to figure out why Brian wants turtlenecks on his ball valves""Yah, shrinkage is what comes after..."I think that is the problem. If the balls get cold they shrink, and then you know what happens.
Yeah, you guys work about as slow as a flash fire in August hay field! NOT!
From your pics, that Austrian joist lumber looks better than a lot of "finish" grade lumber I see sold in the big box stores. What species is it?
phil... my education comes from framers like joe, tim, brian and blue... and guys like you asking the right questions
not a day goes by that i don't have to ask the same questions , often times i get the answer cruising these threads..
for instance... brian was talking about load paths.. boy , it is so easy to screw those up.. especially when you deviate from someone else's plan..
these were drawn by me, but they were all reviewed by the engineering dept. of my lumber company.... they come up with some things that make you stop and think about either using their solution ( buy more engineered lumber products ) or going back to the code book to double check alternativesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
could you post the brand or where you got those turnbuckles? Thanks!
i don't think they have a brand.. i think you just go to a contractor's supply yard that caters to heavy & highway forming.. say someone who would sell "Symonds" concrete forms
the turnbuckles are generic in higway concrete form work.. they cost about $25 each..
and i've been using them fro about 4 years now.. wish i had them 30 years agoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Nice work Mike and I am really jealous of the dry weather. Today was like 35 or 37 and raining. I'm sick of it.
I like your pneumatic glue gun. We bought one back in May and just love that thing. I like the look of the new Ridgid too because you don't need a hose.
tim... that air powered glue gun has been a god-send..
hope to be ready for second floor joists tomorrowMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Good thread, sounds balmy there today. Was zero here at 8 AM but it did warm up to 20s by late afternoon and the wind finally died down. Looking closely at the picture of your box header got me to wondering about the framing in general and since I can't tell from the other pictures, are those 2x4 walls?
the kneewall in the basement was 2x6 @ 16"
the rest of the walls are 2x4 @ 16".. but they will be Mooney Wall before we're thruMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Thanks for the info. I followed some of the "Mooney wall" threads and figured that was what you had planned. I've used another variation where we did 2x6 exterior walls w/ FG batts, a layer of 2" thermax (no thermal bridging through the frame), then a 2x4 wall inside of that (also w/FG batts). All framing is 16". No penetrations in the 2x6 shell, all utilities run through the interior wall system. I think this is a variation of what some refer to as "Canadian double wall". It's rugged and very snug, but I've been wondering how cost/benefit compares with Mooney wall.
Hey Mike,
The house progression looks great. I looked back at previous threads to find out what a Mooney wall was and realized that you furr out the walls horizontally to basically create nailers for stand up blueboard (as you explained so well in the old threads). I am assuming that you furr out the ceilings as well? The reason I ask is that this is the same process that was taught to me as a youngster in central Massachusetts. By furring out all the framing on the interior, a huge amount of lateral strength for the building is gained. Correct me if you disagree.
When I came down to Connecticut and saw drywall for the first time I was amazed by it, being so used to blueboard and skimcoat. Everyone looked at me like I had lost my mind.
If you don't mind me asking (it was probably mentioned in the thread somewhere) what do you normally charge to construct a house that size and do you build in the misquamicut to green hill area?
The CM
Edited 1/17/2006 3:26 pm ET by the cm
"By furring out all the framing on the interior, a huge amount of lateral strength is gained."
I don't think you gain any strength at all, as long as the outide of the studs has sheathing on it. The studs are already braced.
That's not to say there aren't other benefits - I just don't think it adds strength.
It's no accident that stressed spelled backwards is desserts.
It's no accident that stressed spelled backwards is desserts.
lol. Another great quote.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
Hi Boss,
What I meant was basically tying in the gable ends and stabilizing the bottom of the joists. I find that without furring, a gable end wall on smaller buildings has a tendency to be less stable than with furring, unless of course there is plywood installed on top of the attic floor.
For example, on a one floor ranch, without plywood or a strongbacks of some kind on the attic floor, the gable ends are not tied in to the building very well. I think the second biggest advantage to furring the ceilings is to even out the dimensional lumber crowns and width differences creating ultra smooth ceilings. The old school ball breaker that I apprenticed with (last century) painted all his ceilings with high gloss white and every imperfection showed. I really miss that guy.
The CM
email me and send me your tel. #.. i don't want to discuss price on this forumMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
I noticed when you braced the basement wall, the turnbuckle was on top, and you had drilled a stake hole through the 2x4. Mine have a hole in the plate, so it can be staked through. I like having the turnbuckles down where I (5'7") can reach them. Nice looking job. I use the lumber strapping for tilt ups too. Adds great security. We usually hang the plywood down to the sill, but install it before tilting up. Then nail off after the wall is stood. I originally thought this was going to be a weather related thread. Bet you wish it was! I hear what you are saying about finding the right customer, for new homes. I'm only doing about 1 a year, if not 18 months. Too many folks looking for McMansions, with little style or quality. That's just not my thing. Brudoggie
bru.... duh....
ok , next time i'll turn them upside down and stake them direct !!!!!
man, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees,......... thanksMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
No sweat, you owe me a cold one!
I thought it would work because I have what appears to be the exact same turnbuckles. Austria, hey? Been getting quite a bit from Germany, and parts of the old USSR, here. Nice stuff, no wane. All is quiet on the neighbor front, or are you under a gag order now? :) Keep posting, looking good. It's nice to see somone elses progression, for comparison. Although, I've got a ways to go to catch up with your operation. Brudoggie
a little warmer than yesterday.... 24 deg when we started, but it was gloves off by 9 am..
here's my plan table...
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finished the front wall, double plated... then built the center bearing wall...
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tate.... that was fantastic !
...... here's another for your collection
we got this 2d floor framing delivery with a knuckle boom, so we had them put it on the breezeway deck
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sooo ...
yer planning a rock garden?
go stillers!
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Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I think that it is amunition for the neighbors.
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hey, interesting thing... that lift of 2x12 / 16' ... came from Austria ???????
man, is that weird or what ?
this canadian lumber dispute is strange , huh ?
like my rock collection ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Love the rock collection. I've got a brick collection on my own plan table right now, in fact. I throw them at the help when they get too chatty or start rubber-necking. I started a new frame today. Directly across the street from Newton North High School. Someone's gonna lose a finger on this job. Incidently, the builder I'm working for built Jason Varitek's house last year... right up the road from my site. Wish I got that job.
The frame looks great Mike. I really envy the position you're in right now. (Not that position) I mean building a whole house, dirt to finish. I've never done it and am afraid I'll never get to. I'm just not skilled enough in multiple trades to make it cost-effective. It's the big down-side to being a specialized sub and maybe going out on my own before I got to experience more. Maybe someday, I'll burn out and come work for you. Now that'd be nice.
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I got a load of 1x6 D select pine yesterday from Sweden. I thought it odd at the time, I didn't realize we were at war with Canada.--------------------------
It's only satisfying if you eat it.
and the end-of-day shot from the PK nail in the road...
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Edited 1/16/2006 6:24 pm ET by MikeSmith
Why not...
raise the mid course of ply to 4' from the bottom of the sill to allow for a full sheet?
Not a critique! Education only.
I love watching the work and I'm amazed at the dexterity you have with the project.
Troy Sprout
Square, Level & Plumb Renovations
Edited 1/16/2006 6:59 pm by Hackinatit
the code says tie to the sill, and lap 16" up onto the stud , then you also have to tie to the top plate, and down 16" onto the stud
if there is a 2d floor , you have to tie 16" below the bottom of the top plate of the first floor , and 16" onto the stud of the 2d floor.... all in all, keeps me scratching my head.....
this is still superior to fooling with all of the metal straps and tie-downs you have to use if you don't tie the plywood sheathingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
matt... i always have trouble with the HTML.. for instance.. yours displays as a little square with a red -x- in it... and lots of posts that i look at have the same display
a little square with a red -x- and a line outline of a box the size of the pic
i find it a lot easier to copy/paste
btw..... nice framing details
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http://www.bergerbros.com/BergerAccuVent.pdf
Check this out Mike. I thought of you the minute I saw it.
I tried to copy and past a pic but couldn't, so you'll have to open the link. I think you'll find it interesting.
E
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that's pretty cool... the first pic wouldn't work for dens-pak... the cells would flow around the sides
the second pic has some good possibilities.. especially with a little gunfoam to seal the cracks
and apparently my roofing suppy house has access to Berger products since that's where this UDL came fromMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike: Yea, I messed it up the first time so I deleted the post. Then I had to go to work... Let me try it again...
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OK - your way is easier... I think... So, insert pic using "attach files" button, click preview button at bottom of screen, click on icon to view picture, right click on pic and select "copy", Use browser's "back" button to look at text again, click "revise" button near bottom of window to see standard entry screen, and <ctrl-v> to paste the pic directly in the posting...
Got it. The idea was that I was trying to answer Stinger's Q (Gene?) of how to put pics directly in your post but looks like I learned a new way too.
BTW - re the framing detail, I showed that a year or 2 ago here and one of our regular framer's here hated it.... you can guess why... It can be a pain... I think it makes for a real structurally sound rake though... Sometimes you will see 100 yr old houses with the rakes drooping but I see it as more of a problem with modern houses once they age 25 or 50 years, with this cheap azz OSB most people use now aday.... The same thing can be duplicated with stick framing only normally the 2x4 lookouts are let into the top of the rafter - the 2x4s on the flat - that is a very common stick detail around here - can't find a pic right now... Great detail for wide overhangs - 16", 24" etc.
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we did a drop -truss gable end about 2000 .. Cadioli was staying with us..
here's some pics of that..
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since it was a cathedral ceiling with a scissors truss , we sheathed the gable with 3" eps foam ( we used the same thing in the basement walls )
so it looks like it's not a dropped truss
also , i noticed that mark got something in his eye
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3" foam? Never seen that...or was that a typo? Was the whole house sheathed with it?
Edited 2/18/2006 5:41 pm ET by Matt
I REALLY like drop truss supported overhangs. On stick framed roofs I accomplish the same thing by framing the gable wall 3+1/2" short of the top plane of the rafters.
Good detail - stout, easy to remember for infrequent framers.TIPI,TIPI,TIPI!
Me too, 'course we stick frmae here too
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yes , 3" foam with osb out & blueboard in.... just on the upper gable endMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's how that gable end turned out..
oh, and i remember where that 3" foam came from.. it was some of that vented foam panels for ceiling/ roofing we had enough sheets left over from another job to do the upper gable on one end
blue board interior, 3" foam, 1/2" osb vent strips, 1/2" osb exterior, so we could shingle right to it
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Edited 2/19/2006 12:40 am ET by MikeSmith
Looks nice Mike. Insulating the gable end of a vaulted ceiling on a truss roof is normally weak at best. Truss manufacturers don't seem to take it into consideration either - or at least not that I've seen. You have a great solution.
The cornice returns on that house.... I like the look but would like to know... Would you consider those historically appropriate or more of a modern look? I mean I know that most of what you build seems to have a classic New England look... BTW - we almost never see "shingle houses" around here in NC.
hard to put your finger on "classic New England".. cape cod had a very austere plain-jane look
no rake overhang... very small eave cornice, no cornice returns
then you get into the Federalist period, which probably influences most in the neo -colonial look
that example i call my early Craftsman... i had been looking at a lot of Greene & Greene
i do tend to mix things up a lot.. and they all mostly just miss... mostly i wind up with some feature that i really like.. someday before i die, i'll put the whole package together in one house/ remodel
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Matt,I notch my fly rafters into the rafters also. Here's pictures of the addition I framed with 2' fly rafters and one shot of an addition I just framed with 1' fly.Joe Carola
That's the stick detail I was talking about - on one or 2 pics, you really do have them tied way back into the commons...
"That's the stick detail I was talking about - on one or 2 pics, you really do have them tied way back into the commons"I don't know about being way back but they’re far enough back to do the job.Joe Carola
Hi Mike,
I've been following your thread with great interest and appreciation, and I'd like to add my compliments to the many others you have received. Your combination of competence, skill, and knowledge together with your willingness to learn and try something new is a gift to us all. Plus the excellent job of sharing it all so openly and well illustrated, thanks.I stumbled across this product, and thought you might find it of interest. I have never much liked the propavent solution to venting, and found this while looking for a solution to an unvented fiberglass insulated roof that is soaking wet. I don't know how to embed the actual link, but here is the website: http://weidmann-industrial.com/tuffvent.htmlThanks again for an extraordinary thread, Daniel
another one that looks interesting..
my inclination after the last 5 - 6 years would be to do a hot roof , with no ventilation.. but until the shingle mfr's & the building code fully allow it with no reduction in warranty....
i'll keep venting where possible... Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I used about 120 of those Accuvent combo seal/chute things, last fall. With trusses, we had to do a little work to seal at the in-betweens. With a stick rafter arrangement, less work is needed.
A little foamseal at the edges, and you are ready for DensPac.
I think my cost was about $1 per.
Mike, are you slacking?
blue
jim... i'm always slacking.. just got back from gainesville.. helen got back from charlotte.. gotta go see what's left of the jobsite.. i think the guys sold everything at the flea market to raise cashMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
How to dry in a house in 30 seconds :
(darn pics got fuzzy when I shrunk them)
jt8
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Edited 3/29/2006 9:25 am by JohnT8
Cool! That's a hard 30 seconds.
another dry hole on the water main search... so we moved to the sewer hookup
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and we started setting the BigFoot/sonotubes for the deck & screened porch.. here's one of the BF24's with a 10" sonotube attached
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and a couple more lined up ready for tomorrow.. concrete scheduled for 1300 hrs.
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Roy & Dave ( my SIL ) set the garage/breezeway door
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& the front door..
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the new poly 5/4 x4 casing is just the ticket
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Mike, That walk plank doesn't look OSHA approved :) And where's the handrails? Looking good!! If the lawsuit doesn't work out, you could probably just move that garage to another location, in one piece. Be a shame to tear it down. Keep up the great work!! Brudoggie
this one ?... i think they're approaching 20 years .. these two old friends
but i don't think they'll leave here in any thing other than a dumpster
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sign them and put them up for bid on Ebay!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
yeah, but.....
could i keep a straight face when Yellow Freight pulls up for the consignment ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
really dragging today.. mostly cause of this guy, Phalen... AKA: Typhoid Larry
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Helen pointed out the door to the sunroom was all smudges at his hand and nose level.......so , he gets another name.... AKA: Smudgey... reminds me of when we had a big dog.. his nose always hit those same lights
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anyways.. i've been hurting since the day before they left ( Wednesday ) and Helen was laid low today.. but you all know we'd rather have them with us , flu and all
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Mike, We went through the flu about 2 weeks ago. Actually had to take my son to the hospital. High temp, and dehydrated. Took us each a good week to get back to normal. Hope your's is easier. It's tough to go to work , when you feel that bad. I like that Smudgy nickname. The windows in my wifes truck usually look like that, only from the ####. He goes almost everywhere, with her. I know what to do with those planks. Build a coffin for Mr. Adverse, and set it on display in "no mans land" :) Have a good one!
Brudoggie
>AKA: Typhoid Larry
Ha, my daughter is widely known at Typhoid Mary. One day about 2 years ago she and mom were nearby and stopped at work for lunch on a Fri.
Mon. morning everyone at work has about the same conversation. Talking about being near death on Sat. When the head count was done 21 people had severe G.I. distress (puking and ####). 3 people didn't make it to work on Mon. And one spent 3 days in the hospital.
The common thread was traced to the lunchroom. Anyone eating in there or after my daughter was done for.
Then we recalled the little one being a little sick the previous day. It seemed almost routine for a 1yr old, but destroyed half of my workplace.
Then she did the same the next christmas. Puking during dinner and passing it on to everyone the next day.
good memories.
splat
no pics today.. had to go to another job for some prep work beffore my plasterer comes in on wednesday..
this other job was a broken heat pipe undetected for two days..
the insurance company already had it gutted and cleaned .. so now we're putting it back together
tomorrow ( weather permitting ) we'll finish the water line and the stairs on the adverse jobMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and Chuck is still among the missing.. no word on their baby yet... let's get some good karma going here for Charley J. and Momma
Roy and Mike did a lot of housekeeping , and some of the last of the mooney wall
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stripped the stoop,
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and set the ledgers for the screened porch and the deck
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anyways , i did manage to pull myself together enough to rough the stairs for the first landing
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and the plumber was busy with his rough-in
here's the 4' shower
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and the Washer hookup
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Mike, the house is looking great. I'm surprised to see fiberglas tub enclosures though.
I see copper in shower
is that Pex on washer hookup?
i think he uses the copper to give the shower valve more rigidity, but i'm just guessing...
he usually runs pex where possible
as to the fiberglass units.... just personal preference... besides price, some don't like cleaning grout lines in tile showersMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I chose fiberglass to avoid grout lines too Mike. It is a personal choice. I also choose to like vinyl windows too. I know they are an inferior product just like the tubs...but to me, they are "superior!".
The term adverse possession dates back to old English common law. The adage "possession is nine tenths of the law" is more than just a cute saying.
In the olden days, if you wanted to own the castle, you had to fight and win it. It was then yours till you lost it. Hence the term "adverse possession".
In my old neighborhood on the lake, we had a lot of properties in the neighborhood that needed to invoke the adverse possession law. The lot lines were running down the center of about ten houses in a row. In the absence of an adverse possession law, we all would have had to tear down the houses and rebuild. If no one challenges a renaming of lot lines, the properties are won by acquiesence laws. If there is a dipute, the landholders use the adverse possession law to lay claim and demand a judgess ruling. If the property has been held long enough, it legally goes to the lanholder, not the land claimer.
We had one lawsuit in the neighborhood. The bad guys lost after sinking about 10 or 15k into the lawsuit. Ironically, he will be able to re-establish his lot lines by taking the 15' from his SISTER! They are both a-holes and they deserve this predicament. I can't wait to see them fighting each other in court! LOL!
Sorry for higjacking but I was just answering a quiestion from above.
Keep up the good work MIke.
blue
blue.. your method of survey is what ? the grid , right ? usually referred to as "township & range"...
this was the survey adopted to open the NorhtWest territories and reward the veterans of th Revolutionary War
well in New England it isn't the same method.. it's metes & bounds
in a metes and bounds .. the property runs from points defined on the ground, and identifiable
"from the stone wall on the south west corner of said Hiram Chase's property, 310.2 ft. northwesterly , bounded by the land , now or formerly of Ezekiel Hopkins"
see, only in a town ship and range survey could they screw up ownership so badly that all those houses would have the lines running thru them
Adverse Possession does serve a public good in some instances..
in this case it was merely an attempt to steal my customer's land
"some'll rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen"
i've got great little book you'd really enjoy reading..
"Measuring America" by Andro Linklater.. want me to send it along ?
i do want it back though
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"Diary of an Early American Boy" is a novel based on a diary that Eric Sloan had found of a 15 year old boy in 1805. It is based in CT.One of the stores is about "walking" the boundaries. There where two reason, one to check for encourgement. The other is that many of points where not always unique and not always fixed (which rock is the "large one by the creek and where is the oak tree that died 5 years ago).They would take the children (eldest son, don't remember) and walk the boundries and would hit him with a small switch to "help them remember". There was phrase for that, but I forgot what it was.
my FIL and his abuttor in NH blazed their mutual bound every year..
and my wife continued it after he passed..
doesn't take long for the brush to reclaim it's wildernessMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
hey guys, how do I make my pictures smaller when I post?
Thank you, Lou
well, most download a freeware program called
IrfanView...
google on it.. works great
me, i changed the resolution on my camera so it shoots just what ai want to postMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Just wanted to add to the ones who need this fix every day. Love the thread, its great.
Thanks
Mike, here in Michigan we have both methods. In fact, the error was discovered when the first mortgage (escalating property values created a need for a mortgage) was ordered on the lake. When the error was discovered, eight properties were lumped into a new description that converted to a metes and bounds description. Each property owner had to quit claim some property from one to the other to make things right. No one was supposed to gain or lose property.
Well, I discovered about 8 years later when I was building my barn, that my neighbor actually gained 6' of lakefront and that he was the main organizer of the re-describing effort (this happened before I moved there). This was a clear case of land grabbing at someone's expense and he didn't care who he got it from.
Wellll, after a long drawn out battle that involved two other members of his family, they got their just reward: they lost 15' of prime lakefront property and essentially turned a friendly lake enviorment into a constant battleground...all for 6' of frontage.
The guy used to have free reign to walk and use about 1200' of waterfront. He could have enjoyed that extra 6' anytime he wanted until he got greedy and wanted to steal it. He ended up with his 56' of frontage and if he walks around the road he can visit his relative on their isolated pieces too.
Thanks for the offer of the book, but I'm afraid that I'm not good at returning things. I also know I won't be reading any books for the next half year or so.
blue
Blue - thanks for the explanation of where the term came from.
and Friday's offering...
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Get a new truck ? or did the pranksters paint your old one ?
that's the tin-knocker's truck, they're running the main trunk in the basementMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Brad the plumber was inside roughing the fixtures
here's the shower..
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and the main drain..
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a two-bowl vanity vent...
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and the upstairs bath
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ok, john ...outstanding flash !..
now you can make it 32 seconds
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Very cool...
Your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime - Mose Allison
today we were going to dig the water main no matter what
the main is in mr.adverse's front ...but it is on the town ROW.. so even though they claim that it is private property .. it isn't ... anyways , we're a little tired of confrontation so the owner asked the police to observe..
we had a Lt. and a patrolman for about an hour... but mr. adverse never came out of his house..
here's the water company guy mugging for the camera
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and tapping the main
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and my plumber, my digger, the digger's helper, and the plumber's helper.. all doing their part to supervise the operation
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then randy backfilled after we laid 75' of 1" copper to the new curb stop
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we spent the morning setting the BigFoot / sonotubes
well some of us did... Chuck called in and said he's at the hospital with his wife in labor.. so let's hope that turns out great !
anyways, sonotubes... 12 of them for the deck & screened porch
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Mike, first your work looks great and if we ever move back east I'll have to look you up.
Second, I'm an attorney and I hate putzes (can I say that on T.V.) like these two who give our profession a bad name. Sounds like your home owners had the benefit of counsel of the good kind, though, if they've been able to fend off the Adverse-ities through all this.
I think adverse possession is the stupidest legal doctrine every made, it's like state-sanctioned robbery. I don't understand why it hasn't been abolished, and your home owners should call their state representative to get the word out!
well, i'd agree with that.... i mean what's the sense of title insurance, land Surveyors, registered deeds, plat maps..... subdivision regulations .. and on and on
it certainly seems like a great case of Grand Theft, Land...
hopefully we'll get the judge's decision shortly and finally put this to a conclusionMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"Judges decision shortly"..........
Geezzz your clients must have ulcers at this point!
What is the worst case scenario?Jake Gulick
[email protected]
CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
worst case ? i don't know, but i'd guess that the judge agreed they had proven adverse possession . in which case i could envision tearing down the garage, going back to the planning board, moving the driveway to the other end of the lot..
getting an easement for their water line... blah, blah blah... ridiculous to contemplate......Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"ridiculous to contemplate......"
Good, becuase that would be the height of insanity!
Glad to hear everyone s confident.Jake Gulick
[email protected]
CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
"I think adverse possession is the stupidest legal doctrine every made, it's like state-sanctioned robbery. "
I agree, and I wonder if you could give a little on the historical background - where did it come from? It just seems hard to fathom our government favoring squatters over landowners in the law, and I have to think that there was some case where a business was stealing land and adverse possession came into being that way.
There's some nice land in the mountains that I like, I think I'll go plant a garden there. Can I use adverse possession to seize National Forest land? :)
That depends on what you'll grow in your "garden." ;-)
A little "patch" out in the woods? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Adverse possession is like the real estate equivalent of a statute of limitations -- you know, you hit a guy's car and cause damage, he has 2 years (or 1, or 5, whatever) to file a lawsuit for the damages; after that his claims are barred. So the *theory* is that once someone's been trespassing on your land for a sufficient period of time, and in a sufficiently visible, active manner, you at some point are barred from bringing a claim. Sort of like, you had your chance for years to get rid of the squatters; if you didn't in all that time, then finally at some point you're stopped from doing so even if you want to.
Of course one of the problems is that with real estate you may not discover the trespass for some period of time. There's a case here in AZ where someone successfully adversely possessed a couple week's timeshare a year at a cabin in the mountains, because they'd been going there for sufficient time to meet the statutory period. But this is crazy; since it was a vacation house, how was the real owner ever to discover this temporary occupancy?
And no, you *can't* adversely possess land against the government. Convenient, huh?
There was a very good article in Tierra Grande, the quarterly publication of the Texas Real Estate Research Center, which just came out.
However, the article is not free online yet.
Describes a very interesting application for fencing.
Live the Good Life in the Permian Basin.
ic.. r u going to share ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey Mike, Wheres the pictures of the BI's.
LMC
lou, ok, i'll bite... what's a BI ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I was thinking building inspector.
You'll bite!!! O master of wisdom!!! (uh Building Inspector) Doesnt he come around!
Lmc
mike,
when I can get back to my copy I intend to summarize some of the points. When I started that post I thought I could get it online but I'll have to go back to the print version.
Thanks for all you have been doing keeping this thread updated. It's one of the best on BT!
Live the Good Life in the Permian Basin.
i've been jumping around trying to get the next big thing lined up.. while Roy & Chuck are finishing the interior trim
here's Roy's starting rail & volute
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and Chucks continuous rail up the inside
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i screwed up the center wall ht. so we had to add 3" to the top so we can put a cap on it without interfering with the rail
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Roy then moved on to the crown at the top of the kitchen cabinets
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and the finshed trim.... the range fan has a plywood backing for the Owner's copper hood a relative is making up
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Mike,
Do you finish the hand rail or th HO? This thread has been one of the best. DW sez wood screens only, no storm doors. Thanx for you input.What do you think of "Tu Tuf " for crawl spaces? Very pricy, But this is my / wifes house.(Next build. 13'8" x24' Master bath w/closets.)Thanx for the great thread.live, work, build, ...better with wood
the Owner will finish the rails... then i can take another pic
in crawls, i like 6 mil poly with about a CY of mason sand broadcast to help keep it in place.. we roll it up the walls and fasten it with ramsets and PT stripsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
What do you think of "Tu Tuf " for crawl spaces? Very pricy, But this is my / wifes house.(Next build. 13'8" x24' Master bath w/closets.)
stevent1, I'm not a professional so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I haven't been real impressed with the Tu Tuff. After reading a couple positive articles about it, I thought it was the way to go on the crawlspace I'm working on, but the product just hasn't impressed me.
It feels about like Christmas wrapping paper. As is pointed out, you can't tear it by hand...which suggests it is durable, but it seems to puncture without too much effort. Block corners, pad corners, misc debris in the crawl all seem quite capable of punching holes in it. I became sufficiently concerned about it that I put 6mil poly underneath of it (which added another $70 or so for a 20x100 roll).
And the 20x100' roll I bought turned out to be about 19'8"x198'. It appeared that to create the 20' roll, they had seamed together several 4' rolls and along the way lost a few inches to the overlap.
Adding to the cost, the Tu-Tuf tape (which you'll need to seal seams) runs about $40/roll. The end result was that the Tu-Tuf cost around 5 times as much as the poly and I'm seriously not confidant that it is worth the expense.
If for some reason I was going to use it again, I would make sure there are no sharp corners or objects in the crawl and possibly put down a layer of sand to cushion it for when people are crawling around down there. jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
John,I think I am going to go with what Mike recomended. I have a .25 Hilti and I keep the powder dry.Thanx,Chucklive, work, build, ...better with wood
If you're still curious about the Tu-Tuff, let me know. I can stick a little piece in an envelope and send it along and you can test it for yourself (email is [email protected]). Who knows, maybe I'm being too critical on them. I'm one of those people who isn't afraid to pay a little extra to get a better product, but I expect more bang for my buck when I do so.
My setup with the Tu-Tuff is similar to what Mike described. The difference is that I'm using galvanized 1-5/8" steel studs instead of PT. And I'm drilling/screwing it to the wall. Haven't done so yet, but I will go back and seal along the top edge with Vulcan.
There was a FHB article a year or two ago where they sealed a crawlspace or basement. I don't remember what they used, but it might be another option for you if you decide to upgrade the 6mil poly.
jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
got the interior trim under control so we went back outside to finish the gable end
Roy is cut man and Chuck is installing .... vinyl soffit up the rake
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and the last of the Hardie siding
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me... i'm digging post holes for the stairs out of the back of the garage
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today was Riverfest Day.. but nobody told me..
here's Roy & Chuck in their shirts
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and the gable end they finished..... hang the gutters tomorrow
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and i bolted the ledger on to the garage.. i really like these new Simpson bolts and the bosh makes quick work of the drilling
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Roy and Chuck like beer, don't they.Keep it coming, Mr. Smith. I've learned more reading this thread than I did my two years of architecture school.
"Let's go to Memphis in the meantime, baby" - John Hiatt.
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Mike, I've thouroughly enjoyed watching this build progress. You guys put out a great product. Reminds me of the houses my father and I built with one other man from start to finish. Wondering if you good give me a little more info on the new simpson bolt. Such as a name etc. I think I picked one up at the yard the other day. It has a helical type twist on the bolt, unlike a regular bolt. Bad explination, but i think you get the idea. Thanks again and great work!Brian O'Shaughnessy
brian... thanks for the pat on the back..
yes , this is a helical thread, so far we've used about 20 of them and none gave us any problems..
i would think the worst thing is not drilling deep enough so they might bottom out, other than that.. pretty foolproof which is a good thing for this fool
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this is what "rake & seed by Owner" means....
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and Chuck was water testing the pitch on the bay gutter
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while Roy adjusted the hangers
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me... i was still framing the garage stair landing
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and another view of those Simpson bolts
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Does everybody on your crew wear Breaktime shirts Mike? ;)Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
we all wear company shirts.. i get them from various places.. including all the Fests.. lumber dealers..... tool mfr's ..
etc
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Mike, did you say you used/liked Perform Guard EPS manufactured by:
http://www.r-control.com/
It sounds like the perfect thing for my crawlspace, but I'm having a heck of a time finding anyone to sell it to me around here. Do you have a lumberyard that carries it?
jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
I bought direct from their distributor in RI. Have you looked at the map here http://www.r-control.com/EPS/contact_us/default.asp for contact info of the nearest distibutor.Tom
Douglasville, GA
Last December I had another project that their EPS would have worked for. AT that time the rep said that they wouldn't sell directly to me and that I had to go through a lumberyard.
I just fired off another email to them.
jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
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That's interesting because I spoke with the georgia rep as well and he would sell directly to me also.Tom
Douglasville, GA
Does everybody on your crew wear Breaktime shirts Mike? ;)
I figure in another year or two Mike is going to come up with the idea of sponsoring the Fest t-shirts just so he can have his logo patch on them all from the get-go. ;)
jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
that logo patch ain't a bad idea. I'm considering changing the name of my carp biz - just don't think that folks will like to see "Fink" in the name of their contractor!! Looking for other ideas though...I must ponder on this one...Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
Yeah, no offense, but Fink is a hard name to play with and still come out positive ;)
Probably easier to just come up with a company name and have "Justin Fink Owner" on the business cards.
jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
No offense taken. I know what I'm up against!Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
john , i guess it depends on how your area R-Control franchise operates.. the one in RI ( Branch River Foam ) will sell to anyone.. you just have to call ahead so they can put up your orderMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
finished hanging the gutters on the screened porch.. and painted our way off the staging
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also finished the gutter on the bay window
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and the header box where the bay & the porch roof both use a common leader
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and the long view
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That's a spiffy gutter detail Mike - impressive as always.
Are you starting to feel that annoying tug towards the end of a project? The one that you have to fight against to keep from rushing things and cutting corners in anticipation of the next gig?Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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no... just a few details left in the puzzleMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy set the last corner post on the rear deck and started installing the 5/4 x 6 Merante'
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while Chuck was painting down the walk-out elevation
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and we loaded up some of our staging to get it off the job
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i made up a new jig for the cabinet hardware.. i wanted to use a Vix-bit since it's self-centering.. so i had some 1/4" lexan to lay out my drawer 3" centers and the stile knobs
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here's some of the demobilization
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Mike,did I miss the pictures of the manafold etc on the furnace?
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
i'll get one for you bob..
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tanks
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
Hi Mike
I too am curious to see pics on the heating system.
Also, about Mooney walls. I forget how did you attach the ripped down 2x horizontal pieces to the studs? Do you screw them or nail them? I'm considering doing this on the outside wall of my utility/boiler room. Concerned that if I hang shelves on them for anything heavy, nails might not hold?
I guess adding some screws won't hurt.
i forgot the boiler pics... but i'll get them for you
Chuck was finishing the painting... he also foamed behind the light fixtures
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meantime... we started installing the lattice around the deck/porch
first the 2x4 frame
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then cutting the lattice panels with our EZ-Guide.. sure makes child's play out of cutting lattice
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foamed behind the light fixtures ???
What space ?
when they install the light fixtures, some of the cellulose gets disturbedMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike.
BTW, I will use some screws so the shelves have no chance to pull away, but how did you attach the ripped down 2x horizontal pieces to the studs with your Mooney walls?
12d framing nails with a nail gun..Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
cut the last panels with the EZ-Guide..
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then Roy & Chuck trimmed them out with some more of the merante'
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and guess who showed up for the Grand Tour ?
Doug Recko
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so the gable end looks like this now
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Roy & i spent the morning demobilizing the job..... took a couple hours just to clean out the garage
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Jesus---I look like some just rammed a board up my azz, don't I????Seriously, it was nice to see Mr. Smith and his project.I think he needs to be out of there this week, so I know he'll be hoofing it this week..
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
doug... who's mr. smith ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I dunno....Just some home builder I met last Friday... :)
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
bob.. heres a couple pics of the boiler set-up.... 7 zones, 4 down, 2 up, 1 for the boiler-mate ( DHW )
zone valves
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and a Weil McClaine "boiler-mate"
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finished the leader pipes under the deck that carry the gutter water for the gable end
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and a pic of the mounting blocks for the electric service
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thanks
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
finishing some last details... like insulating the basement...
we foamed in dams at the band joists and blew all of the band joist areas with denspak
as you know, the walls were covered with 1" PerformGuard EPS before we poured the slab... so we have no thermal break at the slab
then we studded the walls with 2x4 ( PT shoe ) and stapled & glued our insulmesh
here's your's truly blowing denspak
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the insulated door at the bottom of the Bilco created a bumpout in the kneewall
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another view of the kneewall area..
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as you know, the walls were covered with 1" PerformGuard EPS before we poured the slab... so we have no thermal break at the slab
Did you mean to say that there IS a thermal break at the slab?
Man, that is the cleanest smoothest basement floor. That will be a warm cozy basement. I forget, is there any heating in the basement besides whatever heat there is from operating the boiler?
i meant no thermal bridge at the slab edge
that is a nice finish on the floor , ain't it ?
no heat other than the boiler in the corner... but he does have provisions for a wood stove Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Are you ever concerned about the cells being against the (potentially) moist basement walls?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
they are not against the wall.. the 1" EPS is against the wall, the stud wall is on the warm side of the EPSMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Is that fireblock foam you sprayed around there Mike? The Dow brand? I just ordered a bunch of that for my job, never used it before.
-and I love how clean that basement looks, those walls look plumb as a...well, plumb as something that's really plumb...Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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http://greatstuff.dow.com/greatstuff/pro/fireblock.htm
Is the stuff I've been using, but the last few months I've been having trouble finding it. I'm down to about two cans. I was buying it @ Home Depot's online site, but they only carry the window foam now. I'm living in a black hole of construction tech, so lumberyards just stare blankly at me when I ask about screw-on foam cans. I think Menards is picking it up, but as of last weekend, they didnt' have the regular foam in stock (just the window stuff).
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jt8
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
the where to buy button didn't help?
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the where to buy button didn't help?
I haven't tried it lately, but the last time I did, it listed the places which sold "great stuff foam", not specifically screw-on great stuff. So it listed just about everywhere. But when you visit them (Lowes for example), all they have is the straw-can Great Stuff (which is NOT hard to find, and is NOT fireblock foam).
Hmm... OK, just tried it again, and fewer hits listed, only one local:
products - Insta-Stik, Tile Bond, Froth-Pak, Roof Pak
Which I'm not sure if that includes the screw-on fireblock foam or not. I'll give 'em a call if Menards doesn't have it.
jt8
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
John,
I ordered some earlier this morning from this website: http://mclendons.com/item.asp?sku=11010730&from=search
I'm not sure what you were paying locally, but it sells for about $11 on that site. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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Keeping this thread alive as mentioned in another thread today. Call it a "Rez bump", in his honor.
Hey Mike, Happy Birthday....The unspoken word is capital. We can invest it or we can squander it. -Mark Twain...
justin... this is Touch'nSeal : Gun Foam II, fire retardent with an orange color so you can identify it from previous products
mfr: Convenience Products
"Type V residential fireblock penetration sealant. NOT A FIRESTOP "
we get it from our insulation supplier: Insul Mart , Seekonk , MAMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
OK - so what's the difference between firestop and fireblock? I can guess but does anyone have something a little more factual?
my guess is the hour rating of one vs . the other... and no, i don't know what either one isMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Hey! I hear that somewhere in all of these over 1800 messages there is a fine little what amounts to a 'tutorial' on working with Hardiplank. Instead of my spending a LOT of time going through mssg by mssg 10 at a time could someone let me know what number the Hardiplank related posts are? Or ... perhaps email me to let me know if your don't wanna post it here for any reason?
Thanks!
nb
hah, hah, hah... it's 10 - 11 months that we broke ground...
you figure out where the siding probably went on... think of the sequence ...
you don't really want me to do it for you , do you ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
Were still in suspense. What happened with the adverse neighbors? Have you posted final pics yet?
msa... the judge decided for the Owner... the Owner got clear title ( period )
no damages... no lawyers fees or court costs....
the adverse neighbors are still there.... but ...
still jerks
soon i'll post some more of the finish pics... promiseMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Great to hear that our system worked correctly for a change! Shame that it had to go through that to start with though.
Since he didn't have any incurred costs, will you be adding that little gable over the front door that it needs. The house looks great except for that one little gable (respecfully IMO).
Thanks for a great thread!!
he did have incurred costs.... my guess... he spent $100K defending his title
and yeah... i'd love to put a formal covered entry on thatMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Howdy Mike.
Glad the thread is still alive.
I was thinking that you may have mentioned early on that the dip shat was a attorney representing the case? is that correct?
It just seem wrong in my book. I was wondering if a little research would show a pattern by him. And if so perhaps change up and become the shark and see if the owners could bite his Azz.
Hi Mike-
Wasn't any of the expense covered by his title insurance company?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
good question....i'll ask him,but i bet there was none...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, playing 18 tomorrow. You wanna join us? 54 and sunny.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Charlotte forecast for tomorrow is 39 & 3" of rain... so
where do icatch up with you ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Riverby golf club. Rt 64, across the river on the way to Grand Rapids........the way we went to the canal boat. About 1:00?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Where is the course at? If I get done working early I'd like to get the last round of the year in.
I have a got a deck repair that if it's to big to finish today I'll start on it monday.
Shoot man, left early so I could get some semblance of a day in. We tee'd off about 12:20 between Waterville and Grand Rapids, OHIO. You definitely would be welcome as we succeeded in not hitting the temperature........for each nine. Great day, beautiful day.
Giving serious thought about playing Friday instead of work, same Sat seeing as how it's some kind of holiday weekend.
Ah, the beauty of being self employed and only having indoor work ahead.
Where in Mi are you anyway?
edit: I see, Battle Creek. No wonder your ears picked it up, Grand Rapids over there, not far away.
A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
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I saw Grand Rapids in your post and thought MI. About 35-40 minutes from here.
It was a great day for golf, I was repairing a deck someone had built last year. I was called in to do the finishing touches last year after the deck was built. One of my columns had dropped 3/4" that was the sign something was wrong.
Oh well some other time.
Mike,
I sent you an article about adverse conditions in Utah.
Didn't know if you got it so I'll show everybody.Having trouble attaching soooooo..http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/ventcover.aspLOVE THY NEIGHBORPete
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That has been in the tavern a couple of months ago.
Cool, a little faith in the court system is restored. Nothing like fighting for something you own.
Cant wait to see the finish shots.
hah, hah, hah...
you don't really want me to do it for you , do you ?
Well of COURSE I do!
Whaddaya think ... I'm too 'proud' for that?!!!
:]
Next time you have a "rain out" start at the beginning of "Adverse Conditions" and stay put until you are finished. ( Book mark it and come back ) This is one of the most informatative, start to finish, threads you will ever see. This is an e-book. Mike Smith is what Fine Homebuilding is all about. Cementicious siding is a minor player in this threadChuck S
.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Do a "binary search" of the thread.
Start around #900. If you see siding in the pictures, go half way back to around #450. No siding, go 1/2 forward to 675..... If #450 has siding then go back 1/2 way to #225. And so on.
This brings up that I wish there was a way to search within ONE THREAD.
iirc in advanced view you can make it show 20 posts at a time,
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starts at 67972.1057
regards
Markhttp://www.quittintime.com
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=67972.1052
hi , mark .... spent Thursday working at White's... the one you helped us frame.. Roy misses youMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
bump
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
john.. went over last week to go over some items with the Owner..
he had the binder asphalt put down... finish coat in the Spring
here's what it looks like now
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Happy Holidays to you and yours Mike and let me congratulate you on a splendid project in 06 and an even more splendid photo journey.
Thank you.
blue
"...if you just do what you think is best testing those limits... it's pretty easy to find exactly where the line is...."
From the best of TauntonU.
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Hey Mike
Anything more for you to do on this one?
Phil
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
no,but i stay in touch.... get some more pics in the springMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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went to see how the house was holding up....
here's a couple pics.... my favorite elevation is the south gable end.. here it is with some nice Morning Glorys
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and another one for jt8
Can you get it with the sun shinning on it? So that it is lit like the first pic.
[edit to add] Oh, and it looks good!
jt8
"Those who wish to sing always find a song." -- Swedish Proverb
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bump.....Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
especially for you , brownbag........
Beau came to visit this afternoon....... brought his friends...... Cindy
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and Molly
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wanted to know if you had any spare rabbits
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tate....i was just looking at some of those fabulous flash.pics you did in this series
and , for beagle lovers everywhere..... here's that pic of Beau from '06
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That was a great shot of Beau.
Hard to believe this thread is two years old! Where DOES the time go?! That last pic you posted a while back was too dark for a 'final' shot. If you happen back by there how about a better final shot?
jt8
ok....gotta go back to look at a heating circulator pumpMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
replaced the circulator...
the owner wants me to look into a floor squeak...
good excuse to see what's shakinMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
jim..... miss you manMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I just sent him an e-mail about how I was spreading rumours about him in the Tavern. Being kind didn't get him to come back, now let's try deceitful.
how's it go again ?
wisdom, guile and deceit will win out over youth and exuberance Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
LOL, you're not calling me old, are you?
Is Molly's real name Darth Molly ?Or maybe Molly Vader ?All the spare abbits are in the spare oom.
What a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power, to reason away
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Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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How much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood ?
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
Party pooper! Make him guess first!
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Sorry.=0(
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
It means, ¿Cuánta madera botarÃa una madera bota si una madera bota podrÃa botar madera?
also, Hvordan mye tre vil en trechuckchuck om en trechuck kan chucktre ?
So, if you had a pile of lumber and there was this rodent (that likes to chew on lumber) and you made a guess on the amount of lumber that said rodent could throw (assuming of course that said rodent was able to throw lumber) what would that amount of lumber be?
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Fire block- Short horizontal members sometimes nailed between studs, usually about halfway up a wall. See also 'Fire stop'.Fire stop- A solid, tight closure of a concealed space, placed to prevent the spread of fire and smoke through such a space. In a frame wall, this will usually consist of 2 by 4 cross blocking between studs. Work performed to slow the spread of fire and smoke in the walls and ceiling (behind the drywall). Includes stuffing wire holes in the top and bottom plates with insulation, and installing blocks of wood between the wall studs at the drop soffit line. This is integral to passing a Rough Frame inspection. See also 'Fire block'. from http://www.homebuildingmanual.com/Glossary.htm#FHfrom http://www.insurancetranslation.com/Glossary_Agent/construction.htm
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Hi Mike - great project and personally very educational for me. The past few days I went through it from beginning to end. My only regret is that I didn't find it a lot earlier; it would have influenced the choices I made in my own house. Some questions if you don't mind.. As a winter project I am faced with insulating my basement. What I was considering was spraying the band joist area with Corebond and then glue EPS foamboard of the required thickness to get to at least R-13 (per local building department requirement)then frame and sheetrock the perimeter. I am seriously considering the technique you used in this project. A couple of questions:1) You mention that you blocked and foamed the band joist area and then blew denspack cells. I can see a black material in a couple of the pictures. What did you use to block these sections and then when you blew the cells where is the relief so that you didn't pressurize each section. (I assume you made two holes in each section.)
2) Blocking and foaming each individual bay would seem to me to be more labor intensive vs direct foam spraying. Was this a consideration? I have a fairly large basement and this is a consideration for me.
3) When you framed around the perimeter are the studs tight against the back foam board to prevent cells from blowing behind the studs into the adjacent section or is this a non-issue? With this method do you tend to get more settling of the cells since the back side is a slippery surface (foam vs plywood in a normal Mooney wall blow)? 4) In the pictures I see that the basement ceiling is not insulated. Is this true and was this acceptable to the building inspector since the basement became effectively conditioned space (70+ degrees) there was no need to insulate it? If the basement ceiling was to be insulated my guess would be cells?Thanks for your indulgence!Bill
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bill gotta run right now , but i'll get back to answer your questionsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
bill..... the black is some old foam we had that had an asphalt tar paper surface
we use any scrap foam we have on hand
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we cut it very loose and gun foam it in place...it doesn't have to be airtite
each dam has one hole bored in it and the air leaks allow the cells to dens pak
2) it takes about 2 hours to make the foam dams.... maybe an hour to blow the cells
3) no... the studs are against the foam... but it is not material that they be tight.... there is no settling ... the cells are installed above their settled density
4 ) did you see the picture of the thermometer showing 72 deg ?
that was on a day when it was 20 deg ... the only heat in the basement is standby heat loss from the boiler... so the question of insulating the floor becomes moot
the basement is so well insulated that it becomes conditioned spaceMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike-Great series of posts... I read it all over the Holidays. I only wish the builder of my last house was 1/2 the builder you are. Such attention to detail and craftsmanship. One question I did have for you:Did you ever consider rotating the orientation of the Garage gable 90 degrees so that it contrasted with the house? Given there's a potential "bonus space" up there via the stairs, that would also provide the opportunity for windows overlooking the pond.Even with a knee wall... that 28 x 28 space could make a great "man room".... Big screen... pool table.. bar... maybe even one of those "keg-a-rators"....
thanks.... the roof orientation on the garage had something to do with the top of the stairs...
the design was compromised by the amount of money the owner was spending to clear his title... the original design was for a much larger projectMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Aha. That makes sense.Where are the stairs located in the garage? I don't recall seeing any photos of that.I feel for the owners... what a giant waste of their money fighting such a ridiculous claim.I would have like to have seen you do the "full monty" version with all that extra funds!p.s. Where should I sent the tuition fee for the master class in house building that thread was?
a couple more views of the kneewall area
the shelf over the 10" concrete wall...
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the electric service entrance & breaker panel
and the nice shelf the kneewall makes under the windows
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Mike, a few questions about the porch.Is the lattice PT?
Will the lattice get painted?
If so, when, and with what?Did you allow one or more of the lattice panels to be removable, to provide access to under the porch? If so, how did you do it? Did you have any trouble with the Meranti twisting after it got wet for the first time? What did you use for sealer?I am rebuilding a Victorian porch. Any answers or suggestions will be helpful and are appreciated.Alan Smith
the owner likes wood.... but the cedar lattice was $80 a sheet so this is "premium grade" PT... and the owner is going to let it weather & paint it
my choice would have been vinyl
some of the merante' will twist, but not much of it.. most is pretty stable.. the owner is going to seal it , probably with a Penofin product
again, my choice would have been Trex or another composite... but the owner likes wood and painting
one panel was installed with screws so we can get under the deck, which we have to do for the last connection of the gutter systemMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
another shot of that bolt.. this one bolted the right stringer to the wall
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and the stairs
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a long view of the landing area
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and the Forebay structure that handles all of the flow from the gutters ... into the catchbasin.... into the Forebay.... into the swamp.....into the pond
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Mike, are those bolts screwing into concrete?
blue
yes, jim... they screw right into the concrete.. Simpson makes them in various diameters & lengths
these are 1/2 x 6Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
We really need all the pics back in threads like this.